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Ottis who?
2022-01-04 22:23:21
2022-01-04 22:25:50
In reply to Courtesy
Otis is the coach of Bangladesh?
2022-01-04 22:25:59
Ottis has manufactured a very disciplined Bangladesh bowling attack.
"Attack the wicket on the fourth day" coach Gibson says.
2022-01-04 22:26:46
In reply to sudden
Bowling coach.
2022-01-04 22:34:27
In reply to Courtesy
Wait… he couldn’t get thru to our bowlers?
2022-01-04 22:36:29
In reply to sudden
The cricket culture of Bangladesh and the West Indies is chalk and cheese.
West Indian cricketers need a massive attitudinal change.
2022-01-04 22:37:56
Courtney Walsh was more than a bit previous.
2022-01-04 22:41:19
Well from what the coaches are saying, we are just reaping what we sow with mediocre players being too big for their boots with lots of attitude and no talent to back it up. Maybe the same thing is happening with Phil why he resorts to ice cream for comfort.
2022-01-04 22:43:05
In reply to VoopsandOut
The buck stops with the head honchos at CWI.
What is the role of the Director of Cricket?...what's his appraisal like? On what basis is his contract renewed?
2022-01-04 22:55:28
In reply to Courtesy
Otis’s biggest sin was advising Shiv to stop playing ODI for longevity in tests
And challenging Sars to dig deep within to become all that he can be.
As with our people we cried foul and claimed disrespect and all that
2022-01-04 22:57:21
In reply to sudden
Otis’s biggest sin was advising Shiv to stop playing ODI for longevity in tests
And challenging Sars to dig deep within to become all that he can be.
As with our people we cried foul and claimed disrespect and all that
And challenging Sars to dig deep within to become all that he can be.
As with our people we cried foul and claimed disrespect and all that
Yep. I also suspect you are challenging me to take a peep into the archives.
2022-01-04 23:08:58
In reply to Courtesy
So much for subtlety
2022-01-04 23:14:28
In reply to sudden
Narper was the main protagonist. Boy those posts were brutal.
2022-01-04 23:22:06
In reply to Courtesy
As is WI’s descent into the pits of test cricket ratings
2022-01-04 23:23:42
Otis was never the problem
Multiple coaches and none of them was the problem.
Our players are the problem, our work ethic, an inability to properly read a game and respond appropriately, an inability to identify your own weaknesses and work to correct them, an inflated opinion of oneself on being chosen for the test team, all thinking "they've arrived !"
Added to all of this, little or no facilities to assist in improving young players, a virtually non-existent WICB, everybody want to feed from the trough
Bangladesh players will want and respond positively to what Otis is offering.
2022-01-04 23:24:17
In reply to LBW375
What?
2022-01-04 23:25:22
In reply to sudden
Yep... a precipitous decline which coincided with the departure of HH&G
2022-01-04 23:27:37
Chrissy Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 102060 7/2/11 8:41:44 PM
In reply to Courtesy
Look fi big news tomorrow.
Posts: 102060 7/2/11 8:41:44 PM
In reply to Courtesy
Look fi big news tomorrow.
2022-01-04 23:31:11
Opiss is de biggest fraud ever unleashed on WI cricket
Narper12/13/13 7:52:21 PM
When I released some information here (3 years ago)....yes 2010.....before WC 2011...... which I had received from an unimpeachable source...many here were shocked and dismissed what I released
EVERYTHING I predicted based on the information I received have come to pass
Narper12/13/13 7:52:21 PM
When I released some information here (3 years ago)....yes 2010.....before WC 2011...... which I had received from an unimpeachable source...many here were shocked and dismissed what I released
EVERYTHING I predicted based on the information I received have come to pass
Lemme leave dis ting alone.
2022-01-04 23:32:00
sudden12/13/13 7:56:00 PM
In reply to Narper
BTW did you make similar predictions when Kanhai, Bennett King et al coached the side
In reply to Narper
BTW did you make similar predictions when Kanhai, Bennett King et al coached the side
I done, I done.
2022-01-04 23:32:52
Desmond Haynes - Batting Coach
Otis Gibson - Bowling Coach
? - Head Coach
? - Strength and Fitness Coach
Get Lara, Ambrose and Walsh into the mix
2022-01-04 23:37:49
In reply to LBW375
Before you go there, if Otis wasn’t the problem, what or who was?
2022-01-04 23:38:24
In reply to sudden
See post above
2022-01-04 23:39:16
In reply to LBW375
Got yuh
2022-01-05 00:10:42
The very first (live) video of Otis that I saw had him wagging/pointing finger at Marlon Samuels. While I could easily see why Samuels would attract that kind of attention, I didn't see it as an acceptable gesture from a Head Coach towards his charge.
My understanding is that he carried on similarly during his Saffie tenure. He must've come a long way since then.
