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Managed to save his career.

I’m still not convinced that he’s our best opener. And this will keep Tage out for longer, which in the long term wouldn’t be good for us.

I believe our next test matches are against australia later this year. I don’t think many believe Campbell will score too many against australia in australia.

Tage is better, technically, and should be given a go somewhere.

Anyways, this 50 has won him a few more games, let’s see how he uses this extended run that this 60 has given him

In reply to brians_da_best



yes.

In reply to brians_da_best

Not a few more games but at least one more, the best batting line up should be played if Tage is not in as an opener then bat him at #3 most of the time we are losing an early wicket anyways

In reply to bird

Yeah but after the next test we don't play until November

So Campbell will obviously go to Australia. I hope it's not at the expense of Tage

In reply to brians_da_best

agreed.

Congratulations to him.

I saw intent and more focus today...especially since Kraigg went early.

Good on him.

In reply to brians_da_best

I have a lil soft spot for Campbell I think in recent times he is guilty of trying too hard if there is such a thing, when he started out there was a bit of Freddo in hin but then he tried to be come an a total defensive player who ever is advising him if there is such a person is really not doing him justice, I would like to see him maintain that pugnashuousness tempered with common sense he has become overly timid and undesaisive

In reply to brians_da_best
Campbell is the type of batsman who with a little luck can score runs in Oz/vs Oz.
He has all the shots, just needs to know when to play them, also needs to
work more on his defence including what not to play at.

In reply to brians_da_best

With every new talented but potential WI batsman we have the same perception that the new player will be better than the incumbent player, more often we are wrong. This has led to a gradual decline in WI team performances as we quickly replace relatively performing players in the hope that the new player will be a better performer. I have watched the replacement of Sarwan, Deo, Samuels, even The Shiv and many other relatively performing players, and so far we are yet to find suitable replacement batsmen for all those players. Yet we still continue to go down that road.
Learn a lesson from Blackwood, Bonner, Myers and even Hope in ODI, that better performing players are usually the ones who have matured and have some time to develop their batting skills, by waiting a while to join the team, and not been rushed into the team.

In reply to bird

Campbell's new found defensive nature is as a result of the coaching he is getting in my opinion. All the players
who started out as stroke makers are turning into pokers .While players need to bat with some degree of caution ,going ultra-defensive will lead to bowlers dominating .

In reply to brians_da_best

For a tour of Australia, I'm sure that the selectors will pick three openers.

Braithwaite
Campbell
Chanderpaul

If the tour goes as we suspect it will I am sure that all three will get a chance to play.

I would like to caution fans not to expect Tagenarine to be as good as his father. That's a hell of an expectation to carry around!

In reply to brians_da_best

So, you believe that Tage,by whom I believe you would like to see Campbell be replaced, do any better? Please tell me against which international class bowler has Tage ever proven that he can score runs?
beware pseudo cognoscenti!

In reply to brians_da_best Exactly...werent we giving up on him some time ago? Well, ah mean you chaps.

Yes, that career- saving half century means that their equally mediocre compatriot will have to cool his heels on the sidelines just a bit longer!!

19 test matches, 38 innings, avg 25, 3 50s...no 100s yet

and career saved

phew

even Ramdin who you hated so much has a better batting record than this...

In reply to mikesiva

I do not think anyone(apart from Jeremy) is of the belief that he is anywhere as good as his father.He scored 2 big centuries in 5 matches and that usually gets you in the test team especially when the incumbent has an overall average of failure and a recent series failure.However it is not a big deal to me, certainly not as big a deal as Reifer batting at the coveted # 3 position in a West Indies test team.Desmond Haynes can not justify that selection and interestingly has not faced the press to answer any questions.

So you all want Braff and Tage to open batting in the future. Campbell pices me off with how he gets out in the high 30s but at least with Paint on 14 and Campbell on 36 after 20 overs there is a 50 on the board for the 1st wicket. With a Braff and Tage we may be one down with 20 on the board often. Just my 2 pennies worth. Unless we will be playing to draw a Test matches.

