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The poor record of TT cricket
sgtdjones
2022-04-19 12:38:14
The poor record of TT cricket
It is now sixteen years since. However, there has been an improvement recently, though the movement was halted by the march of the pandemic. This affected everyone.
The new coach, David Furlonge, has been accustomed to winning as coach of Queen’s Park Cricket Club, therefore, I guess his influence could have a positive effect on the team. Although his work was curtailed by the dangerous virus, still, it must be remembered that every territory went through the same problem, hence, the strongest would survive. Also, TT was off to a confident start in the first half of the tournament, so there’s no reason why they shouldn’t capitalize on it. TT has won the regional tournament outright a mere four times and shared it once in over 50 years of competition and twice in the past 35 years. This is a ridiculously poor effort from a territory that won twice in the first five years and a supposedly leading light in West Indian cricket.
Before this, first-class cricket in the WI took place on an invitational basis between two territories or in an otherwise quadrangular or triangular knockout series, usually played in Guyana (then known as British Guiana). The reason for the choice of this territory for the competition was to hold it late in the year, October for instance, when the weather was favorable in the South American country. Additionally, it was before the start of the Caribbean cricket season between January and May, when players, therefore, could be turned into form for visiting international teams early the following year. However, it proved to be inadequate for preparation and not ideal for the development of young cricketers.
In 1964, an experiment was carried out to have a league competition. This proved to be successful for the purpose intended, ergo, the idea was sold to Shell who came on board. Thus, the birth of organized first-class cricket in the WI.
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Halliwell
2022-04-19 12:50:55
In reply to sgtdjones
The data clearly shows a problem
I not interested in more ‘it’s the pandemic!’ excuses
Results will reflect gains
I remember that ‘85 Nanan team- a Guaracara treat! 
Narper
2022-04-19 13:20:36
In reply to sgtdjones
The next success was in 1976 under Prince Bartholomew, a fine cricketer. It was a strange occurrence. Barbados and TT were tied on points at the top of the standings, with the Bajans having one match left; TT had completed their schedule.
When Barbados arrived in Guyana for their game, one of their team members, Geoff Greenidge, was refused entry because he had played cricket in apartheid South Africa. The Barbados management refused to enter without their full squad and went back home, thereby forfeiting the match.
It meant that Barbados was left tied with TT and shared the trophy.
So Mudland gave Titties a title
Narper
2022-04-19 13:20:44
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The year was 1985, yet, it was another twenty-one years, in 2006, before TT’s cricketers could earn another championship win. By this time it was no longer the Shell Shield, but the Carib Beer Cup and Daren Ganga was the captain.
It is now sixteen years since
Jumpstart
2022-04-19 13:25:51
In reply to sgtdjones
Trinidad's culture is too laid back to encourage continued sporting dominance for any significant length of time. The 501 documentary about lara highlighted this as well. The t20 side was fueled by the fact that playing in the CL T20 opened the way up for fat ipl conntracts as seen by narine, bravo, bharath, polly, cooper, lendl, ravi etc.
VoopsandOut
2022-04-19 17:43:28
In reply to Jumpstart
i dont know about the culture point. I think that traditionally football was TT's focal sport rather than cricket even though a lot of club cricket was played locally when I was growing up. It would have been interesting to see if that list of T20 stars had played a FC season together, whether they could have made TT champions. Lewis, Simmons, DM Bravo, , Pooran, DJ Bravo, Pollard, Narine, Rampaul together with Ramdin would together have made a really strong nucleus for a side
Jumpstart
2022-04-19 18:07:52
In reply to VoopsandOut
i dont know about the culture point. I think that traditionally football was TT's focal sport rather than cricket even though a lot of club cricket was played locally when I was growing up
football was always popular.....but you talk to even the most hardcore football fans in TT, not the post 2000 generation but before. They could tell you legendary spells by TT bowlers in club or FC cricket or spells that they saw in the oval.....one football fried of mine could still remember Andy Roberts making a man virtually quit the sport in the oval. Even in the sports that TT sportsmen have done well internationally......cycling, swimming, athletics etc, we never seem to consistently dominate. Brian Lara was our first sportsman who we can say was the best in his field for a prolonged period of time. Only the RED Force seemed to have the desire to go out their and annihilate the opposition. Ato and Bovell III had it too, but he got messed up by doperman christie, and got injured in between atlanta and Sydney and bovell had that car accident and was never the same after .We lack ruthlessness which goes back to the laid back(bordering on laziness) culture. Not to mention all the distractions TTO has. Its actually a terrible place for a professional sportsman
imusic
2022-04-19 19:52:35
In reply to Jumpstart
Football was by some distance the dominant sport in T&T. No ifs, ands, or but’s. Cricket a DISTANT second.