2022-01-05 00:24:36
In reply to Drapsey
And yet Samuels was an Otis favorite and he is one man that Samuels never cussed
I think we are too soft and sensitive
Our fragile egos get hurt easily. Every criticism is a slight or a sign of disrespect and hardwork is punishment or slavery
2022-01-05 00:32:04
In reply to sudden
If he wagged his finger at me, he would've certainly got a different reaction than Samuels'.
2022-01-05 00:35:34
In reply to Drapsey
Are u that fragile?
Didn’t Ferguson throw a shoe at Ronaldo or Beckham?
2022-01-05 00:36:21
POM who moved from Volleyball to cricket, just praise Otis for his success.
2022-01-05 00:39:54
In reply to sudden
Are u that fragile?
I wouldn't call it fragile. I just don't have any reservation about telling someone (any one) to .... ....
BTW, I smile a lot. Some people even find it unbearable.
2022-01-05 00:46:27
Credit to the entire Bangladeshi contingent including the support staff of coach Russel Domingo, batting coach Ashwell Prince, bowling coaches Ottis Gibson and Rangana Herath.
The Bangladesh cricket authorities obviously did an excellent job in ensuring that the coaches that they selected understand the Bangladesh culture.
2022-01-05 00:47:04
"In the last two years, I am working with Ottis Gibson. Conditions are always flat at home. We are still learning how to bowl and reverse in away conditions. I am trying to hit the top of the stumps. I needed to be a little patient for success to come.
- Edabot Hossain
Listen and learn, work hard.......
2022-01-05 00:47:20
In reply to Drapsey
Really?
I am sure you have been insulted or some boss has done something you perceived as a diss or BBC whatever they call it nowadays
I am sure you gave him / her a piece of your mind as we say in Bim and went your merry way or your boss apologized to you and promised never to do it again
2022-01-05 00:56:11
In reply to sudden
I am sure you have been insulted or some boss has done something you perceived as a diss or BBC whatever they call it nowadays
The bosses wouldn't do any such thing. They always think (and occasionally say) that I "uplift the place".
I swear that I'm not lying.
Anyway, I don't want to be accused of derailing the thread. Ottis is always an interesting subject.
2022-01-05 01:38:06
In reply to Drapsey
Nervous smile?
2022-01-05 01:42:45
Otis is the leading contender for Yorkshire cricket club head coach
2022-01-05 12:34:20
Will he do a Law and move backwards from being an international coach to a county coach? I suppose it depends on how comfortable your family is wherever you are based.
2022-01-05 13:17:19
In reply to sudden
And challenging Sars to dig deep within to become all that he can be.
Now de same Sars challenging the Guyana players and telling them that they need to be at a 45 on the Yo Yo.
It's funny how life turns...
2022-01-05 13:28:49
In reply to Larr Pullo
well at least he contributed to the team's name change from Jaguars to Hairy Harpers
2022-01-06 01:51:47
In reply to Courtesy
The cricket culture of Bangladesh and the West Indies is chalk and cheese.
West Indian cricketers need a massive attitudinal change.
Caribbean fans are the problem.
2022-01-06 02:31:37
Some posters didn't find him physically appealing enough for their ...ahem..personal tastes and proclivities (I think I just pulled a Drapsey)
Vroooom.
2022-01-06 04:49:17
Kanhai was disrespected
Andy Roberts-They are not listening
Many more same problem. the
Otis' case was unique and two fold.
He was closest in age to the generation of players and even played in the same era as some.
Had he been say head coach of England would he have had the same leadership style?
Just as important, had he not been 'one of them' but especially a foreigner would the players
have reacted to his attempt at autocratic leadership similarly? Did familiarity breed contempt?
However, we know what happens from the head and what flows down and Otis regardless of what he
might have done differently was given his cue and primed from the top. Even before taking up the
post the leader started denigrating the players.
2022-01-06 07:12:30
Otis is the same guy who took a near guaranteed job away from a local African coach who after years of perseverance and graft, managed to turn his low rung team into a championship winning team.
After taking over the role when asked if he wanted to work with the local black coaches he scoffed at this and wanted to bring a non qualified high school cricket coach onboard working in England.
What a guy
2022-01-06 11:20:07
In reply to djdrastic
Otis is the same guy who took a near guaranteed job away from a local African coach who after years of perseverance and graft, managed to turn his low rung team into a championship winning team.
After taking over the role when asked if he wanted to work with the local black coaches he scoffed at this and wanted to bring a non qualified high school cricket coach onboard working in England.
What a guy
After taking over the role when asked if he wanted to work with the local black coaches he scoffed at this and wanted to bring a non qualified high school cricket coach onboard working in England.
What a guy
so let me get this straight.
one day Otis was reading a SA paper and saw that they were offering the head coach job to a local and said ummm, i should try to get that. he then rucked up SA and either put a gun to the potential coach's head and told him not to take the job or he put a gun to the SA cricket honcho's head and said gimme this job or else
so he gets the job under such circumstances and then insisted that from what he has seen or not seen he wants to bring in an assistant coach from the UK with whom he has worked but declines assistance from locals coaches, none of whom he knows.
under that scenario, like you i would conclude, "what a guy."
