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Sir Garfield Sobers’ say on top bowlers
openning
2021-05-02 14:15:49
Do you agree with those who suggest that for West Indies to return to the glory days of the late 1970s, the 1980s and early ‘90s they should consistently play four fast bowlers again?
Well, the West Indies played their fast bowlers because they were good and it was a new trend to cricket. In the early days you had two fast bowlers, a medium-pacer and two spinners. You had fast bowlers but when those West Indian bowlers came on the scene they were not just fast. They were express. And they all had different deliveries and bounce.
You take for instance Joel Garner who used to come from something like 11 to 12 feet in the air. And then you had Michael Holding, who they called Whispering Death. He used to pass you so smoothly you didn’t even hear when he passed you. Then you had Colin Croft who used to come from an angle and angle it into you. You also had Andy Roberts who was great and could disguise it.
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Overthrow
2021-05-02 15:12:13
In reply to openning
Having witnessed this fearsome foursome on many occasions, I agree that the assessment of the great all-rounder. They each bowled with different strengths and purpose.
Dukes
2021-05-02 15:56:06
Overthrow
2021-05-02 16:07:52
In reply to Dukes
Gary’s musings on cricket carries a hell of a lot more weight than ours. 
Dukes
2021-05-02 16:25:21
Overthrow
2021-05-02 16:29:26
In reply to Dukes
Yes, only seen him on you tube. Read an few articles on him.
Any insight as to why he walked away from a game at his peak?
FuzzyWuzzy
2021-05-02 20:13:05
Dukes
2021-05-02 20:25:02
Norm
2021-05-02 20:27:43
So, Garry says to play GOOD bowlers, not necessarily FAST bowlers. In his days, the typical combo was 2 fast bowlers, 2 spinners and a medium pacer. A 4-fast-bowler combo was a "trend" and not necessarily a winning combo.
In other words, Garry sees nothing special about a 4-fast-bowler combo.
The first series WI won in England and probably overseas was won by spinners. The last series WI won was also won by a spinner.
The 4-prong pace attack idea pioneered by Aus and now clung to by WI fans blinds WI fans to the point where they condemn themselves to doom by being unable accept anything different.
Norm
2021-05-02 20:28:51
In reply to Dukes
Absolutely nothing special about Patterson Thomson.
FuzzyWuzzy
2021-05-02 20:53:25
In reply to Dukes
Ask sir vivian Richards about Dwayne Smith
openning
2021-05-02 22:47:49
In reply to Norm
Reading the Q&A, Sir Gary knowledge of the sport, supersede anything you hear on this MB.
I remember when Malcolm first started he came to me one day and he said he couldn’t bowl the outswinger. And I said to him you would never be able to bowl a proper outswinger because you run too straight. I said you have to come in from an angle so that you can get your left side in and you get swing from the body action, and so when you get there you are side on and then when you bowl the ball you would get the outswinger. Then he started to bowl the outswinger and became one of the best fast bowlers the world has ever seen because they all tell you it doesn’t matter where or when or how. People tell you in England, Australia, India, Pakistan, wherever he played, Malcolm Marshall was one of the best.
The above tells me the work Malcolm put in, to become the best.
Dwayne Smith never put in the work, Seymour knew DRS was not up to the task.
Another for Doc and posters who predict, especially a young Hetty, who plays every format the same.
We have to start looking for bowlers who can use their brains and people who can recognise weaknesses in batsmen and where they have to bowl the ball. Those kinds of things have to be taught and you have to learn how to get batsmen out, not just how to tie them down but what you have to do to make them make mistakes and that kind of thing.
Norm
2021-05-02 23:42:26
In reply to openning
Maco was honest with himself. He recognized that he could not bowl a good enough outswinger and thus sought assistance from an expert.
openning
2021-05-02 23:52:25
In reply to Norm
Maco was honest with himself. He recognized that he could not bowl a good enough outswinger and thus sought assistance from an expert.
Bro, it is the work one puts in.
You would today get Dwayne Smith caught at Cow corner, after years of him working with some of Barbados Legends
Norm
2021-05-03 00:12:11
In reply to openning
Different aspirations, apparently. Maco dared to want to be the best at whatever level he played. Tarzan was okay with far less.
TanteMerle
2021-05-03 00:44:17
openning
2021-05-03 00:55:52
In reply to TanteMerle
Hearing so much about Marshall, tells me he wanted to be the best he could be.
I knew about fitness from Vasbert Drakes, who sat out a match against T&T.
He told me, that the best player at his club in South Africa, lost his contract for showing up the previous season out of shape, this year was either 95 or 97.
Thats the reason he had to be in top shape, when he returned to his contractual obligation in Soth Africa.
culpepperboy
2021-05-03 10:48:11
Dwayne Smith was underrated as a bowler.
Dukes
2021-05-03 11:18:52
In reply to TanteMerle
Lillee bowled a ball pitched on leg stump at him.
Marshall went to play to leg, and the ball leg-cut and past outside offstump.
Marshall also said the ball made a phizzing sound as the ball passed him.
That does not sound like an outswinger but a leg-cutter.
An outswinger moves from leg to off IN THE AIR BEFORE IT PITCHES
A leg-cutter moves from leg to off AFTER IT PITCHES
FuzzyWuzzy
2021-05-03 18:51:13
RedDuppy
2021-05-04 05:04:19
In reply to TanteMerle Leg cutter not outswinger
Brerzerk
2021-05-04 05:14:50
In reply to Dukes
He also singled out Ricardo Powell and Shane Watson as going on to greatness.
Was there something he saw that they couldn't develop?
