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hope he makes some runs to justify this and maybe take the odd wicket

In reply to Raggs

Here thinking the same thing. We always seem yo get it wrong.

In reply to natty_forever

with the steps he's made with his batting and being one of the senior members of that squad now, thought his omission from the playing 11 in this depleted squad was a wrong decision.

Shocking!

Maybe they have a one small-islander quota, and The Wall got the nod this time.

Justice for Alzarri!
Chop an change never works! Alzarri has earned his keep!

In reply to Raggs
Kyle Mayers was one of the top scorers in last PCL. What happened to your Permaul rationale?

In reply to Raggs

Madness!

PURE FACKERY or even Corwall over Alzari? Really?NTM, he will score more runs than both put together.

In reply to Logic

Warrican doing a decent job and if he goes on to make the difference then I do beg pardon

In reply to buds

Wasn't it in NZ that Alzari was showing up the batsmen?

I suspect we are playing for a draw but losing the toss has forked that plan.

This is exactly how CWI fcuked up the team and players career! They don’t have the patience to give a player who has put his heart and soul into representing the maroon, an extended run! No wonder Archer went to greener pastures and many of our top players opted for T20 leagues around the world! If you don’t show faith in the players, how will they show faith in you! Windies cricket will continue to slip further into the abyss!

In reply to StumpCam

You know Andy Roberts and Curley Ambrose will have something to say about this. And can you blame them?

In reply to Headley


This makes no cricket sense but this is WI cricket brain trust at its best. Pure mush for brains. Our most promising fast bowler sidelined for what?

making all those runs lower down the order with such class in nz and being a genuine strike bowler who is more than able to get vitals wickets replaced in a second 11 team by an player who hasn't done anything of true note to replace him ?
has to be a Bajan ting, I'm sorry but...

Mayers was likely to play ahead of Moseley and Bonner, so it was not just Mayers vs. Joseph. Once they decided on two spinners the choice was either to drop a fast bowler or to drop a batsman

In reply to Baje

Even Gabriel appears surplus to demand.

In reply to Raggs
So why not wait till game done before you got to beg pardon on Mayers also. You already down 2 strikes

In reply to Raggs

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Are you really? Probably the best fastbowler in the last test in NZ was Chemar Holder and yet he didnt even make the test squad. Yet it must be a bajan thing that Alzarri not playing.

In reply to Yadi

Yadi, if you were being honest you would point out to Raggs that pre-game you had posted that you would only pick two pacers and that any other seam bowling should come from Mayers. You would also tell him that you have no special affinity for Bajans

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Tino and Jerome made runs down the order too, Joseph has not progress consistently to be the test bowler at this time.

In reply to Raggs

Do not know much about Mayers but figured if he was picked ahead of Joseph it was because of his batting.
His bowling is pedestrian medium pace at best

Guys, Bangladesh went into the game with one pacer and four spinners.
Just ask your self why.
As I watched Kemar shaking his head after every delivery with the second NewBall, that said plenty.

Joseph omission was a surprise, because apart from his bowling in his last Test in NZ and the last ODI's, he showed that he is useful as a batsman.

Guys? Wha you expect? These are WI selectors. Nothing has changed in the way they think. It’s been this way from the last century. No pun intended.

I would've preferred Permaul instead of Mayers.

Strengthen bowling and try to get Bangla out cheaply

In reply to LBW375
The modern game have change, A finger spinner now has move the ball both ways, without pelting.

i think that most of us on this board had wanted 5 frontline bowlers on the basis that we need to bowl Bangla out twice in every match. It is disappointing that coach and captain went for 4 bowlers and an unknown allrounder, especially on a pitch that is reputed to be a batting pitch. Having said that, congrats to KM for his test debut and I wish him well.

After watching the first day I was more disappointed in Gabriel’s performance and wishing the more in form and acclimatized Joseph was there instead.

With such an inexperienced batting line up of Bonner Moseley and DaSilva any tour selectors would have been pressured to include Mayers to lengthen the suspect batting.

I can understand the passion about Joseph not been selected but the host team selected one (1) fast bowler. Yet, you guys want WI to select three on a wicket that supports spin from day one.

Coach Gibson believes the Bang spin is enough to rout the WI.

The openers especially Brathwaite’s imput will be vital.

In reply to analyst-kid

I was impressed with Gabriel last night, he showed senior leadership.
I have an opinion on a captain role in cricket, but Gabriel last night was involve, he assisted Kraigg, Mayers, Roach, Warrican and Cornwall, that kind of senior leadership is what needed when fielding.
If you watched Kemar Roach last two overs with the newball, you will see how disappointed, frustrated he was with the wicket.