2022-01-06 11:37:38
In reply to sudden
Mate, the subject of the thread is Ottis Gibson. The writer of that post has made some very serious allegations about Ottis.
You are a lawyer who can lend some assistance. Find out from Ottis if what the poster said is true and take it from there. I am suggesting that it's time posters start paying for their mouths if they have transgressed.
You have his post under lock. I know you have lawyer friends in SA.
Otis is the same guy who took a near guaranteed job away from a local African coach who after years of perseverance and graft, managed to turn his low rung team into a championship winning team.
After taking over the role when asked if he wanted to work with the local black coaches he scoffed at this and wanted to bring a non qualified high school cricket coach onboard working in England.
What a guy
After taking over the role when asked if he wanted to work with the local black coaches he scoffed at this and wanted to bring a non qualified high school cricket coach onboard working in England.
What a guy
2022-01-06 13:08:48
Looks like Trumpism is alive and well.
When things not going your way, resort to law suits.
2022-01-06 13:49:52
In reply to Drapsey
that doesnt make contact with what was posted
please try again
2022-01-06 14:35:24
In reply to sudden
The drastic DJ is a known hater. The only surprise is that he seemed to be advocating in support of a black South African. But I suspect he only did that to take a shot at Ottis 
2022-01-06 16:47:22
In reply to Walco
Thumbs up for your post.
2022-01-06 17:50:08
In reply to sudden
...Then Sars complained to the union that Otis denigrate him . Cried and never left his house for 10 days. Then posted pictures of himself running around in the Guyana jungle pretending he is training.
2022-01-09 05:01:50
332/1 inna Opiss skunt
2022-01-09 09:48:04
Coach's laptop not working today ?
2022-01-09 10:34:57
What I thought was a Jamaican saying 'Every dawg have dem day and every puss dem 4 a'clack' is instead as asserted by Belizean-Jamaican Rafeael Diaz a Belizean saying. Let's see how Otis comes back over the next two days.
2022-01-09 11:59:58
Very, very small minds who can never erase Bangladesh's historic test victory over New Zealand primarily as a result of the influence of a proficient bowling coach.
We prefer to gloat over New Zealand's current score than to acknowlege the history created by Bangladesh in the first test. The hatters mindset has been laid threadbare for the world to see.
Bangladesh's series win over New Zealand beckons and once again Ottis will be part of history because of his astuteness as a bowling coach. It is sevure that Bangladesh cannot be beaten in this series. And that in itself is an achievement.
The fools cannot even get down to acknowleging that Ottis is a premiere international bowling coach. Instead they seek, with the help of a closet racist, to cannibalize, denigrate and vilify one of our own.
I guess this is what we have been brainwashed to think that a black man cannot excel in the field of his endeavour and we simply cannot escape this identity trap. Grow the fuck up...mental slaves.
HATTERS come off your stupor state.
2022-01-09 12:24:03
And you all still nuh get it. Greatest Bowling coach in the world Otis. That's where the buck stops. Denial will not solve anything.
2022-01-09 12:32:32
349 for 1
2022-01-09 12:57:05
In reply to natty_forever
And you all still nuh get it. Greatest Bowling coach in the world Otis. That's where the buck stops. Denial will not solve anything.
I guess a bowling coach can never be influential in getting his side to bowl out the Test World Champions twice and significantly orchestrate a test win?
The top bowlers in the world whom he has influenced have acknowleged this...he is a great coach.
Why do persons come here to express their hate and ignorance? That cocktail of hate and ignorance is deadly.
Ottis Gibson is a far greater resource than current coach Simmons...only the fools in the Caribbean cannot get to acknowleging this. And further, our cricket would have been in a far betterr place by now...
Keep burying your heads in your asses.
2022-01-09 13:24:00
In reply to Courtesy
Yes, shoould have been demoted to bowling coach.
2022-01-09 13:24:41
Yet to hear a batsman share the same sentiments.
2022-01-09 13:24:59
In reply to natty_forever
And your current coach, what should he be demoted to?
Also, care to refresh our memories on the last time coach Simmons took a team to the cricket fortress in New Zealand.
2022-01-09 13:34:29
In reply to natty_forever
Yet to hear a batsman share the same sentiments.
Have you heard any bowlers or batsmen sing the praises of Simmons. What a spooning fool.
2022-01-09 13:43:16
In reply to natty_forever
Yet to hear a batsman share the same sentiments.
I'm not sure if you consider Faf du Plessis a batsman, but here is what he tweeted after Ottis was fired:
"@MrODGibson gonna miss you coach. Have spent a lot of time together over the last 18 months and you become a friend of mine. You are a great man. Thank you for everything that you have done. We appreciate you.”
2022-01-09 13:45:04
In reply to Walco
You maintain a good archive. Thanks much.
2022-01-09 13:55:02
In reply to Courtesy
I remembered that Faf and Ottis had a great relationship and just asked Google to be my friend
2022-01-09 14:00:18
In reply to Walco
For a moment there I thought I read, “…and just asked Gayle to be my friend.”
