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Umps ruled following had unclean actions:

Guyana
Beaton
Stayers

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Windwards
Shillingford
Jordan
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Barbados
Griffith
Paint Braff
Alleyne
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Jamaica
Ican Samuels
Lawson
Merchant
Campbell(?)
Salmon


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T&T
Ramadhin (self confessed lifetime pelter)
Narine
Cooper
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Leewards
Ambrose
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Hubert/Ewart ,was Gilchrist called for chucking?

aficionados jump in if any pelters omitted

Where exactly was Ronsford Beaton from?

Barbados?

In reply to TanteMerle

You did read aficionados urged to jump in didn't you



answer this ,was Gilchrist ever called?

In reply to Raisedseam

Not that I am aware of. He bowled a beamer at an Englishman and Gerry Alexander sent him home.


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In reply to Ewart

Indian not english

A couple of Yardies bowlers (Merchant and ?) were reported a few years ago, during the Regional List A competition.

In reply to ducks
Alexander's personal friend from college. Alexander had expressly told Gilchrist to not bowl a beamer or a bouncer, after the ump did not rule the batsman out and Gilchrist became visibly upset
I believe there was another fast bowler from Guyana who was called on the field of play, which ended his first class and Test careers.

In reply to TanteMerle
Beaton represented Guyana in regional cricket.

In reply to Norm

You obviously don't recognize sarcasm.

Raisedseam post with a blank space by Guyana.

I took that to mean that he was not aware of any Guyanese
who was called for stoning.
Conversely, he may have been playing dumb.

So I gave a sarcastic reply.

He later edited his post and included Beaton.

John Campbell - Jamaica
Ray Jordan - Windward
Marlon Samuels - Jamaica

In reply to TanteMerle/Norm

Correct!

first post edited as CC.com cricket scholars provide facts

In reply to Norm

Charlie Stayers was the chucker from Guyana.

In reply to Raisedseam
I could name tons who pelt........BAT

In reply to TanteMerle
Tante, you of all people?

BTW, Beaton is actually from Montserrat. I am only interested in cricket, and not in if someone can "see, or spot, or recognize or whatever sarcasm'. I leave that to those who have the time for it.

In reply to tc1
Thanks. That's him alright. WI fans had high hopes for him. The WICB even sent him to India, to help that country develop it's fast bowlers.

In reply to Norm

Pete Salmon was the Jamaican bowler that was called recently, played only two F/C matches, pelted down Guyana in Guyana to a Jamaican win, that was his last match. Merchant was called also, but he has modified his action and is still effective. Throughout the regionals history there were some bowlers with suspect actions that were never called, examples, Collymore (Guyana), Sebastien (WWI)

In reply to Norm

he was good at his craft.

In reply to tc1

The thread is not a witch hunt simply an inventory of players censured for unclean actions.

Stayers died 2007 was he called officially or is this rum talk? He's not on Wikipedia roll of chuckers.

He played cricket in India for Mumbai.

Jamaica heads leaderboard of pelters not T&T as most expected.

In reply to Raisedseam
Stayers was called on the field of play, in the days before video playback was available. It was a surprise to many, as his action apparently did not suggest it. I don't think many were surprised when Griffith was called. The Aussie were said to have acquired special video equipment, specifically to show that Griffith was chucking.
I think it was a baseless comment to opine that the expectation was that the largest number of called chuckers would be from Trinidad, or any specific place of origin.

In reply to tc1
Stayers was said to regularly achieve prodigious swing, at good pace.
Needless to say that Stayers and his fans were heartbroken over this matter.

Why is Ambrose of the Leewards in your list?

In reply to Norm

Swarsnjit Sing who Alexander knew from Cambridge

In reply to Norm

Surely you was not a Blues fan, I was about 12 years when I saw him for the first time, A week later I was told he plays beach cricket every Sunday morning at Pebble beach.
Charlie would bowled from 7:00 am-11:00 am, the first ball that came to me I bowled it, I was very impressed with my led break never had that kind of movement before, Charlie saw a big smile on my face, and called me over, he then threw a ball down toward the wicket and his ball did the same.
He said to me afterwards, try moving the ball away from the water.
It took me a few Sundays to bowl another ball.

In reply to openning
You kinda lost me there, between your story and my comment that many were probably not surprised when Griffith was called.

