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captain it, was he ever really such a good leader? Or it's ego at play?

In reply to Raggs

...because he is D Boss?

In reply to Halliwell

so it's ego then....cheers

In reply to Raggs

Could it be that the players/sponsors nominate him to be Captain.

Its a magical draw to get an audience. You started a thread about Lara.

In reply to sgtdjones ok so he is the crowd puller so give him the captaincy to complete the glamour...ok

In reply to Raggs

don't pretend you don't know all your Jamaican friends, media, businesses will want Lara as Captain and leader to draw a crowd in Jamaica

In reply to problemjay

If Lawrence Rowe and Brian Lara in the same curry goat cricket match in Jamaica ya know who will be ordering who around.

In reply to Raggs

Who would you replace Lara with as captain in that team?

In reply to Jabari18

Simple:
Anybody except Lara

In reply to Raggs

Honestly, while the results might suggest otherwise, Lara's reading of the game is second to none. He was a genius amidst club standard cricketers (save a few) in almost every team he played in or captained, and a captain is as good as is team.

Had Hooper performed to levels he sporadically attained in his career, Adams and sarwan been more consistent, and Ron King, Dillon and rose performed to their potential, the results would have been very different.

Lara will captain every team, because he is the best, and on secondary consideration, sponsors, etc would want that too. At this stage of his retirement, Lara probably won't even touch these games, if he was just a player. It's not that he needs the money or fame.

He continues to be a major drawing card, his sponsorships and endorsements are secured, and he is simply turning up for the beer. Of course he wants to win, but look at some of the players in the team. Honestly sarwan should have played the legends tournament too, as should have chanderpaul

Raggs has issues with trinis period

Ganga, Bravo, Lara, “Trini bully”

His issue. Nobody can help him with that. Not that he wants help in that regard anyway.

In reply to Raggs
You ever get bulled?

In reply to Raggs

You will be the goat

In reply to imusic

Archer must be a Tit now

I suppose Darren Sammy qualifies to be windies legend, won 2 t20 World Cups so Mr Lara will captain he too?

In reply to imusic

so t'day I big up Josh DeSilva and complain about Chris Gayle coming back and I got Trini issues and insular blinkers on.
For a big man you do talk up good manure fi plants.

In reply to Raggs

Darren Sammy will happily let Lara captain him. Have you seen him speak to Lara? I have, and there's a lot of respect and admiration when he addressed the Prince. Even on Social Media, you can see Sammy call Brian 'captain' on some of his posts!

...and not to mention, Lara's outstanding record as cappo speaks for itself.

In reply to Curtis

that wha' mi ah seh

In reply to Raggs

Your hatred has no boundaries.

You take one of our heroes and try to make him look bad bad after he retired and is no longer part of the set up.

You are arse hole

In reply to Emir

who said I hated Lara? In fact as a Windies fan, Lara has given me the greatest soul stirring moments. But that's what wrong with us, we can't or not allowed to state the obvious. As a skipper Lara was dreadful and a lot of you know this.

In reply to Raggs

Lying about Pollard is stating the obvious?

In reply to Raggs

Anyone can see through you, using concrete shades.

Get over it. Gone with the wind.


Long live Mr Brian Charles Lara.

In reply to brians_da_best

Well said.

In reply to Raggs

We don't need "fans" like you.

If you cannot see why your post is hate based then you need more help then we can give you here.

As soon as I saw this tread ,I knew it would immediately degenerate into a pissing match between those who think that Lara as GOD could do no wrong and those who think that Lara could do no right.It would be T&T vs the Rest of the WI.I did not expect any light to be found but much heat.As a very young cricketer,Lara was extremely confident and vocal about it.He made his first class debut at 18 for T&T under the captaincy of Larry Gomes in 1988.The next year he played under the captaincy of Phil Simmons and then in 1990 at the age of 20 years,Brian Lara was made captain of T&T despite the presence of experienced test players like Phil Simmons and Gus Logie.In the 4 matches Lara captained T&T, T&T were defeated in all of them.In 1991 Gus Logie was made captain of Trinidad and Tobago.Those are the facts.Interpret them how you wish.