2022-01-09 14:08:19
In reply to Walco
2022-01-09 14:11:57
In reply to sudden
Yuh like yuh got Crampy on yuh mind
2022-01-09 16:26:17
Otis took a lot of licks here!
2022-01-10 00:00:12
Being the great coach that he is, I expected Ottis to make the adjustments.
2022-01-10 18:44:40
In reply to Courtesy
Being the great coach that he is, I expected Ottis to make the adjustments.
Bro a test victory in New Zealand is a historic achievement indeed.
dem pitches over there are not easy
2022-01-11 15:30:35
Could someone point me to a batsman that shares such sentiments?
2022-01-11 15:38:12
In reply to Courtesy
Thought this thread was about Otis?
2022-01-11 15:50:17
But a good point has been made. Have any of our players publicly bigged up Simmons as coach? I remember Holder and Roach being very positive about Pybus. I appreciate this is a Otis thread but just wondered.
2022-01-11 16:56:31
In reply to VoopsandOut
Perhaps you have forgotten when Bish and Ganga were singing the praises of Coach Simmons. Not to mention jumpstart and a host of other posters on this site. Players are not as important as mouthpieces
2022-01-11 17:09:23
In reply to natty_forever
It seems that you do not consider Faf to be a batsman. Perhaps you rate Ben Stokes as a batsman Link Text
2022-01-11 18:00:15
In reply to natty_forever
Marlon Samuels???
Samuels hailed the help and advice he received from former Jamaica and West Indies captain Jimmy Adams and current West Indies coach Ottis Gibson.
"I really want to thank Jimmy for working with me in the nets and helping me through this process," he said.
"After I came back into the West Indies set-up, Ottis continued the work from where Jimmy left off, and helped me to get the positive result for which I was aiming."
"I really want to thank Jimmy for working with me in the nets and helping me through this process," he said.
"After I came back into the West Indies set-up, Ottis continued the work from where Jimmy left off, and helped me to get the positive result for which I was aiming."
2022-01-11 19:54:57
Ottis Gibson is a far greater resource than current coach Simmons.
Perhaps a comparison of their respective records with the West Indies team can quantify that statement
2022-01-11 20:24:23
When Phil Simmons can get to coach teams above Ireland and Afghanistan grade then he would have qualified to be compared with Ottis Gibson. Cheese cannot be compared to chalk except by the mad men who dwell on this MB.
I will say without any reservation that Phil Simmons will coach no team beyond West Indies in either batting or bowling.
I repeat, no international cricket team worth its salt will give Phil Simmons a coaching job. You can flap your tits on this post.
2022-01-12 09:29:50
In reply to Courtesy
You are a lawyer
Paralegal part time politician.
2022-01-12 09:57:12
In reply to Courtesy
So although there is a dataset in common between the two coaches, we can’t use it because Otis got a job elsewhere?
How about we compare length of time in post, since that MAY indicate performance-based longevity?
Or finals Won?
When there is actual data why are we creating other ‘intangibles’ to compare and contrast? 
2022-01-12 11:30:52
In reply to Halliwell
I am arguing firstly that Gibson and Simmons don't operate at the same level...period. Also, stats and comparisons are meaningless in such cirrcumstances in their coaching periods with West Indies. Further, an across the board comparison between the two is meaningless because one would have to weight the different opposing teams.
But have you ever heard of the Peter's Principle?...You function perfectly on one level but you are atrocious on the next level up. Let Simmons operate at the next level upwards and we can then consider a comparison.
You are asking me to compare and contrast two different levels and coaching against different opposition...impossible.
Intangibles only come in when the work grades and institutions they belong (teams they coached against) are the same.
Sorry, you are asking me to compare and contrast kindergarten level with university level...or a manager at lowe's with the manager at NASA.
They are both managers alright but that's where the comparison stops. Their performances cannot be compared (they coached against different teams) and only fools would venture in this direction.
Ask Simmons to apply for a batting or bowling coach job for England and see how well he does.
In fact, I don't think Simmons will waste his time or thinks that he has a ghost of a chance getting a coaching job with India, South Africa, England or Australia.
Further, images of Phil Simmons sitting passively in the pavillion rubbing his tummy or indulging in extra servings of ice cream while his charges are being put to the sword, will be revolting and nauseating to any of these international teams.
Apparent sleeping on the job is only tolerated in the Caribbean. And lastly, the size of Simmons' tummy and the sleepiness in his eyes will put off any international recruiter.
Simmons cannot inspire any cricketer, let alone excel as a coach.
2022-01-12 13:25:41
In reply to Courtesy
I feel you doh dig Phil
(Thanks for the reply; it was appreciated)
2022-01-12 14:11:40
In reply to Walco
Batty licking? as I cannot recall his performance improving substantially. .
2022-01-12 14:13:32
In reply to Courtesy
Agree with your last post. As I am no fan of Simmons. At least I will acknowledge Otis as a great fast bowling coach. Unable to identify a facet that Simmons is even fair at.