In reply to mikesiva

You can caution all you wish...

Lil BRAVO crumbled under the INTERNATIONAL weight of being called Baby Lara.

It will be up to TAGE himself to be prepared for it all- The MOB will push him to satisfy them ...or else.

sad...but true.

In reply to Scar

if by that you mean 36,37,38,39

John has only gotten there once yea 1 time in 38 knocks

good to see Campbell actually put up his hand to bat..happy for him..it longgggggg overdue, let's hope that this is only the beginning of him stepping up..

Campbell will not do well in Australia. IN fact not much will do well in Australia.

Better for us to expose young Tage now to toughen him up.

I only seeing POSSIBLY BLACKWOOD ( they better call for Hetmyer) and the allrounders doing well in Australia: Holder Reifer Mayers....I sorry Rovman Powell dont play much FC CRICKET.

Australian pace bowlers will laugh at the pokers!

In reply to analyst-kid

I am in the camp that says THREE of them will be there including Campbell.

Australia is more than a decent Benchmark for Young Tage and a good marker for John to see if his mental work has been fruitful.

In reply to powen001

Tage ain’t young .. neither is Campbell and the rest.. we are introducing a bunch of hard back men regularly .. it’s a shame .. players should be into the mix by age 25...
yup we have seen some exceptions globally but it is not the norm..
When guys over 25 get introduced and hang around for a few years .. the real youngsters get shut out and they have to wait till 25 plus..
Our cricket is suffering because of that.
Campbell is NOT TEST STANDARD... and here is reason ...
You don’t change your slash and kill attitude if you are talented..reinventing at age 26 just don’t work..
Tage is past it.. he too has been reinventing ...
We shall see but we better find some decent batsmen quickly..
Our bowling will do well in Ozzieland..
Seales Roach Al Jo Paul Mayers..
Be brave sign off on Campbell now

In reply to CITYBOY
The main problem with players over 25 years in the region, is the limited amount of first class matches played.
A number of Aussies are over 30 years when selected, and has done well.
Tiger was about 27-29 years when he fired Butch Harmon and revamp his entire swing, he had already won a number of tournament, especially majors.

In reply to analyst-kid

You can certainly chat Shoite sometimes. Why don’t you go and do the govt job instead of doing people taxes which isn’t your job?

In reply to openning

Good morning. The golfers you mentioned “”Tried to improve to get to a higher level and stay competitive “...in spite of winning lots of tournaments and millions of dollars..that’s called maximizing my talents for the highest returns
The over 30 from Ozzieland is maybe 2 players..
Our over the age gang “”PROUDLY SPORTING AN AVERAGE UNDER 25”.. FIRST CLASS and take that to the test arena CANNOT AND WILL NEVER MOVE THE NEEDLE..
Them too old and old people set in their own ways ..
If you can’t improve your average once you get into first class set up then sorry CRICKET IS NOT FOR YOU.. bring in the next candidate ..
It don’t matter if you play 1 or 100 first class matches. If your average is 23 then just move on.

In reply to sudden

So you think competing against Aus in Aus easy?

Show me the pokers that do well against Aus in Aus or SA in SA or NZ in NZ


I will bookmark this and be on your case Sudden.. I talking Shoite nuh..U think Aus in Aus easy?

In reply to analyst-kid

cos you call yuhself Kid Site dont mean you have any foresight yuh know. how you know that Tage would do better than Soup in Oz?

In reply to sudden

You supposed to be an educated lawyer...you cannot argue Tage against Campbell

Campbell avg 32 against Bang, 24. against Eng, 12 against Ind 27.50 vs NZ and 17 vs Sri Lanka He avg 25.27 overall and 21.07 away.

Campbell so far is a failure. You are arguing Campbell would do better against Australia of all teams in Australia than Tage.

A stupid argument.

Australia is one of the top Four bowling sides in the World esp in their home conditions.

wHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS THAT BOTH WOULD FAIL BUT TAGE CAN SUPRISE US....I CERTAINLY DONT EXPECT NO SURPRISES FROM CAMPBELL AGAINST AUS IN AUS

But it doesnt take much for an opener to do better than Campbell. GO TAGE!