In reply to Dukes

is something wrong with that? Viv wasn't confident? steupps. Viv was confident to the point of being intimidating, arrogant and owned way.....rubbish....he just had a great team with a track record of winning. Put viv as captain after 75/76 and the WI would have fractured long ago

In reply to Jumpstart

is something wrong with that? NO


How did Viv get into this?

Did anyone on this tread mention Viv as captain?

Nothing I have stated can be challenged and YOU KNOW THAT

Dragging Viv into this discussion is an OBFUSCATORY TACTIC.

Can you be HONEST FOR A CHANGE??

In reply to Raggs

Who should have captained?

so up to now Raggs cannot tell us who should have been cpatin of that team if not Lara.

Man just want to come in here as usual and voice his contempt of Trinis.

Raggs we asking you again who if not Lara should have been Captain of that WI legends team? Give we ah answer nah man

In reply to Dukes

Don't you think that Sobers and fatman Hetty are Gods?

In reply to Dukes

You said Gods, not Devils

In reply to Barry

In reply to Barry

God or Devil?

In reply to Dukes

was in a winning side. when he failed, there was always lloyd, dujon and gomes to back him up.........who did the prince of pos and chanderpaul have pray tell......the fact that brian charles lara is only 27 points behind viv in the weakest ever era of WI cricket in the post war era just makes brian charles look even better

In reply to Jumpstart

Why R U obsessed with Viv vs Brian? How does it impact you one way or another?

It seems as though, your very existence depends on whether everyone else agrees that Brian is the greatest ever.
That endeavor is doomed to fail so quit while you are well behind or else you will end up even further behind.

In reply to Dukes

just like how you are obsessed with sobers, proclaiming that you wanted to hit your head on a concrete block for not getting his autograph?

In reply to Jumpstart

INDEED!!!!!!!

In reply to Dukes
not me have the probs breds......its viv with his "green verbs" self who made himself obsessed with lara. Two years ago, he went to a book festival in india and said lara felt because he was from a bigger island, that he could take liberties with viv......take liberties with the captain of the best side in the world........absurd

In reply to Jabari18

FOR REAL FUN,

I nominate Tino LeBertrand Best!!


beamers,swiping, taking unnecessary run attempts, crossing when its the complete opposite sensible thing to do.


the viewership will be through the roof just to see what TINO does next.

A windows company will be a sponsor

In reply to Dukes

Well let me take a jab at your post referring to Those FOR and Against Lara.


Lara the cricketer... Simply brilliant the very spark that reignited my love for West Indies Cricket.

Lara as Captain. less so enthusiastic as Laras biggest fault is that because he could execute without blinking an eye....he tended to expect this of all of his charges...and that was clearly frustrating for him.

The Real Question- Could the present Day Lara be expected to be a part of any Celebrity team without being named Captain?

Never played a T20 international game for the windies and captaining teams in that format? Dwayne Smith more qualified to lead that team.

In reply to Raggs

Lara simply would refuse to play if he was not captain.

In reply to Dukes

REALLY? Lara played under adams, hooper and chanderpaul. Adams left and tiger realized the captaincy had dried up his run making ability. And hooper after the 2003 CWC was on the verge of not only losing the cappo position but also being dropped.....rubbish

In reply to Raggs

Smith captained Barbados or an international team?

In reply to powen001

That is every genius' problem when they are appointed captain. Was ponting's prblem(he had a great team) and was viv's problem(he also had a great team). And i don't think it is that simple. Look at Chris Gayle, the test batsman. Gayle rarely performed in matches that could decide a series. His numbers are inflated by hundreds in matches where the series is already lost and his place is in jeopardy. Look how many times ronnie had to come in at 12-1, 3-1 etc. West indies had a bad team during most of lara's era. You can't win matches consistently when your attack consists of dave bernard jr, cameron cuffy,adam sanford etc

In reply to Dukes

Who was better as captain ( irregardless of results) ? Lara or Sobers?

How about some lateral thinking. Maybe we could have a better T20 legend team if the experienced ex players in that format didn't have to accept the Lara selection would mean automatic captaincy for the little master.

In reply to Jumpstart

You could push that narrative to those on this board who do not know what took place back in 2003 after the World Cup.