2022-01-12 14:14:40
In reply to natty_forever
Me tinks my friend natty is shifting the goalposts
2022-01-12 15:01:01
In reply to natty_forever
“Otis is a great fast bowling coach”
Which WI, ENG or SA pacer has developed or come through ‘great’ as a result of his work?
I am trying to understand the statement
2022-01-12 15:04:38
In reply to Walco
I have stated that from the beginning. I also asked for Simmons head after the WC debacle.
2022-01-12 15:04:53
In reply to Halliwell
Pollock Broad and Anderson. His work with WI pacers were cut short before the effects were shown.
2022-01-12 17:00:13
In reply to natty_forever
Otis Gibson is being credited for Broad and Anderson???
Ok
This is crazy
Wickets and average before Otis vs their wickets and average during and immediately after Otis
Or is it that we can’t trust stats again because [insert excuse here]
Pollock?? If anything Pollock will tell you he owes his success to Malcolm Marshall! 
2022-01-12 17:39:20
In reply to natty_forever
Malcolm Marshall developed Pollock
Otis developed Ngidi
Interesting that Gabriel brought in by Otis never developed under him but Roddy
It seems many 'Intangibles' are at play.
2022-01-12 19:44:58
In reply to Halliwell
Ottis Gibson held the golden key to unlock Stuart Broad into a world-beating Test bowler
There were many familiar faces Stuart Broad might have searched for in the moment of celebrating his achievement in overtaking Sir Ian Botham to become England’s second highest Test wicket-taker last week.
As he raised the pink ball to mark the dismissal of West Indies wicket-keeper Shane Dowrich – his 384th in his 107th match – he could have pointed it at his dad, former Test batsman Chris, ... He could have pointed it towards Botham, that tour’s hero and his, to whom he paid fulsome tribute afterwards ... But it was to his mentor and former county colleague Ottis Gibson that he offered this special gesture of thanks ...
As it was, when later reflecting on England’s crushing victory in the first (mis)-match of the Investec series, Broad made his position crystal clear over who he owes most for his stellar career. And he may also have reflected inwardly that, in another example of cricket’s penchant for cosmic symmetry, the spot from where he was acknowledging his debt was almost exactly the same one where, thanks to Gibson’s intervention the best part of a decade previously, it had finally started to go right. “Ottis has been a huge influence on me,” said Broad afterwards. “I opened the bowling with him at Leicestershire and he knows my action better than I do. “He has been a huge help to me along the way and that was for him.”
But, 18 months into a Test career in which he had taken 49 wickets at 41.06 and moved down the pecking order from new ball bowler to fourth seamer, Broad was struggling so badly for form, for confidence and for a clearly defined role that he feared the drop was imminent.
On a rainy fourth morning in Birmingham, all that was about to change, for the better.
In the book England’s Ashes, Broad explained what happened next ...
“At the half-way stage I sat down with Ottis and we came to the conclusion that maybe I had been trying to do too many different things with the ball, searching too much for perfect deliveries, trying to buy wickets with bouncers and yorkers and slower balls. I had been trying to bowl in an aggressive role, but that led me to end up losing my natural length and I wasn’t looking dangerous. We both felt it was time to get back to real basics.
“Throughout my first-class career, I’d aimed to hit the same spot – top of off stump – and let the ball do something, not try and swing it, not try to seam it everywhere, just to get the ball in the right area and see what it does.
“And Gibbo said, ‘It’s not what the ball does, it’s where it does it from that matters,’ which made perfect sense to me. I put a cone down in practice where my best length is, 16 feet away from the stumps, just outside off stump. When I’m in rhythm and bowling at my best, my natural shape makes the ball swing slightly away from that angle so I can attack the stumps or outside edge.
“I concentrated on trying to hit the cone every ball. And I did the same from then on every day in warm-ups right through to the end of the series.” The improvement was immediate and dramatic …
It may not have been complete coincidence, either, that Broad’s greatest bowling performance, the 8-15 with which he destroyed the Aussies at Trent Bridge in 2015, came during the summer of Gibson’s reappointment after five years’ absence. He thanked Gibson for his help then too.
So while the fact that Broad should signal out England’s bowling coach for that special honour last week at Edgbaston might have come as a surprise to some, no-one deserved it more than his mentor, who, whenever the opportunity arises, he continues to credit for pushing him to carry keep improving. Broad’s dad and his hero would surely have approved as well.
As he raised the pink ball to mark the dismissal of West Indies wicket-keeper Shane Dowrich – his 384th in his 107th match – he could have pointed it at his dad, former Test batsman Chris, ... He could have pointed it towards Botham, that tour’s hero and his, to whom he paid fulsome tribute afterwards ... But it was to his mentor and former county colleague Ottis Gibson that he offered this special gesture of thanks ...
