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Guyana's All Time Test Eleven

 
nitro 2022-07-19 21:25:24 

Based on my favorite daytime sports show on KLAS

Fredricks
Kalicharan
Sarwan
Kanhai
Shiv
Lloyd
Pydana (only keeper familiar to me)
Bishoo
Croft
Gibbs
King

 
Chrissy 2022-07-19 22:27:23 

In reply to nitro
Kanhai

John Trim should have had a better run and I think Robert Christiani could compete with Pydanna.

 
CITYBOY 2022-07-19 22:56:45 

Never heard of Uncle Joe???
Nagamootoo in front of Bishop

 
Dukes 2022-07-19 23:04:23 

In reply to nitro

1. Roy Fredericks
2. Rohan Kanhai
3.Ramnaresh Sarwan
4.Alvin Kallicharran
5. Clive Lloyd (capt)
6. Shiv Chanderpaul
7.Geoff Murray (wkpr)
8.John Trim RF
9. Colin Croft RF
10. Lance Gibbs OB
11. Edwin Mohammed SLA
12. Roger Harper

Notable omissions
1.Stephen Camacho
2..Robert Christiani
3.Bruce Pairaudeau
4.Carl Hooper
5..Reon King
6.Andrew Lyght
7. Clayton Lambert
8.Linden Joseph
9.Davendra Bishoo

 
sudden 2022-07-19 23:07:22 

In reply to Dukes

Where is Walcott
And Berkeley Gaskin

 
openning 2022-07-19 23:33:19 

In reply to Dukes
What about Basil Butcher?

 
Chrissy 2022-07-19 23:36:57 

In reply to Dukes
Agree with the notable omissions

 
doosra 2022-07-19 23:49:22 

In reply to openning

What about Basil Butcher?


A cyah believe me eyes big grin

 
tc1 2022-07-19 23:51:13 

In reply to openning


Dukes in trouble

lol

 
sudden 2022-07-19 23:53:39 

In reply to doosra

Too much boating big grin

 
doosra 2022-07-19 23:54:33 

In reply to sudden

weh denoke deh? lol

 
WestDem 2022-07-20 00:03:30 

No Hooper? What a shame!

 
VoopsandOut 2022-07-20 00:07:12 

In reply to WestDem

Double shame for no Butcher or even the chap who ran out the final batsman in the famous tied test, whose name now slips me.

 
WestDem 2022-07-20 00:08:52 

In reply to VoopsandOut

Joe Salomon!

 
WestDem 2022-07-20 00:11:17 

In reply to VoopsandOut

Joe Salomon! Probably fcuk his last name

 
CITYBOY 2022-07-20 00:17:10 

Solomon ... ( I think he is in NY ).
But other
Len Baicham
And Ramanarace ( good all rounder)

Guy had some good players. It was them and B dos ..

Bacchus double hundred
And Timur M ... the man who could had been

 
Dukes 2022-07-20 00:19:55 

In reply to doosra

I completely forgot Uncle Basil.My problem is how does one drop Kallicharran whose batting average was almost 50 before his batting went south.
This is too hard. I give up.

 
doosra 2022-07-20 00:28:46 

In reply to Dukes

wait you want keep Sars over Kali? big grin

Kali was 50 after 50 tests

 
doosra 2022-07-20 00:32:25 

Freddo
Babu
Kali
Butch
Baichan
Solomon

Not a bad Berbice line up

 
CITYBOY 2022-07-20 00:34:43 

In reply to doosra

Don’t forget Hetty ..

 
CITYBOY 2022-07-20 00:36:05 

No respect for Ovid G our beloved keeper ??

 
tc1 2022-07-20 02:23:24 

In reply to Dukes


is this the same Murray that dropped Sobie, or it was Jackman.

 
nitro 2022-07-20 02:28:55 

In reply to WestDem

I wanted Hooper, more than any other batsman, to succeed. The first time I saw him bat, I think it was the English spinner Emburey who was bowling. The English commies were arguing that Richards, who was his partner, should protect him. Hooper proceeded to clobber him.

