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Averages 50 in ODI cricket….he must the luckiest son of a gun this side of Abilene, Texas

I’m hard pressed to find a worse player in WI history…

In reply to FanAttick


Shai has good technique; from a purist's perspective...

Also consider this: ODI cricket:


Fielding Restrictions in the first Ten Overs

Limit of Ten overs per bowler.

Captains constantly changing bowlers to limit the scoring rate

Spin bowlers who push the ball through, rather than flight and turn

Very few close in fielders

He has a relatively low strike rate, doesn't take much chances

"What's Luck Got To Do With It!!"

If he was lucky, he would have won more matches for West Indies


I honestly feel he should cash in and try to get an IPL contract. Ah mean, many lesser talents have gotten rich from 20/20 cricket.

There must be some 20/20 team, somewhere, that could use a Wicketkeeper who can bat.

In reply to FanAttick

There is no luck with 10 100s and 19 50s. I believe his confidence is shot at the moment. The stupid decision to partner him with Justin Greaves makes matters worse.

No one should be participating in a debate of this nature if one of the premises for evaluating the profiency of an ODI batsman, who is averaging 52.07 after 80 innings is "luck."

This is intellectual dishonesty.

Luck? Last I checked Hope had about 10 ODI tons to his name.. some of those tons against top teams.. how is that luck?

Oh well ah guess Blackwood could do better

I'm just happy that Hope, the best WI produced (natural) batsman since Bravo, has found a niche.

His 50 + average in ODI cricket must be given due respect. Hopefully, the test if not T20 stats will rise accordingly.

It would otherwise be a certain waste of all that talent.

Hope is a very good batsman

In reply to FanAtticki'm not sure what your on about the worst player in wi history? phil simmons the current coach certainly was worse that shai hope in any format of the game as a player

In reply to anthonyp

To say that Hope looks like a rabbit with a bat would be a grave injustice to rabbits the world over


In reply to velo

Uncle Phil was like Bradman compared to No Hope

In reply to FanAttick

teams don't have to plan on getting Hope out, because his scoring rate is not going to hurt.

In reply to camos

B.I.N.G.O.

In reply to FanAttick

Another bit of intellectual dishonesty. The goal post has now shifted. It's no longer "luck" but his pedestrian scroring rate.

This is a completely different argument.

In reply to FanAttick

Thanks for the clip, it was a joy to watch. However, based on stats Shai Hope is the better player. I forgot that Simmons was an all rounder who opened the batting. He ended his career with an average less than 30. Please talk some sense.

In reply to Windiesfan78

More Uncle Phil

If Shai played in Phil’s era he wouldn’t make the team…and in the unlikely event that he did, he wouldn’t average 20 - luck or no luck

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Take a look at the record breaker.

This is the problem with West Indians. We have one guy who averages over 50 and we want to pull him down to the rest of the 20 something pack

In reply to brians_da_best

Maybe it's a 'backward' way of saying that average alone is meaningless. Average has to be combined with a reasonable run rate to put the team in a winning position.

In reply to brians_da_best

Thank you for that comment. I am not making any excuses for Shai Hope but when you are surrounded by bang average players, coupled with being low on confidence, it can really affect a player's performance. Look at Ramdin for example, he started off his career with such a positive and mature head on his shoulders. He is one of the best wicketkeepers we have had in recent years. Being influenced by the attitudes around him, his game went downhill. We seem to accept mediocrity in this region when it comes to selection of players, coaching staff etc. Tomorrow is a true test of the character of this team. Win and we can breathe a sigh of relief. Lose and we should stop playing against the top 8 ODI teams. Can we beat Ireland, only time will tell?

In reply to Courtesy

Should intellectual even be in the conversation?

In reply to camos

So they plan for players like Blackwood who will out themselves?

In reply to nick2020

It was deliberate on my part. I cannot judge other aspects of his life or personality, hence I restrict myself to what he posts here.

I can say definitively that he is intellectually dishonest.

I wish I could have drawn a correlation.

In reply to Courtesy

Ascribing lack of intellect from someone who worships Darren Sammy as a national hero that’s rich

The soft bigotry of low expectations strikes again!

In reply to FanAttick

Again, that is intellectually dishonest. I have never promoted nor worshipped Darren Sammy on this MB or in any other fora.

I have watched too much quality West Indies cricket to so do.

But by all means, keep on climbing...

In reply to Elsie
I disagree,Shai was suppose to be a great player i don't find much of a problem with his technique it's all to do with his head like so many he can't escape the virus of distraction which seems to have taken permanent refuge in the Caribbean

In reply to nick2020

We are talking about ODI, how Blackwood comes into the conversation; you see all things as one country versus another?

In reply to Elsie

Since they are actually spending money I am going to assume they can see something which you don't see.

In reply to camos

Planning for a batsman is not limited to version of the game.

But camos I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. At least your post would have been understandable if it was about one country vs another.

Else what should I think of your post?

In reply to bird and Headley

In 20/20, Hope would bat for about 45 deliveries Max...

Surely he could use his obvious technique/skill to gather quick runs against other 20/20 club teams; if he's being well compensated.

It's all speculation on my part. But you never know... Money is a great incentive...