In reply to embsallie

You figured correct. I don't think he bowled a single over in the PCL last year. More a white ball bowler

The hosts also have 4 spinners in their side. Mayers selection is baffling. Is mosely picked fr batting too?

In reply to jacksparrow

You people on this board are a bunch of insular, hypocritical asses.

At the start of the tour i did not see anybody posting about playing 3 spinners at expense of a batsman. It was all about Warrican had no right being in squad...another biased Bajan pick. Now that Warrican been shown to be most effective bowler so far on tour, the new line of attack is against Mayers.

Clowns

In reply to LBW375
Mayers scored 654 runs with an average above 50 in the last first class season, so he was always going to play as a batsman in this depleted squad.
Joseph was competing against one spinner or two spinner philosophy

In reply to Baje

Mayers was always gonna play, is Mosely eat Joseph food tbh.

He was the one question mark, poor on tour so far if you ask me

In reply to Logic
Nothing against Warrican, more about the logic behind the selections. Permaul, as the leading regional spinner was discarded in favor of him(and Cornwall), most effective u say, fair enough.
A Test match away, when most of your first choice players are not present, u decide to go with 2 pacers and 2 spinners. Another bowler?- no, not one of the first choice pacers on tour, who by chance also batted well in a couple recent Test matches, and not the spinner who nobody thinks can get a wicket, but still embarrasses them back home. No, just logically hand a bits and pieces allrounder, who by the way was bowling first change, and hope he does something, somehow, somewhere.
I follow Mayers and glad for him, but where is the logic, oh,I forgot, you are on the message board here.

In reply to Logic


keep em honest, Logic

In reply to Logic

I have for Shai Hope & Sobers.

In reply to Veracity

No, saying if you going with Mayers why not Joseph.

In reply to Logic

Bajan logic: Mayers FC record matters, but Permaul’s doesn’t!

BTW, Bajans apparently have forgotten that Mayers has played 3 ODIs for WI and averaged only 17.

In reply to StumpCam

So who is the Bajan who said or even implied that.

I saw a lot of peeps posting that Permaul should play before Warrican because of his first class record and then switch midway through first day of test match to Joseph before Mayers because Mayers was ineffective as bowler. Bajans point out to them that Mayers was in squad or practice squad of his PCL batting. He did not even bowl in PCL. Now that the wicket has be shown to have negated the impact of our established fastbowlers we switch from Mayers keeping Joseph out to Mayers keeping Permaul out. Moseley just failed for 2 runs so no doubt some will switch their Bajan ire to him, but eventually they will get to Roach keeping Hodge out.

In reply to StumpCam

For the record I wrote a long post a few days ago at the start of the warm up match supporting Permaul over Warrican based on what I saw in last PCL and changes in both their actions that would have explained why Permaul was more effective than Warrican in the last PCL. But that was the PCL a year ago and even in this test I have seen than Warrican action has reverted to an action something closer to what he had when he was outperforming Permaul several years ago.

Cant comment on Permaul currently cause I have not seen him bowl. Only thing I can go on is that Warrican appeared to be best spinner on show in the warm up and the best bowler on show in the test.

It has got so ridiculous that some peeps blamed Permaul's lack of success in the warm up game first for Brathwaite bowling him in 2nd innings and Warrican in first (as if spinners thrive better on a first day surface). And when Cornwall bowled without success in the 2nd innings of that match, they blamed Brath for bowling Cornwall too many overs in the first . "He should have given some of those overs to Permaul".

In reply to Logic

I’m not concerned who plays between Warrican or Permaul!

My gripe is not with Mayers playing instead of Joseph! I’m more disappointed in the selectors dropping a promising and dedicated cricketer in Joseph who has shown he is willing to apply himself and learn his craft at the highest level of competition. West Indies is not at a stage where they are world beaters, they should be focused on team building with the proper building blocks! Joseph doesn’t deserve to be stone the builder cast away!

In reply to openning

Because we caan bat spin. Yet are we 2 down to spin?

Malcolm Marshal(Aljo) would have taken wickets on this.

In reply to StumpCam

I too share these sentiments.

There is a second test. I say everyone on the squad should get a play in the series so we should be considering who will come out for Permaul, Joseph, Reifer, Hodge to come in.

In reply to VoopsandOut

Those who fail in this one.

In reply to Raggs

How do you like Kyle Mayers now?

In reply to Yadi

Shud bat at 3 and play another bowler.

LOL

In reply to natty_forever

Or #4, must bat Moseley early because

he is an opener.

I saw that edge from way a Yaad. Kmt.

In reply to Yadi

I not playing Moseley.

In reply to Raggs

Apologies expected.

Alzhari should play (as in now and in the future) and it should be for Roach despite the latter having had a few good years especially bowling at home. WI always wait too late to see the changing tide. Roach can still play a role as situation and conditions merit as well as developing the many other young pacers who are being held back.

