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has been so for quite some time. They are coming off a odi series win in SA....something the WI have not done since 92/93,when walsh, ambi, lara, dessie, big phil and bishop were the chief destroyers. We have not come even close to replicating that win in that country since. Give bangladesh some credit. Its ten odis straight we've lost to them stretching back to the boy scout days of Holder. I didn't expect us to beat them in the ODIs. To lose this pathetically, no. But beat them i thought would have been difficult

check how many of them play FC cricket. That is what's making the difference

In reply to Jumpstart

This is so true, it is time we face reality and realise that our ODI team is poor. It has been this way for ages. The fact that we had to play a qualifying tournament to participate in an ODI World Cup speaks volumes. To make matters worse, we lost to Afghanistan in the final of the aforementioned. Furthermore, we were beaten by Ireland in our backyard and started getting excited when we clean swept the Netherlands. Well the wake up call was the one from Pakistan and now Bangladesh. Barring rain in the final ODI, Bangladesh will clean sweep this team. In my humble opinion, this team should be considered a minnow.

In reply to Windiesfan78
Don't be fooled by Jumpy "Not Dinas". This is an excuse thread because Trinis are in charge of the WI team. Note the point that we were a bad ODI team before the Trinis took control. But you should ask Jumpy about his predictions after a "real coach" (Phil) and a "real captain" (Polly) took the reins.

If Big Jase was still captain and Carlos Brathwaite was still around, Not Dinas would be in full fire-and-brimstone mode

In reply to Walco

Mmmmmmmmm.

Jumpy is out, caught in the slips.

In reply to Walco

My thoughts exactly! Plus SA is nowhere near the team of the 90s!

start by understanding one day and t20 are not the same thing and if you succeed in one does not mean you will succeed in the other something the wi selectors need to think about when selecting these teams king and shepherd are struggling in this format powell is a hit and miss and i'm not still convinced by brooks high one day average that he is permanent fixture in wi cricket

i would like to see blackwood in this oneday side and holder will be back hopefully for the india series

In reply to Walco

, I don't believe it matters who is the captain. This team is rubbish when it comes to ODIs. The whole system is doomed to fail under our current structure.

In reply to velo

This is what I don't understand. Blackwood is worth a try and I think Campbell could have been given a chance (before he got into trouble). Imagine Campbell has a one day century but can't get one in tests. Check his average in ODIs.

In reply to Walco

mate, you are so right.

Not Dinas has the audacity to call JHo a boy scout whilst not bothering to describe Poo's performance or captaincy. if it is difficult to be worse than JHo, Poo is making it look easy

In reply to sudden

You beat me to the reference of 'boy Scout'. Jumpy gone from his own posting.

In reply to sudden

And pollard's record was as bad as Jason's? Beat SL in SL, beat england in a series we were widely expected to lose, beat SL in both t20s and ODIs last year. Speaking of which, has Holder ever won an ODI series versus a full ICC member? The one tri series he was actually competitive in was with a side dominated by excellent performances by trini players....pollard and sunil narine in the first game vs sa, bravo and ramdin against SA again, a hundred by the Icon and a fiver from Shannon gabriel to knock SA out. And even then his awful captaincy managed to lose us the final. Then in the world cup, he and vice boy scout RTN(and floyd) telling the world they're going to bounce out every team after the first game of the 2019 world cup vs pakistan.....giving every side our strategy so that bangladesh chased 300+ just hooking the short ball.....bushes for brains on fleek


The fact that you're passing judgement on pooran after two series, one against a team currently ranked second on the World cup qualification table, indicates you have some standards......that jason and RTN's captaincy was so incompetent that it embarrasses even you....congrats

In reply to StumpCam

This is not the same SA team that battered India across three odis earlier this year.....the same india that is currently battering the defending champions in their backyard? You really thought about what you wrote before you posted it?

In reply to Windiesfan78

I agree, but don't say that to Not Dinas. He was pompasettin (a bajan word) all over this board about how Polly (a real captain) and Phil (a real coach) were going to lead us to the promised land. Now it appears her has eaten some humble-pie, although his attacks on bajan players will never end. Poor fella ...

In reply to sudden

BOOM!!!

In reply to Walco

We became a bad side after jason took over. I make no apologies for saying that. The year before holder was given the captaincy, we were drawing odi series with Baz Mccullum's NZ side in NZ.....with an innovative captain in Dwayne Bravo. We gave india real problems in india before cameron spoiled the tour. We were a very good odi team until cameron purged the team and gave the captaincy to the willing hands of chief scout holder

In reply to Jumpstart
Make up yuh mind man. Did we become a bad ODI team because of Big Jase or Cameron? And how do you think Big Bravo would do with this current group of players?

In reply to Walco

both.....holder was more than willing to take the captaincy

In reply to Jumpstart
So you expected Holder to get the same results that Big Bravo got after the team was "purged"? Say it ain't so Jumpy

In reply to Jumpstart

You are so insular it’s amazing… blame everyone that’s not Trini…Hooper really had a vision in identifying future bad apple/s

In reply to Walco

not at all.....but it says something about him that he was more than willing to captain a squad that was so obviously second string

In reply to WestDem

Says one of two people trying to convince us that Carl Hooper was an allrounder....and not just an immensely talented batsman who fell unforgivingly short of a quarter of the standards he was expected to reach
too bad he didn't have the vision to raise his average above 40

In reply to Jumpstart

I knew the mention of Hooper would hit the nail on de head! Hooper record speak for themselves…

In reply to WestDem

it does.....
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This documentary says it all

In reply to Jumpstart

what a load of bollocks. but that is typical you.