Alas I ended up cussing him more than praising him. Hooper could have been great. The guy never looked bothered by any bowler yet found a way to get out.

 
Dukes 2022-07-20 13:13:57 

In reply to tc1

is this the same Murray that dropped Sobie, or it was Jackman.

That was Sydney Jackman. Lance made sure he never played for Guyana again after that tour. LOL

 
VoopsandOut 2022-07-20 17:56:33 

pretty solid XI from Guyana but perhaps a little weak in the bowling department compared to a JA or Bim or even Leewards all time XI but full of really good batsmen esp in the middle order

 
openning 2022-07-20 18:40:24 

In reply to VoopsandOut

pretty solid XI from Guyana but perhaps a little weak in the bowling department

Nitro was the only poster I took seriously, the others was just a group of names.
Who are the two best openers?
The batting positions
Allrounder
Wicketkeeper
Bowlers
That how an Alltime X1 is decided

 
Seechy 2022-07-20 20:02:35 

1. Fredericks
2. Sarwan
3. Kanhai
4. Kallicharan
5. Chanderpaul
6. Lloyd (c)
7. Hooper
8. Pydanna (wk)
9. Trim
10. Croft
11. Gibbs

 
hubert 2022-07-20 21:06:45 

Since the topic is Guyana's Test Eleven
I will venture to say the most difficult thing is the other opening slot. Guyana had has one outstanding opener Freddo but
Camacho also did duties.It is inevitable that the other spot will have to occupied by one of the many talented
specialist middle order batsman.
My choice is Carl Hooper. He is too good player,despite his career average,not be in the eleven .Plus he can bowl bit and a helluva catcher at slips too.
Some good player such as Butcher could miss out. So too Sarwan as the number four spot for me is either Sarwan or Kallicharran. My preference is Kalli.
Another vexed position is wickekeeper.Pydanna does not fit the bill as I can't recall him playing a Test.So too Red Murrqay. Robert Christiani only did
minimal service as a back up.
So it comes down to the highly thought of Cyril Christiani of the 1930s,CLifford McWatt who played at least 5 Tests or Ivor Mendonca who played only two but a superior batsman.
I go for the last named who could also be pressed to open in a pinch as he did at domestic level.
As for bowlers,Guyana has produced three quality pacer,Croft,King and John Trim. All three make it for me with Toothpick who does
not need any help as the lone specialist spinner.

Fredericks
Hooper
Kanhai
Kallicharran
Chanderpaul
Lloyd(captain)
Mendonca
Trim
King
Croft
Gibbs

Sarwan as 12th.
I think the attack is good the batting quality should give them more than enough to defend against the best.
Throw no stones now smile

 
Chrissy 2022-07-20 21:59:09 

In reply to doosra
There is no Berbice side without John Trim

 
CricSham 2022-07-20 21:59:48 

In reply to Dukes
Dukes Shiv cannot make that 11. Butcher Solomon Hooper ahead of him any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Give me a break

 
doosra 2022-07-20 22:02:33 

In reply to Chrissy

Correct is right

That was my top 6 batters big grin

 
VIX 2022-07-20 22:02:41 

No Beaton?

 
doosra 2022-07-20 22:03:12 

In reply to CricSham

What grade are you on sham big grin

 
CricSham 2022-07-20 23:15:53 

[b]In reply to doosra[/b
Sorry never finish high school

 
Arlo 2022-07-20 23:21:27 

In reply to hubert


Good XI you have there Hubert. Well balanced considering the lack of a 2nd quality opener. Hooper's test average as an opener is actually almost the same as his overall batting average, even though he only opened 6 times.