As for the team balance in this series, with Joseph in, either Permaul or Reifer could then play for one of the batters which should be Moseley who long term should be looking to replace one or both of Kraig or John.

In reply to Yadi

for what?

In reply to mkcharles

how old is KB and Campbell.

In reply to mkcharles
I share your views about Roach, his bowling has no bite these days.

In reply to Yadi

We glad for the man. I think that BC Lara only made 44 or so on debut against Pakistan. He is in good company.

Refreshing to see the middle order do something and a real pity that Bonner did not settle back in. Really disappointing from the lower order but in all I would say that in all, this is only about 40 runs below par for this batting line up so we always would have been more than 100 behind on first innings.

In reply to VoopsandOut

Then bowl them out for 114 and win the match.

All ya stop this nonsense. Alzarri Joseph is mediocre Test cricketer with an Average of 11.00 batting an 38.00 bowling, and posters here calling for him like he is the second coming of Mike Holding. At his current rate he will take 50 matches to take 100 wickets. Joel Garner took 250 wickets in 50 matches. Rabada one year older has 200 wickets in 44 matches, joseph will need 100 matches. Joseph is exactly what his record says nothing more.

In reply to tc1

I was simply saying those are the guys he has to be pushing...especially in a line up that is not producing you keep you place based on performance. Any two will do or any other who will produce.

In reply to openning

if you were a bowler who hit 140K+, and is now reduce to a medium pacer, you would be a bit bowler to some people.

In reply to mkcharles

clarification accepted.

In reply to Raggs

You owe Kyle Mayers an apology for naming

him and not Shane Moseley.

In reply to Yadi

if Kyle Mayers is the difference between a draw or a win then an apology will be forthcoming, how that sounds to you?

In reply to tc1
I watched an injured Tino Best, reduce his speed, and took 6 wickets in this match.
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There is no anger in Kemar bowling these days, bouncers are never bowl, and I dont know how much cricket work he is doing when he is in Barbados.
Is he still playing for Maple?
I see Tino playing for Pickwick and Fidel for YMPC, but I hear nothing of Kemar.

In reply to Raggs

Ok.

In reply to openning

That series in the past showed

The Bangladesh bowling posed no threat to Chanderpaul Samuels Kieron Pollard Darren Bravo and Dinesh Ramdin.

WI beat Bang with THREE pacers...Express pace in Best and Fidel with Sammy the medium pace seamer.

The spinners Permaul and Narine were not as effective.

WI in my opinion should have gone for Joseph as it’s third seamer....you are not beating Bang with two spinners one express pacer and and a subdued/jaded Roach and not utilizing Mayer’s at all.

In reply to analyst-kid

I think Permaul got quite a few wickets in that series...

In reply to dclar301

Keep them honest. In the words of Bill Parcells, "You are what your record says you are".

In reply to analyst-kid

as it go you're my favourite cricket analyst on this mb. I see Mayers can bat now, without doubts but as I said he played as an allrounder over Alzarri and Reifer and bowled just a few.
Does that make sense? No
If it's a spinning track as the selectors might think then play all three spinners or else find a spot for Joseph as a a strike bowler.

In reply to Raggs

Bangladesh went with four spinners and a fast medium pacer.

But Bangladesh has spinners who can bat! We were sorely missing Chase who could have claimed Moseley or Bonner’s spot...we can say Moseley now in hindsight.

I always felt a Chemar Holder, a Oschane Thomas or Keon Harding should have been on the squad after we had evidence of Tino Best’s past success against Bangladesh. Alzarri was fully climatized after the ODI series and his recent batting form was a plus, Reifer also showed he could take wickets and put up resistance with the bat. Both Permaul and Warrican had similar stats and had similar success in Bang before.

In the end the selectors went with the unproven route with packing unknown specialist batsmen and including Mayers as the all rounder.

But Mayers was hardly bowled!

Which meant that one of the two specialist batsmen Moseley/ Bonner should have been sacrificed for first choice Permaul who could bat a bit, second choice Joseph whose batting was improving or third choice Reifer who could bat.

My analysis was if they had gone for Permaul/ Reifer or Permaul/ Joseph instead of Moseley/Bonner Bangladesh wouldn’t have made no 430 and WI reply would have been stronger....as I said I was suspicious of these frontline bats

Let’s now hope Bonner prove me wrong and executes a big score!

Mayers is a good soldier, will try his best. The heading might be misleading because this is not really about Mayers its about the selection of the team, why drop Joseph or even Permaul.

In reply to Raggs

Mayers should be here to stay even when everybody is available. He can bat! He should be in the team for Moseley, not for Joseph.

