Hemraj vs Solozano

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link mikelegend Joined: Nov 27, 2009
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11/20/21, 6:29:29 AM 
Why is Chanderpaul Hemraj with a better FC average, can bowl a bit of spin and a better attacking left handed batsman, not preferred over Solozano???

link granite Joined: Oct 31, 2013
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11/20/21, 7:12:10 AM 
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I wondered that muself,the real problem is having to pick Solozano as an opener for the West Indies,it just means we are devoid of openers,I don't think we are.

link Emir Joined: Aug 8, 2014
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11/20/21, 7:47:17 AM 
In reply to granite

Solanzo has enormous potential and there is something about him that screams he is a future.

The FC stats is irrelevant since there isn't anything to go by among the various batters vying for the opening slot.

Posters in here don't really understand stats and talent, thus this post.

link dayne Joined: May 28, 2007
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11/20/21, 7:59:32 AM 
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For the sake of WI cricket I hope you are right, Solozano batting style reminds me of Chattergoon, who played for the WI several years ago, when he got to Test level, he had a hard time getting the ball off the square. However at this time Hemraj looks more like a limited over player, he does not have the technique to handle the moving ball.

link anthonyp Joined: Nov 1, 2009
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11/20/21, 8:05:42 AM 
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lol

Based on Solozano stats you think he could handle any kind of ball?

Batsman A
Batting avg. 23.41 after 73 innings..

Batsman B
Batting avg. 29.25 after 57 innings..

link doosra Joined: May 25, 2004
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11/20/21, 8:20:32 AM 
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Same for Tage Chanderpaul

but i think it has to do with recent performances

Tage had a string of low scores just before covid stopped the fc season in 2020

I guess Hemraj same - also Hemraj has not kept himself in proper intl shape - he has mainly himself to blame for that imho [actually just checked, Hemraj's last FC innings was 82 against Jamaica February 2020...

But i still am of the view he should be way ahead of the competition given his talent but he needs to start running every morning

link doosra Joined: May 25, 2004
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11/20/21, 8:23:56 AM 
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In reply to Emir

Solanzo has enormous potential and there is something about him that screams he is a future.


i hope you are right but i see very little signs of that in his 40 FC matches to date

link WalterWhite Joined: Feb 28, 2021
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11/20/21, 8:28:22 AM 
In reply to mikelegend
Don't think that Hemraj would make it at international level but still a good question.

link doosra Joined: May 25, 2004
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11/20/21, 8:33:16 AM 
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he is likely to make it (or not make it) as good as any of the others in contention
but i am losing no sleep over it

he has only himself to blame for not being ahead based on his natural talent

his fitness is often the case he gets in and gets out with just a start

link Windiesfan78 Joined: Oct 19, 2021
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11/20/21, 8:59:00 AM 
This may sound harsh but how can players that are averaging in the 20s in first class cricket be expected to step up to the international level. I hope I am wrong but I don't see either of these players doing well unless they can improve in home conditions first.

link mikelegend Joined: Nov 27, 2009
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11/20/21, 11:57:09 AM 
In reply to Emir

Posters in here don't really understand stats and talent, thus this post.


Very interesting. This poster wishes to be educated.

link mikelegend Joined: Nov 27, 2009
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11/20/21, 12:02:55 PM 
In reply to anthonyp


lol

Based on Solozano stats you think he could handle any kind of ball?

Batsman A
Batting avg. 23.41 after 73 innings..

Batsman B
Batting avg. 29.25 after 57 innings..


Boggles the mind doesn’t it?? lol lol Nevertheless, I hope Solozano makes great use of this opportunity and makes us all proud. Maybe Hemraj will be pigeonholed to the limited overs format as seems the CWI way to go in these times.

link Narper Joined: Jan 3, 2003
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11/20/21, 12:16:14 PM 
Solozano will be debuting in test cricket to open the batting for WI at 26 years old with a FC ave of 23.

Name another test playing country where this fcukery happens

link mikelegend Joined: Nov 27, 2009
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11/20/21, 12:32:06 PM 
In reply to Narper

After 73 innings.

link Narper Joined: Jan 3, 2003
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11/20/21, 12:32:49 PM 
In reply to mikelegend
Playing FC for 8 years

wink

Late bloomer???

link mikelegend Joined: Nov 27, 2009
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11/20/21, 12:39:58 PM 
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A wise one on this thread has stated “ There is something about him that SCREAMS he is a future”. The wise man also stated that the poster of this thread “does not really understand stats and talent” based on….??? So I really don’t know wink

link sudden Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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11/20/21, 12:58:40 PM 
According to Dukes, a batsman’s age should not be more than his average big grin

But the tits large and in charge

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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11/20/21, 1:33:21 PM 
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Hemraj and Motie are two of the guys in the region with talent. The others are Odean Smith, King, Rutherford, Chemar Holder, Dominic Drakes.

It is my humble opinion that WI management should find a place in one of the teams for these guys.

