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Nial Smith is good to go.

If only we had Ottis Gibson to add the finishing touches. I see a bit of Jimmy Anderson in him.

In reply to Courtesy

This Joseph fella has a more repeatable action.

He also has a great jump in his action.

Good upper body strength.

He's running in with a purpose.

He will definitely get faster.

I like both but Joseph looks like the real talent.

I hope Guyana can develop both of these young men.

In reply to Gun_Play

Quite frankly, I see nothing to write home about Joseph. He is too front on and unless he develops plenty of pace he is not going to trouble good batsmen.

Nial Smith on the other hand gets into a bowling position (very side on) where he can potentially get the ball to move both ways depending on when he releases during that 90 degrees and beyond arc of the shoulder. He is fairly accurate, excellent wrist position, brings the ball up and if he gets any lateral movement he will trouble batsmen.

In reply to Courtesy

Okay.
We shall agree to disagree.

Being slightly front on isn't a problem.
He's hitting the deck hard, not trying to swing it.

I'm going with Joseph. We shall see.

I also like the look of a medium pacer from the Leewards. I don't recall his name.

In reply to Gun_Play

Joseph has been around for quite a while, he is usually accurate, but he need to add something extra to become a strife bowler.

In reply to Gun_Play

Yep...let's agree to disagree.

In reply to dayne

How old is Joseph?

In reply to Courtesy

If Jamaican Smith had a jump in his delivery like Joseph he would be a lot more menacing.

Also, the guy Shepherd.

In reply to Gun_Play

So do you give a significant weighting to a bowler who in your words "jump in his delivery?"

How about bowlers who just run thru the crease? Does that limit their effectiveness?

In reply to Courtesy

good spot. i noticed him but wanted to see a bit more. plus i kinda dont like shortish fast bowlers

i think Ewart labelled him as you did

In reply to sudden

Yep. The potential is here. My only apprehension is the mentoring to the next level. Ottis would turn this guy into a world class bowler.

I have not been watching until recently and hadn't seen Ewart's endorsement of Smith.

In reply to Courtesy

Depends on what your trying to do with the ball.

If you're trying to swing it, not so much.

On these dead pitches that are hardly offering anything to the bowler you need to hit the seam.

A skilled bowler who jumps and hits the seam on a up and down pitch is very effective.

I am disappointed I haven't seen any of our bowlers trying to bowl cutters in either direction.

That skill seems to have gone out the window.

Walsh was a master of that. We should look into getting him teach guys how.

In reply to Gun_Play

Why the emphasis on "jump"?

Have you seen the late Malcolm Marshall bowl? He would easily disprove your observation.

In reply to Courtesy

The jump is significant in getting variable bounce.

Malcolm was side on trying to seam and swing it.

He had immaculate seam position as well and he used his wrist.

None of these guys do that.

Joseph's run up is too flat footed. He will have injury problems

In reply to Gun_Play

Do you think "variable bounce" would occur that frequently on today's test or LO wickets?

In reply to Maispwi

Flat-footed?

Explain?

In reply to sudden

You don't like bowlers of Marshall, Roach or Powen stature.

In reply to Courtesy

Of course.

Day four and five.

A tall bowler like Jason Holder would almost be unplayable.

In reply to Gun_Play

So would you pick a front line pace bowler to bowl on day four and five of a test match?

I remind you that most current day test matches hardly go into day 5.

And there was plenty variable bounce in the last India/England test match and pace bowlers could barely take a wicket.

In reply to Courtesy

Who else would bowl if not a front line bowler? Unless you're trying to lose the game 😆

That Test match went to Day 4, I think.

Curtly ambrose would have bowled out both those teams easily. Lol

It's not only the jump. You need the skill to cut the ball of its not seaming.

In reply to Gun_Play

Do you think that Curtly Ambrose and Malcolm Marshall depended on a "jump" to take wickets or exploit a pitch with variable bounce?

every so often you will get the exceptional shortish fast bowler but more often than not a fast bowler ought to be at least 6ft

In reply to sudden

And the taller the pace bowler the more likely he will be able to exploit variable bounce if he/she is accurate enough whether or not he "jumps".

Can anyone say how fast is Smith .
I never seen him bowl, but from I have heard he is a medium pacer .

In reply to Courtesy

They depended on skills.

Those guys were proper bowlers.

Not just guys running up and letting the ball go.

They seamed it. If it wasn't seaming they could cut it.

The jump in a bowlers delivery stride is just another method used to create variation in bounce.

In reply to Gun_Play

Actually bowlers who jump attempt to use the braced front leg as a pivot to increase the momentum of the ball. The body weight is swung thru that fulcrum created by the braced front leg.. The jump gives you more room to extend and brace that front leg.

The key is the jump and the use that braced front leg. It has lil' to do with exploiting variable bounce.

In reply to Courtesy

We're basically saying the same thing.

Straight leg, full use of the bowlers height to pivot and come over the top at maximum height in his action.

I get the attempting to straighten the leg part but jumping in delivery was used to encouraged more variable bounce.

I guess you could say from the bowler completing his action at maximum height.

In reply to Gun_Play

You gave far too much weighting to "jumping" to exploit variable bounce. Profiting from variable bounce is only a spin off and it requires other significant bowling skills. It is not the reason why pace bowlers "jump" to deliver. Any consistent bowler can make use of variable bounce.

Again, let's agree to disagree.

In reply to Courtesy

Okay, agreed.

Good talk, catch you later.

In reply to Gun_Play

Yep...good clean discourse.

In reply to Gun_Play

Joseph is 29 years old, he played for the WI A team a while back, but with so many younger pacers on the scene now his prospect of going further is not that great.

In reply to Massy

They don't seem to have speed guns in this tournament but from what I've seen with the naked eye, Smith is definitely quicker than medium pace.

In reply to Fivestar


Smith is the real McCoy! Where is Spudz when we need him?

Smith definitely flashes ability, I believe his father is/was the Guyana coach?

In reply to Courtesy

Was about to say the same thing.....too slow. Batsmen now feed on his type for breakfast

In reply to Curtis

Yeah, Albert Smith

In reply to Jumpstart

Didn't Smith rattle Bravo with some short pitched deliveries?

In reply to sudden

I did. I like his accuracy. I have not checked his stats but he is consistent in line and length. And that is a big plus over many of our quicks.


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