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In the past players like Hope, and Samuels in previous t20cwc, were criticised for batting too slow and putting pressure on the power hitters like Lewis, Gayle, Pollard, Russell, and currently Pooran and Hetmeyer. Much ado was made about strike rates.

So the Hopes and Samuels types were left out and the six hitters retained, and we are still losing. BTW the strike rates of the hitters are still high...but scores are paltry. Now people are calling for a type of player who can bat deep.

As a contrast DeKock made 255 72 51.00 180 141.66 0 3 and Lewis made 178 71 35.60 111 160.36 0 2

Which team won the series? What good is a high strike rate if not accompanied by long innings and big scores? take Russell for example 62 25 15.50 41 151.21 huge strike rate paltry runs and balls faced.

So next time we picking lets not get carried away by these high strike rates, they can be deceptive.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
You can't win a tournament with a team of swipers. At least one and preferably 2 real batsmen are required.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
SR and Dotballs are key factors in the T20 format
It would be interesting to see the number of dot-balls per match by the West Indies.

In reply to openning

Higher than RSA in each and every game

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

What you failed to factor in is that we actually beat SA twice and beat ourselves the other 3 times!!!!

During the World Cup we're probably not going to play a single team more than twice and with a sense of purpose with added chasing of glory there's no way you can discredited the WI in T20's!!!

Not to mention the IPL players will be playing in the UAE and will have ample time to acclimatize to conditions!!!

In reply to WIfan26

IPL players are the biggest flops when playing for Windies

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Yea during regular scheduling where the paychecks are like pennies for them! What Gayle and The Geriatrics are chasing is glory and a 3rd World Cup Championship!!! As much as I hate the management, coaches, & Geriatrics I will never discount the WI in a major T20 tournament!!!

Samuels was criticized for batting too slow?

When was this?

I think you’re trying to make a point about needing Hope in the T20 team and inventing a critique of Samuels that’s been associated with Hope in ODI cricket.

Stop the gymnastics and just say what this thread is really about. You want Shai Hope in the T20 team. It’s a valid point on its own without having to indulge in “creative license”

In reply to imusic

I know you are basody but in both t20cwc Marlon was criticised for slow scoring rate. How you think we ended up needing Carlos to hit 4 sixes in the last over.

I wish you would stop projecting. I dont care who gets picked but Hope cant do worse than your stars.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

And there it is.

BTW…..have you ever considered that you’re insufferable? Pot calling kettle and all that…

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

The case for Shai Hope to be considered for T 20 cricket is based on Pooran's poor wicketkeeping and bad batting form.Once Pooran starts scoring runs Shai's case goes up in smoke.They should give Fletcher the gloves for a match or two to see if his wicketkeeping is up to snuff and also to see if that jolts Pooran into some batting form.

In reply to Dukes

I make no case for Hope's inclusion. Don't follow imusic down that rabbit hole.


My only point is the high strike rate without runs means nothing

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

That is so obvious it can not be a valid point.

In reply to Dukes

Pooran is a poor wicketkeeper. He’s much more valuable in the field as a fielder where he’s at least above average.

No problem with Fletcher or Hope taking the gloves and dropping Pooran at this point. As relented as he is, runs still matter. And from the onset of the last IPL season, he has struggled mightily with the bat.

You look at Pooran’s positioning and it’s a mental thing. He often position himself in front of the stumps to receive throws which means if there’s a run out chance, he has to reach backwards to dislodge the bails.

In reply to Dukes

Well just ignore it. It was not aimed such lofty ones as yourself

In reply to Dukes
The best observation and conclusion yet

In reply to imusic

ou look at Pooran’s positioning and it’s a mental thing. He often position himself in front of the stumps to receive throws which means if there’s a run out chance, he has to reach backwards to dislodge the bail

I was shocked to see him do that consistently

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

That’s how I remember it too! It was said that he soaked up too many deliveries and waited too late to accelerate.

In reply to WIfan26

thats all and thanks for saying it for me

In reply to imusic

I don’t think Hope is the answer

But what cc.com board were you living on? Of course Samuels was criticized for batting slow.

I can honestly say I was one

We all used to joke a fielder would drop icaan on purpose

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

The reason why we were successful in 2 T20 teams is simple:

We could bat and bowl.

We lost Narine and Badree and did not replace them. We have plenty of batting options.

In reply to TriniStar


It's true if the bowling is decent it's only time until the batting clicks!!!

You guys can't be arguing to include Shai "Dot Ball" Hope instead of Nicholas Pooran in T20's right???

Marlon Samuel's as much of a jackass as he was, he was a cricketer from a different generation!!! Those guys started playing Test cricket and ODI's which was an extension of Test cricket and most players played both formats and in turn took up T20's!!!

It's currently 2021 white ball cricket has changed drastically!!! Scores over 300 and 200 in T20's have become normal, chasing a RRR of 6.00 is a joke in the last 10 overs and players have took up power hitting and the game has evolved to allow it for marketing value!!!

There's currently a place for a player of Shai Hope's quality but he himself is not the answer as he soaks up more dot balls than our power hitters which he even displays in the ODI format where his numbers are fantastic but his strike rate tells a different story!!!

In reply to WIfan26

I see man all a call for Roston Chase..a joke ting

In reply to DIEHARD

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Lewis
Simmons
Fletcher
Hetmyer
Pooran
Pollard
Gayle

Theses batsmen are the highest run scorers in T20 competition in the WI.
Only Johnson Charles and Darren Bravo may be thereabouts with them.
Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Let me know who out scores these batsmen then we can talk about batting overs vs risky batting.

In reply to nick2020

But I mean it doesn't change the fact that he really was slow and put pressure on the team during many an innings, the 2 world cup finals just happened to be the times it worked.

In reply to Andy99

No argument. Music man said he did not know people here used to criticize Samuels for batting too slow.

Fuzzy???

Although Samuels deserves some credit.

The first T20I was lost by Sri lanka,
Not won by Wondies.
Sri lanka panicked when rain threatened
and had poor dismissals.

The 2nd T20I was won by Carlos epic.

In both cases, the Wondies bowling was key.

Samuels was a average T20 batsman.
and after getting hit in Ozzieland,
he became a below average batsman in all formats.


Samuels was good not great.
Shamaicans here need to 'Wheel and cum again'.
I'm tired of reading all this nonsense about Samuel's greatness.

In reply to TanteMerle

Can't remember anyone saying Samuels was great, all I would say at this point is that he is better than every current WI test bat.

In reply to camos

He is just as good as KB, no better

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

All West Indian fans have been delusional since 1995!

Are we talking finals or average strike rate is below 100?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

We need...what's his name? Trying to remember his name.

In reply to JahJah

Do you mean Carlos Ricardo Brathwaite?

In reply to WIfan26
Correct.The loss in the 5th game was COMICAL.They were 20 runs short of what they wanted.We packed our team with big hitters (with small brains on that occasion).And still we lost.

In reply to Rascalp

Yup completely agree what's disappointing had it been IPL or any other franchise cricket Pollard & Russell would've finished the game with ease but for WI it's always a different story!!!