 
CricSham 2022-07-23 13:20:38 

In reply to Dukes
You don’t have to drop Kalli Drop Chandrapaul he does not deserve a place in that lineup. Kanhai at 3 Kalli at 4 Lloyd at 5 and the allrounder (Hooper) at 6.

 
doosra 2022-07-23 13:24:15 

In reply to CricSham

i will repeat, what grade of bad weed are you on big grin

 
Curtis 2022-07-23 13:24:26 

In reply to CricSham

You are appropriately named if you think Shiv Tiger Chanderpaul should not be in an all Guyana side.

 
CricSham 2022-07-23 13:30:51 

In reply to Curtis
You have a right to your choice as I, mine. But pray tell who will he replace in that middle order of Kanhai, Kalli, Lloyd?

 
Narper 2022-07-23 14:47:42 

In reply to CricSham

Every year we go through this exercise of picking the best all time Guyana IX...and I have been on this board for close to 20 years....so its basically from the same pool of players we pick...and these players are the ole time greats...players before the 80s

It's so sad only Hooper, Shiv and Sarwan who could potentially be included from Guyanese players of the last 40 years.

 
Narper 2022-07-23 14:50:00 

In reply to CricSham

In reply to Dukes
Dukes Shiv cannot make that 11. Butcher Solomon Hooper ahead of him any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Give me a break

You are dead wrong here.
And this does not merit further discussion.

 
Curtis 2022-07-23 15:14:17 

In reply to CricSham

Shiv would bat 6.

 
StumpCam 2022-07-23 15:20:44 

In reply to Narper

Don’t be so dismissive, CricSham is one of IdiAdmin’s pals! lol lol

 
CricSham 2022-07-23 15:37:22 

In reply to Curtis
# 6 is the allrounder 7 the keeper and 4 bowlers. It’s unfortunate there is no place for him the same for Butcher Solomon Sarwan.

 
CricSham 2022-07-23 15:40:26 

In reply to Narper
Narper there are three spots in the middle order taken by Rohan Alvin Clive. The only way Shiv can make that team he has to replace one of them. Take your pick.

 
WestDem 2022-07-23 17:47:04 

In reply to CricSham

You ever play cricket?

 
bird 2022-07-23 17:49:45 

In reply to nitro
what about Basil Butcher he all class

 
CITYBOY 2022-07-23 19:05:00 

In reply to CricSham

Answer Westdem...
No team mythical or not Guyanese or West Indies can leave out Shiv .. for your benefit .. cricket involves 2 teams and the teams have to make runs( please google so you can understand a bit more)
And whilst on google search Shiv runs .. plain and simple .. SHIV is a run machine and with an average of over 50 his name goes first ..
Unless you think 50 is lower than 40

 
Arlo 2022-07-23 20:08:44 

In reply to Narper

20 years Narps? you been on this mb a long time. Aren't you tired of trying to pick an all time Guyana XI by now?

 
Narper 2022-07-23 20:19:20 

In reply to Arlo

20 years Narps? you been on this mb a long time. Aren't you tired of trying to pick an all time Guyana XI by now?

Real tired...but it is fun and I have had fun...and I don't want to spoil the fun others are having..

I have not attempted to pick a team this time around

 
Narper 2022-07-23 20:22:16 

In reply to StumpCam

Don’t be so dismissive, CricSham is one of IdiAdmin’s pals!

I know Cricsham here
Maybe this is the first time I have disagreed with him
There is no hard feelings here
Cricsham is my boy ....he writes great cricket articlessmile smile

 
Narper 2022-07-23 20:32:24 

In reply to CricSham

Butcher Solomon Hooper ahead of him any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Give me a break

What is the basis of your pronouncement here....certainly not stats....value to team and longevity.
Narper there are three spots in the middle order taken by Rohan Alvin Clive. The only way Shiv can make that team he has to replace one of them. Take your pick.