The dominant sport in T&T now is apathy
granite
2022-04-19 20:23:06
Jumpstart
2022-04-19 21:21:57
In reply to imusic
The dominant sport in T&T now is apathy
yuh have a point there. I remember once in the oval in the first CPL, Amazon warriors was giving us a beat down in the semi final.......and some ppl was openly upset, a small minority........most were drinking and having a good time and morrison was in the stands interviewing a dj and checking out some of the ladies. The only time i saw ppl upset was in a group game in the 2015 cpl where bravo decide to bpwl four different balls to Pietersen and get smacked to four different parts of the oval. It had campaigns and facebook and twitter to have him removed as red steel cappo and ting
Jumpstart
2022-04-19 21:22:40
In reply to granite
yip.....the doh care generation erasing whatever seriousness and values we had
VoopsandOut
2022-04-19 22:48:47
In reply to Jumpstart
the doh care generation as you call it (correctly) is just consumed with living life as if they are in Miami. In its day, Trinidad was one of the cultural and intellectual giants of the Caribbean. That sadly has just been replaced by crass materialism
Jumpstart
2022-04-19 23:11:10
In reply to VoopsandOut
Trinidad was one of the cultural and intellectual giants of the Caribbean. That sadly has just been replaced by crass materialism
front of the class brother. Trinidad was fantastic before man. I have an entire interview with Prof Ken Ramchand talking to CLR James about the Black Jacobins. Its a fantastic interview. Crass materialism is definitely the word man
Raisedseam
2022-04-20 04:31:30
In reply to sgtdjones
It depends on how you contextualize poor
Lewis, Simmons, DM Bravo, , Pooran, DJ Bravo, Pollard, Narine, Rampaul, Lara
Are the wealthiest cricketers of all time out of the Caribbean. Add non tits Gayle and Russell.
Lloyd, Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, Holding, Haynes, Roberts, Garner, Hall,Kanhai, Griffith etc
Are living legends who along with those deceased forged the WI brand into historic sports lore revered to this day.
The proven legends are/were paupers by comparison to the aforementioned lickit millionaires.
Its not a new conundrum. Joe the Brown Bomber Louis and Sugar ray Robinson died in poverty. Floyd Cash Money Mayweather is a billionaire.
Go figure
VoopsandOut
2022-04-20 13:16:10
In reply to Raisedseam
not quite understanding your point. I think that the discussion is that in 100+ years of cricket, TT has produced two notables, Constantine and Lara with probably Carew as one of the savviest regional captains and Bishop as a potentially great bowler. TT has not been consistently good at regional level either. I think that the discussion was about red ball cricket rather than white ball. For white ball cricket, not only are your names (apart from Bravo and Lara) about wealthiest but also about world class
Jumpstart
2022-04-20 13:18:16
In reply to VoopsandOut
and Gomes
Halliwell
2022-04-20 13:45:44
In reply to Raisedseam
Go figure… you put “lickit millionaire” Lara with Lendl and Ravi Rampaul
And then put “living legend & pauper” Haynes with Sobers and Viv
Raisedseam
2022-04-20 16:39:28
In reply to Halliwell
Lara's a real McCoy titan not a lickit money bag$ referenced him to debunk 'poor' theory
imusic
2022-04-20 16:48:37
In reply to VoopsandOut
in 100+ years of cricket, TT has produced two notables, Constantine and Lara with probably Carew as one of the savviest regional captains and Bishop as a potentially great bowler
The fact that you see fit to ignore the likes of Dwayne Bravo, Sunil Narine, and Kieron Pollard demonstrates your bias and questionable judgement.
FuzzyWuzzy
2022-04-20 19:03:23
In reply to imusic
The man is referencing red ball cricket.
imusic
2022-04-20 19:26:42
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
The man said 100 + years of red ball cricket?
I must have missed that
FuzzyWuzzy
2022-04-20 20:23:56
In reply to imusic
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I think that the discussion was about red ball cricket rather than white ball
Dukes
2022-04-20 22:01:40
In reply to Jumpstart
.the doh care generation erasing whatever seriousness and values we had
Nuh you seh dat yuh too young to know bout Ambi 7-1????
Now yuh cussing de young generation???
Yuh cyah have it both ways!!!!