In reply to Norm
Bro, I was a fan of Charles Griffith the first time I saw him bowled for Empire, we as blues fans,
ignored people talking about him chucking.
He was called for chucking, because the Aussies could stand the bouncers and yorkers.

In reply to Raisedseam

????

In reply to Norm/Wally

You are students of the game ask yourself why fellow aficionados don't question Ambrose on roll of players called for pelting.

Do a spot of research.

In reply to Norm

If Beaton is from Monsterat,

Then Warrican is not from Barbados.

Likewise Archer is not from England etc..

This is a waste of time.

I remember sometime in the 80's,
the ICC had Sylvester Clarke secretly
filmed and studied for a county season.
When the analysis came back clean,
they made the announcement.
He did not get reported.
They did this because of his strange
delivery stride and action.

I kind of like that approach.
When someone is suspected,
they should be secretly analyses.

under the present system,
People get reported.
Modify their action when being tested.

I believe that they should be secretly reported first,
analysed on field,
then reported.

Let them then modify and be tested.

Too many blatant pelters out there.

I watched Ashwin pelting yesterday.
Don't take my word for it.
Go to YouTube and watch the replay of the game.
Then tell me what you think.

In reply to Raisedseam

Jamaica
Gilchrist

In reply to Raisedseam

When and where?

In reply to TanteMerle

Ashwin was not called, despite your opinion that he was pelting.
Furthermore, Ashwin was never ever called.

In reply to Runs
Gilchrist was never called for an illegal bowling action.

In reply to Raisedseam

Is that your quality control standard, unbased allegations by people here? We are seeing the quality of that in action,in regard to Ashwin.

In reply to Raisedseam

Charlie Stayers was called for pelting before the Aussie tour of 1960-61 tour . Thus Frankie did not take him on tour.

who is the Alleyne from Bim.

In reply to Norm

Last word here's a clue. Hit up T&T players and Windies umpires fraternity.

In reply to tc1

link text

In reply to anthonyp

The two biggest perennial pelters in the region are Narine and Shillingford aka Flinginford, they have been called the most number of times.

In reply to Raisedseam

kool, I miss lot of cricket during this period.

Charlie Griffith was called for pelting.


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In reply to Ewart

by Cortez Jordan who had a personal beef with Charlie.

In reply to tc1

Alleyne called at QPO in T&T

IIRC tittie ump Cumberbatch now deceased might be ump who call him and Ambrose for chucking.

In reply to Raisedseam


Hubert/Ewart ,was Gilchrist called for chucking?

It is a little known fact, but Gilchrist was indeed called for throwing. Here is a background and
circumstance and more and forgive me if I a long.
After his banishment after India 58-59, Gillie was an outcast except for hie Lancashire League contract.
Worrell was always a supporter and never cease to have him reinstated although he was rebuffed by the WICB to have him
fill the vacancy left my Eric Atkinson's withdrawal for the 60-61 Aussie tour.

However Frank did manage to him get a recall for Jamaica squad for the 61-62 Pentangular in where he came up fresh and
unprepared to engage Barbados at Bourda. In reply to a 400 plus total by Jamaica,Gillie ran into Hunter and Cammie Smith
who practically erased the total with a huge opening stand.

All was not lost however as Gillie returned to Jamaica to try and regain his place for the pending India visit/series
and cricket being king, the Jamaica Board had named him among some 48 players to play a series of Trial games in preparation for
the Jamaica team./ Two matches were slated to be played on the weekends.

Gillie was included in one played at Wray and Nephew Oval on Spanish Town.The other was played in East Kingston but which from
all reports did not attract many spectators who all seemed to have headed for the Gillie game.
I was late there and missed his first spell but when enquired was told he had snatched up three quick
wickets including Rae's.
There were many who missed his spell and those who did cajoled the captain to bring back Gillie for another. I saw that 2nd
and it was obvious that Gillie was coasting and nothing like the demon who terrorized Hanif in the Test four years earlier at Sabina.

I missed the 2nd game played in East Kingston but read in the Gleaner on Monday that he was noballed for throwing.
The deed was done by an up and coming umpire, Douglas Sang Hue who was making his way in all levels of local cricket and had
called a number of bowlers in the process.

But when the news circulated,none other than The GOAT,Sobers who was a team mate for all his 13 Tests,expressed horror and surprise as
he felt with the action he had it was 'impossible for Gillie to throw.
That was the last time Gilchrist bowled in Jamaica and he returned to the League.