In reply to analyst-kid

What you have submitted takes us nowhere.

You are contending that becos Soup has a low average so far, that Tage with no average (has not played tests yet) would fare better in Oz.

You have offered no reasonable argument for so stating except the above: Soup’s average v Tage’s inexperience or rather unknown quality.

If that makes sense to you you could as well take the antigen test before you go on stage in the tent and shut yuh bloody mout

In reply to sudden

My point is the point all selectors make.

A NEW PLAYER with no experience coming in at the expense of a failure. According to you Sobers,Richards,Lara should never had played as they is no reasonable argument to support Lara for example in front Arthurton. Haynes should not have gotten the nod over Bacchus.

There is no reasonable argument you can bring to support a newbie over a failure other than u cannot keep with the failure.....that is why I said in the context of cricket history....it is a stupid argument.

In reply to analyst-kid

Man you are one good idiot as they say in Bim.

Ever since you went on Cupid complaining bout how yuh wife left yuh yuh have been talking Shoite


It is you who said Tage will do better in Oz than Soup becos he is new. Becos he is new and Soup’s average is low is not a serious argument cos it is speculation that can be defeated or at least rebutted by other speculation viz. becos Soup has more experience it is reasonable that he would do better than Tage.

I will give you an out. Perhaps you should argue that Tage’s style of batting or shot selection lends itself better to Oz’s conditions than Soup’s. And even that is arguable.

You went so far as to say Oz bowlers will laugh at the pokers

Isn’t Tage a poker?

Please indicate Where I said Tage will do better in Oz than Campbell because he is new.


I SAID MOST LIKELY BOTH WILL FAIL but Tage might surprise you. Campbell will not surprise against Australia.

What experience does Campbell has to show averaging below 30?

stewwwwpse....you is one good idiot indeed...go ahead and continue with your stupid personal references.

In reply to sudden

What are you even trying to argue?

Campbell has pretty much failed consistently across his career. This last 50 will probably give him a few more matches but that's it.

When someone fails, someone else is brought in to replace the incumbent failure. That someone else, if he hasn't played cricket, is picked on potential and domestic form, records and some intangibles

Hence the argument for Tage. The man's been in good form, has a recent run of good scores in domestic cricket, and has been rated as someone with potential. Since he hasn't played tests, you can't compare his non existent average with Campbell's poor average.

Whether he succeeds or fails, time will tell. But not picking him to replace a proven failure doesn't quite make sense

That said, Campbell just got a 50 and knowing our management, they will give him another 5 tests. And that would be detrimental, since apart from delaying tage's introduction to test cricket, j doubt it'll achieve much

In reply to analyst-kid

You said this

and then asked this. really kid?

In reply to brians_da_best

So, yuh vex or just disappointed?

In reply to brians_da_best

now that is a better argument but even that has issues.

changing players is no guarantee the new player will do better especially in the present WI environment.

and statistically speaking Tage could do worse than Campbell.

also remember in the WI, the best player is the next player until he plays

In reply to CITYBOY


Boy you ROUGH!!!

ha ha ha ha

Opening s point about what they are exposed to around age 25 is key..moving to the next level of development honestly is gonna be on them to get exposed to better and higher standards.

Mental maturity is now finding its place an the skill sets should be on show...

however...they tend to stagnate...but oops...here comes the IPL etc..

its not as cut an dry as it seems...

In reply to sudden

Obviously there is no guarantee.

Are you thick and stupid?

By your logic we should persist with failures forever since there is no guarantee a new player would do better.

Failures need to make way for new players who potentially could do better, based on their domestic record, potential and other tangibles and intangibles.

By your logic, we would have persisted with mediocre players just because we didn't know Brian Lara would / could do better.

You're really losing whatever little logic you have while defending Campbell.

I'm can understand why selectors might give Campbell getting a few games given his 50 but he has failed miserably at this level and might also be keeping a deserving player out