The new opening bat is more suited for test cricket but my choice for this series would have been Hemraj.

link navindesigns Joined: Mar 20, 2005
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11/20/21, 2:37:16 PM 
never heard of solanzo, what country is he from?

link sudden Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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11/20/21, 3:07:49 PM 
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Bim

link velo Joined: Jul 28, 2019
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11/20/21, 3:10:12 PM 
shayne moseley has a fc average higher than hemraj or solozano but unfortunately for him his technique was found wanting

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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11/20/21, 3:55:48 PM 
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Solanzo has enormous potential and there is something about him that screams he is a future.


Jeremy Solozano was certainly a favored son.He led T&T Under 17 and Under 19 teams though someone else was even more favored Vikash Mohan who captained T&T at Under 15,17 and 19 level but has failed to make the T&T senior team.
From what I can see Solozano has a poor record at every level, though paradoxically his record at senior level is actually better than in age group cricket.Certainly he has his boosters including loud mouthed Philo Wallace whose decibel levels are inversely proportional to his sense.
I am agnostic where Hemraj is concerned because I do not think he is the future of WI batsmanship and that is why if the powers that be want to push Joker Jeremy then they can knock themselves out.

link Andy99 Joined: Aug 18, 2009
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11/20/21, 3:56:25 PM 
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Solozano is extremely lucky and thats being nice.
And tbh most of the openers are shit and batters in general are shit but I would've tried a middle order bat as an opener.
Or imo the best move would be to move Da Silva to open and bring in someone else to wicket keep, maybe try the biggest batting failure of the last 10 years, Shia Hope, as a wicket keep bat at number 7.

link sudden Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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11/20/21, 4:08:13 PM 
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Or conversely they could get WI best batsman over the last 10 years Darren Bravo to open

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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11/20/21, 4:13:47 PM 
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Trinidad and Tobago Under-17s v Guyana Under-17s
West Indies Cricket Board Under-17 Tournament 2012
Venue Shaw Park, Scarborough on 7th July 2012 (50-over match)
Balls per over 6
Toss Guyana Under-17s won the toss and decided to bat
Result Trinidad and Tobago Under-17s won by 2 wickets
Points Trinidad and Tobago Under-17s 7.5 (Bowling 1.5); Guyana Under-17s 1 (Bowling 1)
Umpires D Ramdhanie, A Sanowar
Referee HPL Bruce
Guyana Under-17s innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s S-Rate
T Chanderpaul c Webster b Charles 19
SO Hetmyer c Kanhai b Bootan 78 93 8 2 83.87
KMA Paul c Maniram b Charles 2
A Chan c Christmas b Charles 4
R Peters c Webster b Bootan 3
G Motie b Christmas 0
M Gonsalves c Ali b Small 13
+K Savory not out 13
D George lbw b Webster 4
S Sankar not out 5
B Bailey did not bat
Extras (2 b, 14 w) 16
Total (8 wickets, innings closed, 46 overs) 157
Fall of wickets:
1-59 (Chanderpaul), 2-81 (Paul), 3-107 (Chan), 4-116 (Hetmyer), 5-117 (Peters), 6-119 (Motie), 7-142 (Gonsalves), 8-146 (George)
Trinidad and Tobago Under-17s bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls S-Rate Econ
Webster 10 1 40 1 - 60.00 4.00
Small 9 0 41 1 - 54.00 4.56
Christmas 8 1 27 1 - 48.00 3.38
Solozano 3 0 9 0 - - 3.00
Charles 10 5 24 3 - 20.00 2.40
Ali 4 0 12 0 - - 3.00
Bootan 2 1 2 2 - 6.00 1.00
Trinidad and Tobago Under-17s innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s S-Rate
JL Solozano c Savory b [unknown] 56
B Christmas run out 2
K Kanhai c Gonsalves b [unknown] 6
C Carimbocas lbw b Sankar 13
J Maniram lbw b Motie 8
BNL Charles c Paul b Chan 11
N Pooran c Peters b Chan 0
A Small b Chan 31
T Webster not out 8
J Bootan not out 0
Ali did not bat
Extras (2 b, 1 lb, 20 w) 23
Total (8 wickets, 45.1 overs) 158
Fall of wickets:
1-11 (Christmas), 2-21 (Kanhai), 3-50 (Carimbocas), 4-64 (Maniram), 5-103 (Charles), 6-104 (Pooran), 7-128 (Solozano), 8-157 (Small)
Guyana Under-17s bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls S-Rate Econ
George 8.1 0 19 1 - 49.00 2.33
Bailey 9 0 38 1 - 54.00 4.22
Motie 9 1 25 1 - 54.00 2.78
Sankar 10 1 23 1 - 60.00 2.30
Chan 6 0 26 3 - 12.00 4.33
Paul 1 0 7 0 - - 7.00
Gonsalves 2 0 17 0 - - 8.50

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