As it was, when later reflecting on England’s crushing victory in the first (mis)-match of the Investec series, Broad made his position crystal clear over who he owes most for his stellar career. And he may also have reflected inwardly that, in another example of cricket’s penchant for cosmic symmetry, the spot from where he was acknowledging his debt was almost exactly the same one where, thanks to Gibson’s intervention the best part of a decade previously, it had finally started to go right. “Ottis has been a huge influence on me,” said Broad afterwards. “I opened the bowling with him at Leicestershire and he knows my action better than I do. “He has been a huge help to me along the way and that was for him.”
But, 18 months into a Test career in which he had taken 49 wickets at 41.06 and moved down the pecking order from new ball bowler to fourth seamer, Broad was struggling so badly for form, for confidence and for a clearly defined role that he feared the drop was imminent.
On a rainy fourth morning in Birmingham, all that was about to change, for the better.
In the book England’s Ashes, Broad explained what happened next ...
“At the half-way stage I sat down with Ottis and we came to the conclusion that maybe I had been trying to do too many different things with the ball, searching too much for perfect deliveries, trying to buy wickets with bouncers and yorkers and slower balls. I had been trying to bowl in an aggressive role, but that led me to end up losing my natural length and I wasn’t looking dangerous. We both felt it was time to get back to real basics.
“Throughout my first-class career, I’d aimed to hit the same spot – top of off stump – and let the ball do something, not try and swing it, not try to seam it everywhere, just to get the ball in the right area and see what it does.
“And Gibbo said, ‘It’s not what the ball does, it’s where it does it from that matters,’ which made perfect sense to me. I put a cone down in practice where my best length is, 16 feet away from the stumps, just outside off stump. When I’m in rhythm and bowling at my best, my natural shape makes the ball swing slightly away from that angle so I can attack the stumps or outside edge.
“I concentrated on trying to hit the cone every ball. And I did the same from then on every day in warm-ups right through to the end of the series.” The improvement was immediate and dramatic …
It may not have been complete coincidence, either, that Broad’s greatest bowling performance, the 8-15 with which he destroyed the Aussies at Trent Bridge in 2015, came during the summer of Gibson’s reappointment after five years’ absence. He thanked Gibson for his help then too.
So while the fact that Broad should signal out England’s bowling coach for that special honour last week at Edgbaston might have come as a surprise to some, no-one deserved it more than his mentor, who, whenever the opportunity arises, he continues to credit for pushing him to carry keep improving. Broad’s dad and his hero would surely have approved as well.
2022-01-12 20:59:14
Just want to say a little ,sometimes we see coaches who are technically very able but lacking in people's skill and therefore do not achieve at level their technical abilities should allow.
2022-01-12 21:52:49
In reply to camos
I asked a question here recently
As HEAD COACH would Gibson have dealt with players of any other country the way he dealt with the WI especially the seniors?
Had he been a non-Windian would the players have reacted the way they did?
Would the CWI then CEO have been able to coerce him into his agenda of 'Rooting Out?'
Our colonial past affects just about everything regarding labor and leadership
2022-01-12 22:59:58
In reply to Brerzerk
I was disappointed in Sri Lanka when he said he got the team he wanted, that was after certain players were dropped.
2022-01-12 23:06:25
In reply to camos
What's wrong with a coach wanting his team?
2022-01-12 23:12:55
In reply to Brerzerk
I supported Otis then and I am a supporter of Coach Gibson today.
When he said the senior players did not performed, he was spot on, I may would have said our players did not perform as expected, without opening the media a critics mouths.
Was his statement correct, yes it was.
2022-01-12 23:15:09
In reply to Brerzerk
What you think of Phil Simmons speaking of the fitness of Hetmyer and nothing on the fitness of Gayle and others?
2022-01-12 23:28:32
In reply to openning
What I have learnt is that young West Indians cannot handle direct criticism and when challenged they don’t know how to react and often cower or go into their shell and claimed they are not liked etc.
Over the years I have seen it. The direct approach takes us sometime to understand and to get use to. If anything that was Otis’s biggest fault. His and all the outside coaches’ we had. You have to flatter our current generation. They hate being challenged. They take it as an affront to their person.
On personal level, when I first went to the UK I was taken aback by this. My parents had warned me about this and blokes taking the Mickey out of you (talking Shoite to you) so I recognized it and adjusted. But it does take some effort to get use to
Otis probably felt he was still dealing with the English guys who are use to this type of thing
2022-01-12 23:54:41
In reply to sudden
Our culture is to say anything, to anyone, at any time without mixing words.
You learned to deal differently with people at school in England and in the workforce.
A buddy of mind, who was one of the managing directors of Almond beach hotel, said to me one night, after I accuse him of micromanagement, that his staff has to be treated fairly, that's why he returns to the hotel at nights.
I said no to jobs in St. John USVI and Bermuda, St John one would had been a nightmare, but the one in Bermuda, I should had taken.
2022-01-13 00:10:10
In reply to openning
Why the Bermuda one and the USVI one?
2022-01-13 00:48:09
In reply to sudden
Most of the employees working in hospitality in St. John come daily by ferry from St. Thomas, staffing was a problem and the three months I was there, drove me crazy.
Staff not showing up, and to discipline the HR and union rep, had to be involve.