In reply to Elsie

I would rather see Hope excel in his best format which is ODI cricket and I would like him to get back to improving his average in test match cricket. I watched a clip of him playing against England when he scored two centuries in the match. If he can regain the confidence he had then, there is a very talented player in him. I am not really a fan of him playing t20 cricket. It doesn't suit the way he plays.

In reply to Windiesfan78

Hope may have a shot range limitation, so he succeeds is the game with field restrictions but in test he falters, will look at how many times he is out caught to see what insights can be taken from that.

In reply to camos

This is why we need a world class batting coach. Who that person is I have no idea. Also, can CWI afford to pay such a person.

In reply to FanAttick

Shai Hope is a far better batsman than Phil Simmons ever was.

I smell a Ricardo Powell video soon on this thread… courtesy of the man that believed Kenny would really invest in that 250M T20 Coke Cap tournament….

In reply to WestDem

Without Kenny The Investor there would be no IPL

It's really amazing how all ya forget.

Shai Hope is Wondies best batsmen by far (any format).

When you take a man and bat him at all positions.
How can you expect consistency, especially in a joke team.

Notice what number he bated at in Hingland.
Those two centuries were not even his best innings.
He made a 60 or 70 odd in a later test that was classier.
I don't remember the exact score but I watch the game.

Shai Hope is going through something...
I don't know what it is.
Bubble fever, low confidence, personal problems,
Covid fatigue, covid sickness, family issues
Just a few suggestions. I DON'T KNOW.

when Wondies do bad, you all find scapegoats.

I see a team with no structure.
No analytical planning.
e.g. opened bowling with spinner after pacer run through them.
Smith and Shepherd made runs, so confidence was high..
But when were they given the ball to bowl.

You need to speak from intellect not hurt.
You really believe that Shai is the problem.
SHAI HOPE IS WONDIES BEST BATSMAN BY FAR.

In reply to TanteMerle

Something is certainly up with Shai Hope. If he can play well tomorrow and help the team win, it will go a long way in terms of restoring his confidence. Every player goes through a bad patch. Hopefully this is short-lived.

In reply to TanteMerle

what makes him better than Bravo?

In reply to Windiesfan78

his ODI form is not yet a concern, he had so much early success that now people expect him to do good every time he bats, but slumps are normal. Tests is a different story.

In reply to Elsie
He does not have a good technique. Stays in his crease too much, huge gap between bat n pad both on the drive and in defense. Hits on the up too often that's why he gets caught in the arc from keeper to point in tests. When he debuted I said he was a significantly more natural cricketer than his opening partner Kraigg but would need to practice even harder to get rid of the faulty technique. It took Dujon 5 mins to see that his bat was coming down around his legs yet no one in FC cricket nor pre-test camp could see and fix that.

In reply to camos

Yes, he has a lot of work to do in that format. He needs to play some county cricket.

In reply to Brerzerk

This is the problem in our team. There are flaws in the technique of players and it doesn't seem to be addressed. The same mistakes keep happening and hence the team continues to fail. I am very concerned about today's match.

In reply to camos
Why bring in Bravo in the convos. This guy has fallen from grace

In reply to InHindsight

To say he can come back to test if Hope can.

In reply to camos

Bravo should be limited to tests.

He puts too much pressure on the other batsmen in white ball
with his lack of strike rotation (worse than Shai)

Any top order batsman who has more sixes than fours shows flaws. (T20).
imagine what Bravo strike rate would be if he can rotate the strike

I give Shai Hope the edge over Bravo.

In case you forget, I was the Biggest Bravo fan.
I even started the LPPA back then. (Lil Prince Protection Agency)

Bravo lost the plot when he attacked 'The Big Idiot'.
Shai slump is worrying.

In reply to TanteMerle
Shai was better than he is. Despite his high ODI average, his batting was more suited to TEST cricket. His two Centuries in England were not a fluke. As I noted before, he got forward to both Anderson and Broad. And he played with a straight bat. Since then, he has been doing a lot of nonsense at the crease; like taking balls from outside off and hitting to the onside. And he plays more from the crease. Plus, he has joined Holder, Chase and others in what I can best describe as the "feel good shot selection" club. That's where they are "wipping" and "flickin"; and "rocking back and pulling". It looks good and feels good, but somehow they are out.

In reply to Osmond

Points taken. I concur.

"Lucky" Shai on his way to another big score.. wish he could share his luck wirh the other WI batsmen

In reply to FanAttick

Shai Hope tell you to 'TEK DAH'

50 off 36.

In reply to FanAttick

Shai read you post

Looking for IPL contract too...


Quick 50

In reply to TanteMerle

Mysteries never cease

In reply to Halliwell

Steupppssssss.

Must carry on to shut up dese critics.

In reply to TanteMerle

Mystery deceased

In reply to LBW375

Hit and Hope gawn…pelt bat and Hope for the best

And now gives it away


Brilliant 53 ?, no Sammy/Bishop, a good 53

Would've been brilliant if he batted on.


Commies smh........

In reply to FanAttick

u a fool.

Numbers game- silly time to out with an out of form Pooran to come but numbers is numbers that is for 50

In reply to LBW375

Typical Wondies batmanship.

Meanwhile Greaves auditioning for a test spot.

In reply to TanteMerle

From that performance I’d say he’s a shoo in for the Test team