The only silver lining I can find is a thought that crossed my mind on Wed, which is the manager and cappo decided to give Mosley, Bonner and Mayers the opportunity to see how the 3 of them stack up as batsmen.

It also had the benefit for the coach of stacking the batting and maybe saving the coach's job.

If Bonner can bat a long time tomorrow, you can bet the coach will be very grateful.

BUMP,........

This will go as the “greatest thread” since 1995.

In reply to Raggs

In reply to Casper

Damn. I'll eat those words forevermore and happy to do so. If he read that headline and took it upon himself to shut this skunt up I'm more than pleased to play my stupid part.
Once again Sir Mayers i do apologize.

I eating nuff crow..Great batting Mayers.

In reply to Raggs

You....always putting yuh foot in yuh fucking mout.....yuh ent learn nain?....

Epic, was wrong on this one, but congratz everyone,

In reply to Raggs

Never mind the sour one bredz. Dem neva apologise yet in dem life fi dem own indiscretions. Yu better dan dem!

. 210 not out leading Windies to victory and breaking a record as a debutant. And that's why kyle Mayers over Alzari. Seriously!!!!!!!!

In reply to cherri

ah tek mi licks sweet deh...backside up, heavy belt pon it

In reply to Raggs

Like ah seh, yu good breds. Yu nuh run and hide like dem who have mout.

In reply to JahJah

big man me...

In reply to Raggs

Yes Raggs ,we all get it wrong at times.

In reply to Raggs

Nothing to worry about Raggs!
Everybody else predicted Mayers will score a double century and lead WI to victory!

In reply to Raggs

Big man you are.

This is how I wish they would. Respond to all criticisms.
And likewise.
We be gracious when we get it wrong.

In reply to StumpCam

But nobody was as stupid and full of hate

In reply to Raggs

You have left so many morsels of self induceD Crow posts in this thread that this board will be having fun with you for sometime.

Thanks for the future entertainment

Where is my serving ?

In reply to powen001

yea..it's good archive

Mayers was always gonna play. He didn't play as a bowler. He played as a batsman hence why he batted at number 5. Still think we are playing a bowler short and Moseley needed not have been included.

Great knock by Mayers!! He reminds me a little bit of Chris Gayle in terms of his approach at the crease. Technique not pretty and crisp but when he blocks he blocks and when he hits he hits. He also has a backfoot punch through the covers that is very Gayle like.

In reply to natty_forever


First page alone you are a good supporting actor for Crow stew. Lololol

In reply to natty_forever

the plate big..tek some

In reply to Raggs

Monimul wanted to cry as appeared in shock as he spoke just now.

In reply to cherri

Harsh

In reply to powen001

it's one of the greatest moments in our cricketing history. we could find our way out of the woods on that performance alone. it could be rememberered as the day when West Indies test cricket life woke up from the dead.Tears are more than justified.

Damn!West- Indies has torn this thread into Raggs

Admin please specially archive this thread! Give it the sticky thread treatment. It's legendary and should be remembered as one of the threads of of threads. Legendary stuff. Thank you Raggs!

In reply to Real-cricket

glad to have helped.

In reply to JahJah

Yuh right. Men does tell yuh bout yuh mudda and find it hard hard to hapologize.

Wuh Loss Mi Belly

In reply to Raggs

I'm just enjoying reading some of the posts!

In reply to Yadi


Crow time crow time, get your crow. 3 for $10. or 7 for $20. Crow time crow time get yuh crow, eat yuh crow.

Once in a while West Indies get these fluke victories.

Buck up!

In reply to Raggs

I repspect you in trute!! it takes a big man to apologise and even have a laugh at your own self..shows your ego ain't too big and ya heart in de right place..many would be shifting their argument in a desparate attempt to still come out smelling like a rose..

In reply to nitro

that's nit the point..you just as lost at cricket as you are with politics eh?

This post is one for the archives! A crow and Cou Cou Special fuh sure!

WI selectors and administrator have no eye for talent at all. I will keep saying that. Barbados cricket allowed name brand cricketers to blind them to talented players not getting exposure or developed. Justin Greaves is another bat that needs a lot of innings batting to contunue to develop.Batting is mostly about being confident in your talent. Our guys are lost before they start.

In reply to Raggs

Much respect for your sincere Mea culpa
A clean heart you have.

In reply to Raggs

Well he did......

In reply to Raggs

You did not start a bad post and there is nothing to feel ashamed about. You made an informed post with the information available at that time.

In reply to B16JP587S

yea I know but it will be seen as classic big goat mouth chat. that's how this board rolls..

In reply to B16JP587S

Bullshit. Raggs has a HISTORY of saying some really crazy shite...and then try to mek it sound like he did not say it or he was joking.

Man fi own it!

In reply to HumbleCalf

This is the HC I know