In reply to sudden

ohhhhh that struck a nerve

In reply to Jumpstart

of course not, it is not the first time you employed that strategy when you are caught, and unable to swallow your own spit you spout shoite.

how is Poo's captaincy so far?

In reply to sudden

batting wise its poor. To be dismissed by any odi team for just over 100 is symptomatic of serious issues. And pooran can't help them because he plays as much first class cricket as the rest of the batting lineup......which is virtually none.

I said earlier that pooran needs a season of fc cricket ASAP. Not necessarily in the WI because i believe that will make him worse, but certainly a county contract or something

In reply to Jumpstart

that is batting wise. i have little issue with what you say


what about his captaincy?

In reply to sudden

his captaincy as in....his field placings, his use of bowlers etc? Indeterminable as yet.......you can't make an adequate judgement when you're defending max 130......the match is not going down to the wire unless the wicket is a midfield

In reply to Jumpstart

i dont agree. that is the best judge of captaincy in my opinion. and by that i dont mean that one has to win but it is rather, in those circumstances, how one loses.

be that as it may, how about his loud comment, "that is 2 in a row", referring to misfields or something so, by Powell, i believe it was.

In reply to Jumpstart
Am not been following closely... Don't the time.
Are any of Banga test players in their ODI squad...?

In reply to Jumpstart

That is an excellent interview with Sir Carl. Two thumbs up emoji.

In reply to imusic

I agree with music on this. By the way, Hoops reminds me of another batsman who was also a joy to watch when he was in form. Marlon Samuels never reached his potential either.

In reply to imusic

it is. think it was during his days with Kent CCC, so it must be around 94-95......dude's timing was out of this world

In reply to Cricket_101

i think only mahmudullah wasn't in the test squad because he retired from the format last year. most of the team plays test cricket

They R better but the gap is too wide

In reply to Brerzerk

dem fellas need to play FC cricket. Cameron and Browne's practice of separating the teams by format cost the odi team dearly

In reply to Jumpstart

Who else are you going to use as an excuse

In reply to Jumpstart

Thanks for the info... And we wonder why they gave us a good old fashion whopping...

as children, we would get licks to make us do better. Maybe .......???????

In reply to sudden

hoss if you too blinkered by rabid nationalism to see the obvious, then you are beyond help.....im sure you're one of the dudes who boycotted the SA test because cummins wasn't picked when he clearly wasn't a test standard bowler

In reply to Jumpstart

There are some other names you usually mention but we still have time

In reply to sudden

oh i know there are more.......de amount of stars allyuh tell us was going to be groundbreaking talent and turned out to be enormous disappointments.....i rate holder though.....he turned himself from a quite mediocre player into a very good player

In reply to sudden
There are at least two bajan names that so far are conspicuous in their absence from this thread, but they will pop up eventually. No matter the topic Jumpy always retreats to defending Trinis and attacking Bajans. It's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

In reply to Jumpstart

What foolishness is this Jumpy? Name the "allyuh" who said this. You are the only person I can remember referring to a star captain and star coach achieving "groundbreaking" results in white ball cricket going forward.

In reply to Walco

now we may get to the names unmentioned thus far as Not Dinas diverts from answering your question.

LOL ... if every team better than us is expected to beat us then what's the point of even competing?

Teams move up the ranking because they have to and do beat higher ranked teams. WI have to do so much better than they are right now to be taken seriously...

ODI #9
Test #8
T20 #7 - We are supposed to be the circus king --- yet!!!

In reply to Walco

i remember when fire in babylon did come out.....and a a whole set of BCA supporters said Holder was such a good pacer(pacer?) and then i saw him in the 2013 CT20 with CCC and the dude was a spinner in a hurry. Sudden has been saying for years that at some point in his history, RTN was quick......nobody else outside ever remembers that......and even the Warwickshire supporters on twitter have been saying they hope the club does not bring him back next year for the t20 blast. Just like in the 90s when the news out of the island was that floyd reifer was so easy on the eye.....and then we saw a player totally unsuited for international cricket. The one dude who ironically was very good, Mr Fidel Edwards, was picked by a certain santa cruz left hander who was extremely impressed with him and who destroyed Sri Lanka with breathtaking pace and won us the game

Correction,

Wondies is a worse ODI Team than Bangy.

You need good to reach better.
Both teams bad.

In reply to TanteMerle

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the rankings disagree with you

In reply to Jumpstart

So you honestly believe that Bangs is a better team than
Ozzies,
Kiwis,
Paks,
Hindis,
Saffies

Interesting.

I restate my point.

Bangy bad.

In reply to TanteMerle

Bangladesh didn't beat SA in SA two months ago? The same SA that whitewashed india a month before that?

In reply to Jumpstart

I said, before his on field collision with Floyd Reifer, I think it was, that Ricky was faster. Please don’t attribute to me what I didn’t say. I don’t shy away from what I have stated.

However, that is not your gripe with Ricky and we both know it. As cappo, you or the former WIPA head honcho if you are not the same, tried to get him to undermine CWI by doing certain things that you recommended, isn’t that so?

As for JHo, I have always thought and still maintain, he is a bit and pieces cricketer

In reply to sudden

ricky was never quick.....he is tall and the pitches in FC cricket were beyond poor until Cameron stressed improvements a few years ago, so that probably explains the wickets he took in the early 2010s.....and the fact that the fc competition was never played by first string west indian players. I don't have any grouse with RTN other than the fact that he's talentless and was dead weight on WI teams when holder and the boy scout brigade were in authority.

In reply to Jumpstart

You forget I was in the area when a certain BCA executive cuss yuh rass about it and yuh started stuttering and ran off

In reply to sudden

I'm absolutely certain we've never met.....I've never been to barbados. or any other caribbean islands other than two ......both as a child