I fell in love with a girl from Bermuda who taught at Bermuda college, for 3-4 years, we met each other in Calgary, Bermuda, or wherever she had seminars.
We had a great time, but neither wanted to live away from our respected homes.
I was an alum of a manager, who manage the two fairmount resorts there, he was also the managing director of the one in Barbados.
She knew him, took me to see him, after he giving hell, for staying in the same position at the hotel in Calgary, got his assistant manager to call and offer me management job, letting me know that at Fairmount, you don't get stuck in a position.
I just did not want to move to a small Island.
I've been to Bermuda numerous times, I am still friends with woman.
A true story, We meet up in Orlando, she at a group from the college was at a seminar, we when out to dinner show one evening, the Show was the newly weds game, we were talk into competing, she answered all three of my answers correctly, and I answered 2-3 of her questions correctly , we won.
2022-01-13 00:52:50
In reply to openning
Man, good story. I understand. Sounds like the lady was the love of your life
How small is Bermuda
2022-01-13 01:13:43
In reply to sudden
53.2 KM, population 63,913
One car per home, little scooters are what you getting around with.
The homes are cold in mornings in January during the winter months, warming up during the day.
Clean, and polite people.
Sounds like the lady was the love of your life
She is a beautiful woman, who love to travel.
2022-01-13 01:15:59
In reply to openning
Winter? How cold does it get?
2022-01-13 01:28:33
In reply to sudden
Today temp 21 C low 16 C
The buildings are concrete with no insulation, early mornings it is cold, and I live in -30 C during winters
It is also the hottest place, I spend time visiting.
2022-01-13 01:30:25
In reply to Courtesy
Ottis who?
I was browsing the net in boredom and came across this site and this name sounds familiar. Not the singer or elevatar co.
My fading memory vaguely remembers a promising bowling coach from Durham or wherever Shiv played at who was well respected then, even by Shiv, if I remember correctly.
Was he the guy who punished by asking men to do laps?
Did he frequently criticize dem and force dem to lift hiyan (weights) till dem get gaodee and couldn't lift a cricket bat?
2022-01-13 02:38:01
In reply to openning
hahaha you are a real opening batsman. Even though Sudden curling that inswinger in through the air before hitting the pitch and straightening you still pick up line n movement early enough to shoulder/arm. hahahaha
2022-01-13 02:39:00
In reply to goofballs
2022-01-13 02:52:38
This convo has gotten really interesting now as it moves to the question of leadership rather than skill. Otis made some terrible errors with many seeming to satisfy his bosses' agenda. Ronnie won a suit for being left out of the Lanka Tour. Having said the seniors were below par he should not have added 'I cannot say this is not their last game' he wasn't even part of the selection committee then. Fighting the Ozzies gallantly in their backyard then confidentially reporting 'The cappo is not a student of the game' didn't seem logical to me but should have stayed private. Gayle having heard that and with his prior record as skippy would surely be miffed. I am sure Gayle and Shiv both felt betrayed having backed Otis and encouraged mates to buy in. But again,what was the best way to deal with those feelings?
In all of that though it was The Administrative Leadership and not the operations mgt. Otis that was the real failure. Hilaire came in with an inflexible (if not ulterior) motive and method that if was adaptable to situations could've seen WI grow.
It is a pity that Malcolm Marshall with his skill and improving man-management wasn't around for that team and that time.
2022-01-13 03:27:55
In reply to Brerzerk
Browsing thru this thread.....
Our colonial past affects just about everything regarding labor and leadership
It was said that he was like the typical "Caribbean man" who ketch lil position in life and the bigotry took over, he had to show everyone below him whattaclaaack, had to exercise his will upon others.
Autocracy (Burnhamite or Trumpite/Modiite), his way or the highway, his peeps and screw everyone else. Blatant prejudice, insularity. (If any of the aforementioned three represented your tribe, they are to this day worshipped as God regardless of reality or logic).
St Lucia was the island du jour during that reign?
It was further postulated that he saw a chance to become the new colonial slave master and didn't waste a moment to crack the cat o nine tails, figuratively but almost literally too.
Most "WIndies"ians won't put up with that crap, not even subtle criticism, and he wasn't, and definitely not from their own!
Saffies? Wonder what happened there?
Most SE Asians youths are brought up in a culture of being humble and respecting authority figures to the point of accusations of being subservient.
All theories might have had some validity but it was the bigger picture that was so saddening and maddening. The role of the Hatchet Man in a Dictatorship regime to get rid of the creme de la creme of WI cricket then and substitute inferior one, the corporate man. I don't think "WIndies"cricket ever ketch its length after that.
WICB probably still is a dictatorship (incompetent, impotent, inefficient) regardless of who is in office and the ultimate cop out is to blame the players. Any true attempts to work with what we have? Afterall how many times can you change wives (or husbands)?
Any infrastructure development?
Insularity? The authoritative spokespersons (defenders) here say that the previous regimes/masters did it in their time so it is an acceptable precedent!