However rather than stir up a hornet's nest which will serve no useful purpose I will not go into the details of what took place after the CWC in 2003.

In reply to Khaga

Garry Sobers was an attacking captain.He was also a Gambler and risk taker.

As an example of his attitude he refused to put someone on the point boundary despite Doug Walters cutting repeatedly for 4.He said they should not be bowling short outside off stump to Walters.

Another attitudinal aspect can be gleaned from the fact that in the first test vs India in 1971,the first day was rained out.The match therefore became a 4 day match and the follow on instead of 200 runs became 150 runs. Sobers had no idea about that.Of course the Indians knew that so that while the West Indies were under the impression that they need 188 runs to avoid the follow on, they in fact needed 238 runs.

Of course in 1968 in Trinidad,Garry was bored so he declared and ended up losing the match and despite his heroics at Bourda lost the series.
Garry needed a vice-captain strong enough to point out these things but the problem was they were all in awe of him and did not have the confidence to tell him these things.He also did not know how to drop his friends like Wes and Charlie.

I will let Jumpstart regale you with stories about how great a captain, Lara was.

In reply to Dukes

Thanks. I am sure Jumpstart is itching to jump eenn..even Barry

In reply to Dukes

gary had a good team when he inherited the captaincy


Look at sober's team for the 1965 Frank Worrall Trophy
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Waiit until the legends save kanhai left.....sobers lost to india in 70-71(at home) and drew with NZ a year later, the weakest team at the time

Prof Clem Seecharan once said in the Empire of Cricket episode about the WI that once the core of the #1 side of the 60s left, sobers' weaknesses as captain became very transparent

In reply to Jumpstart

OK now we all know about Sobers captaincy, tell us about Lara.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In reply to Khaga
Why you don't go and shit in a bombay street, brother
Like Dukes use to do in Guyana

In reply to Jumpstart

Take liberties with Viv? What an unpleasant thought . . . Like playing with SHIT right, Dukes?

In reply to Dukes

thanks for trying to pull the discussion in a nonbias direction!

In reply to camos
if it is a word, it will be unbiased

In reply to Raggs
Jamaica does have a history of serving up arrogant bad man in Tests,I suspect dat is how tings go with the Yardies.Order dem bumbo around,ent.

In reply to Dukes
Mate,it's always TT vs the rest,as if you don't know you are the number one anti Trini.

Lara was groomed from day dot as a captain of cricket teams. Yes he had a great cricket brain to armour his batting skills but he was a piss poor skipper, we just have to accept that.
If it's an automatic ,an unwritten law that he must captain any team he plays for, surely this is wrong. His record as a captain does not naturally 'allow' this privilege.
Who want vex...stay vex

Many are called but only few are chosen.

Thank Goodness, Mr Brian Charles Lara is among the chosen few or else.....(No need to state the obvious).

Oh gosh! " Yuh all ain't tired trying to push toothpaste back into the tube?

In reply to Raggs

He had a piss poor team. Sarwan and Tiger were the only cats who gave lara any kind of support. When murali was embarassing lead footed WI batsmen, it was sarwan and ganga who stood up with BCL. Dude......allan border could not make the teams lara captained in the post wash and ambrose era great......those are facts

In reply to Jumpstart

I am sure this brings back fond memories

Never gave the scorers any trouble eeh?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In reply to Dukes

Aren’t you denigrating him the same as you said I did with sobers? Facts you say? How do you live with yourself?

In reply to Barry

Who am I denigrating??

In reply to Barry

Chips & shoulders by Barry..

In reply to Khaga

Go back to the streets- leave West Indians alone....

Well if you never know who are Tits here, we now know.

In reply to Khaga

Instead of speaking Teglu- check your English- it’s regarlesst

In reply to natty_forever

Tits are on your ..... and they sag

In reply to Jumpstart

Lara had Walsh/Ambrose in his arsenal ...Shiv/Adams were not back ups either

In reply to Raggs

Add Hooper to the Adams category..

In reply to Khaga

good input to the equation.

In reply to Barry

English is my 10th language and in another 15 years I plan to not speak English at all..


Hindi me baat cheet Karo,behen chod!!