However later that year.,he along with
Chester Watson,Lester King and Charles Stayers were specially contracted by the Indian Board to play in the India's domestic Ranji and Duleep(Zonal)
games in order to expose the Local FC players to quick bowling in their development. Gillie was assigned to the South(Hyderabad); King to East(Bengal),
Watson and Stayers to the North and West.. either to Delhi or Bombay( forgot which). Of the four, I think Watson emerged best by performance.
That ended Gilchrist's FC career.

The irony is that more than whispers were raised about the legally of Stayers' action and Watson's to a lesser extent.
Watson was clean in my view but there was always some double about Stayers and I am aware he was called as mentioned on this thread. In any case
his Four Test vs India in '62 remained his Career total and he was never picked again.Watson's brief career ended after the First Test in Trinidad
of that same series.

On a personal note,I encountered Sang Hue at the old Melbourne Park(now Kingston College ) on Ash Wednesday 1962 playing in a Minor
Cup game for Mico College as a budding 'fast' bowler .It proved to one of the lowest points of my cricket career. We only discovered
after they declared at 200 plus for two that the Melbourne team had only 5 players. Our main quickie had dismissed an opener in the opening
over and I had the other in the second over. In that same over their No.3 K Dennis was put down at slip on nought. My following over Roy (McDirety) Mclean played on and the bail did not fall.
We did not get another wicket. The pair beat the hell out of notching centuries . It was ball beating of the brutal kind in a hot humid afternoon.

In a later spell I strove for extra pace and then I heard the call of ' No Ball ' coming from square Leg. Sang Hue had claimed another scalp.
I was embarrassed of course but continued and was not called again. I always had the highest respect for Dougie and we always had a smile of acknowledgement
when and where ever we met. The sad thing was that we lost an important match in the last over as the wily old Test bowler Kentish wrecked our top order
and we lost the game in the last over making about 120.I never like Ash Wednesdays after that.

However I was always of the view that his calling of Gillie was not on the up and up as there were people in high places who did not want to see
Gilchrist playing cricket for Jamaica and West Indies. If so they succeeded in having someone doing some work for them
My suspicion remains to this day too as Sang Hue made his debut as Test umpire in the 5th Test of the 62 series when he accompanied Owen Davies
attired in black and white ahead of the India team onto the field.
He did so without having officiated in a FC match. He started at the top.But he was a top notch and no nonsense umpire who gained the respect of
the best players from all countries and his career was stellar. Although his association with Kerry Packer's WSC did not sit well with Bob Simpson
who is said to have objected to him as umpire when he captained the Packerless Australians on the 1978 visit and Sang Hue was not selected to
officiate in the final Test at Sabina.

My favourite take on Douglas Sang Hue was his response to a Test batsman who complained about bouncers by the West Indies attack..he is said to have told
the batsman(batter) ' Those are long hops, man'.

As for Gillie, his WI FC career and ended at Bourda with hammering from Pairadeau, Kanhai, Butcher and Solomon who hit tons in a total of over
600 on his debut with 3 wicket for more than a 100. And ended with a similar treatment ,same venue, almost to the date, 5 years later,with another
100 plus at the bats of Hunte and Cammie Smith.

Gillie and Sang Hue, long may they be remembered and celebrated too.

In reply to Wally-1
Formally called by Cumberbatch I think
Ambrose the Pelter

In reply to hubert

Nice, welcome.

In reply to hubert

Well written, gave me insights into the game before I existed.

In reply to hubert

Couldn't stop reading your post as usual a masterpiece of Windies cricket history. Thank you.

Priceless vintage cricket memorabilia !

In reply to hubert

You have to respect The G.O.A.T if Sobers deem it impossible for Gillie to pelt then he was not pelting.

The wooden spoon goes to Sang Hue

Ambrose
Walsh
Marshall
Roberts
Collins
Collymore
Roach
Garner

ETC ETC ETC

ITS A NEVER ENDING LIST.

ALL THESE SKUNTS ARE PELTERS AND BECAUSE OF CAVE AGE THEY GOT AWAY.

I AM BACK TO DISRUPT YOUR PARTY SKUNTS.


DEDING WID LAF SKUNTS.

In reply to bolls

That is why the great Bedi run… he fraid pelt…how is your home city? They pelt waist there, no?

In reply to Barry

Sydney ka chut re. Chutiya saala. Great sydney yummy yummy, Failara thondi.

DEDING WID LAF.