Guyana? Split right down the middle, so they will always get screwed with no real representation.
2022-01-13 03:33:00
In reply to Brerzerk
On this mb we all see an issue from where we were born, it has nothing to do with what right or what best for the team.
I remember saying for years after Lara retire, that Shiv should be batting higher, either 33 or #4, I was told by many Guyanese that Shiv has earn the right to bat, where ever he please.
The team Shiv was playing for was the Shivnarine Chanderpaul national team, instead of WICB team.
When Otis and Simmons decided to take changes with Shiv, all hell broke loose on this board.
Cricket has always been a team sport, it has to be treated as such.
If Shiv at 40 years, is the best suited for #3, that where he is needed and that's where he should bat.
End of story.
2022-01-13 04:26:34
In reply to openning
I agree Shiv should have been batting higher, was also asked about Simmons/Hetty. I believe Simmo could be a little more diplomatic but it is a false comparison re Otis n 'The Three.' Reports suggest Otis thought and had good reason to believe men were undermining him. I saw failure/lack of form from Gayle n Shiv and a returning Sarwan struggling to find rhythm. I remember he made a cover-drive and Cozier said 'That's the Sarwan we know, is that a man who was outing himself on purpose?
I honestly hope Otis helps the Tigers to upset the Kiwis
2022-01-13 05:24:20
In reply to Brerzerk
I just listened to BigB interview on Sportsmax, a number of issues he spoke about, including the senior players did not performed at CWC.
Otis said the same during his media interview and this mb was beside themselves.
You cannot babysit a bunch of professionals, even if you talk with them in private, it become a public issue.
That's one of the area Sudden was talking about.
2022-01-13 05:32:02
In reply to sudden
just saw your conv with Openning, 2 peas in a pod, you guys are funny.
2022-01-13 05:42:26
In reply to openning
Tone, Tenor, circumstance, venue; atmosphere.
Especially the 'I cannot say for sure that this is not their last match'
You not a selector but telling men with lots of cricket left in them I have
the power to destroy your career even if I don't have that official authority.
How dat soun'? Very West Indian so expect the same in return no?
2022-01-13 06:12:02
In reply to Brerzerk
I just post DJ Bravo Sportsmax interview listen to it.
2022-01-13 17:44:00
In reply to openning
On this mb we all see an issue from where we were born, it has nothing to do with what right or what best
Nah, Buddy! It is much deeper than that.
It is from which tribe we come from.
The savagery of the deliberate destruction of WI cricket by a few individuals can only be paralleled with other earlier acts of savagery in our history.
Once the perpetrators belong to our tribe, we jump in hungry for blood.
Those who did not actively participate, watched and smirked (or giggled) and defended. Some pseudo smarts try to intellectualize to justify dastardly actions. Why? Because the perpetrators belong to our own tribe and can do no harm. It is the birthright.
Whether it is a Burnhamite ("he did no wrong") or Trumpite, or a white supremacist individual or cop killing a colored man, it is the same primitive mentality of entitlement at work. Once it is against another tribe.
Try remove yourself from attachment and see if you can understand their (the supporters) perspective at all.
Of course, that might be impossible because the tribe in you will always be thicker than water! Only when it affects you adversely, then you can see and appreciate the injustice and discrimination that used to be so well documented by bawling here in the back room.
So, to this day, and unto death, some of the likes of Otis, Burnham, Trump et al will forever be heroes in your hearts and everything justified or rationalized by intellectualization deflecting from the dastardly acts as it was against "the others" so who cares!
P.S. Some very naive ones are completely sold by the brainwashing that is a pandemic as much as common sense has a supply chain issue.
2022-01-13 19:12:46
In reply to goofballs
Well laid out Shoite
2022-01-13 19:31:51
In reply to goofballs
Keep it going, goofballs!
2022-01-13 19:48:34
In reply to Courtesy
“
The cricket culture of Bangladesh and the West Indies is chalk and cheese.
West Indian cricketers need a massive attitudinal change.”
This! Spot flipping on. West Indian cricketers are incapable of being coached without a massive shift in their mental approach. Why is it that in any other country, players go and fix things in the nets and we don’t. You see and hear it on commentary all the time. They show the changes made.
2022-01-13 19:49:15
In reply to goofballs
You are posting stuff that is way above the heads of self proclaimed pseudos' on this site .
They will not comprehend.
2022-01-13 20:17:54
In reply to goofballs
I have a different view, and it is social stratification in society that change my mindset.
Power corrupts, Burnham knew he had the blacks and cheddi jagan knew he had the Indians.
No one was looking after the people of Guyana.
West Indies cricket in my life time had three super leaders, Sir Frank Worrell, Sir Clive Llyod and Sir Vivian Richards.
Sir Frank was different from Clive and Viv, he fought for the rights of the underprivileged, he saw one West Indies, Clive and Viv wanted to win, and went to war with the best West Indies players, even though WICB was a group of individuals.
Blacks has it own strata, or class system.
People Kanye, Puffy, Oprah and others are doing their best to move into top tier.
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