Making the final XI ....could be a toss up with Kalli....and even tho I liked Kalli a lot....Shiv will trump over Kalli....based on stats. longevity and value to team

 
WestDem 2022-07-23 22:09:01 

In reply to Narper

Cricshame is a failed journalist. He never played any cricket to understand a test player contribution…I guess Shiv diss him in NY…

 
Arlo 2022-07-23 22:10:36 

In reply to Narper

This is my first go round picking a Guyana team on here. I have had these discussions in the past though. I cannot settle on a final XI for obvious reasons.
So my XI so far

1. Roy Fredericks
2. Carl Hooper
3. Rohan Kanhai
4. Alvin Kallicharan
5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
6. Clive Lloyd (c)
7. Clifford McWatt (wk)
8. John Trim
9. Colin Croft
10. Reon King
11. Lance Gibbs

My top 6 is set. Also Croft and Gibbs. It is just 3 spots that I find hard to fill.
The wicket keeping spot. I decided to go with McWatt. I took his batting record into consideration
For the other 2 bowling spots one of King and Trim have to be there. I considered Harper for the 4th bowling spot but then decided to go with both Trim and King as Gibbs and Hooper are already there to bowl off spin.

Hooper makes my team ahead of Basil Butcher as Hooper will be the 5th bowler and his test average as opener is close to his overall test average. So Hooper will be the other opener.

 
Kay 2022-07-23 22:44:53 

In reply to Narper

Cricsham is my boy ....he writes great cricket articles

I understand you want to tap him on the back but you are tapping too hard man ....smile

 
WestDem 2022-07-23 22:45:06 

In reply to Arlo

My best Guyana test team!

1. Roy Fredericks
2. Faoud Bacchus
3. Rohan Kanhai (wk)
4. Alvin Kallicharan
5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
6. Clive Lloyd (c)
7. Carl Hooper
8. Neil McGarell
9. Colin Croft
10. Reon King
11. Lance Gibbs

Now me guh get beat from that QC scholar…

 
CricSham 2022-07-23 22:45:08 

In reply to Narper
Narps your knowledge of the game is too well to talk about statistics in evaluating the true value of a player. Just to give you an example shiv is the “losingest” batsman in test cricket but It would be wrong to hold that in evaluating him. If we go by stats in a world 11 Kallis will always be picked ahead of Gary Sobers.
Kalli and Shiv is not even a discussion. Kalli is heads and shoulders above him looking at game situations and the opposition. But that is just my opinion I could be right or I could be wrong.

 
Arlo 2022-07-23 23:20:53 

In reply to WestDem

Kanhai was before my time, so I never saw him keep. Is he such a good keeper to make an all time Guyana XI as the keeper?

 
StumpCam 2022-07-23 23:27:45 

In reply to WestDem

That’s a boss team! cool

 
XDFIX 2022-07-24 00:24:27 

In reply to Dukes


Put some respect on Carl Llewelyn Hooper's name!

 
mikelegend 2022-07-24 03:54:17 

Question for Guyanese: Was Reon King better than Leslaine Lambert, Lyndon Joseph and Ray Joseph? I know King played tests and the others didn’t, but…

 
WestDem 2022-07-24 04:00:17 

In reply to mikelegend

Leslaine was the best of all those…

 
mikelegend 2022-07-24 04:03:28 

In reply to WestDem

Saw him bowl…just came at the wrong time. Saw Linden Joseph bowling Lara at QPO as well, he was quick!

 
WestDem 2022-07-24 04:21:56 

In reply to mikelegend

Played against both and Leslaine was the toughest to me!

 
netgrouchy 2022-07-24 08:14:46 

In reply to WestDem

lol lol lol razz razz razz

 
mikelegend 2022-07-24 10:13:26 

In reply to WestDem

Played against both and Leslaine was the toughest to me!


Awesome experience. There were some seriously good bowlers in the region around that time that didn’t make it to the highest level.

 
googley 2022-07-24 11:30:01 

In reply to WestDem

you skunt lose all credibility when you pick my fren Faoud in the best Guyana team! Doan even mention your McGarell pick!! lol

 
StumpCam 2022-07-24 12:15:18 

In reply to WestDem

I saw Leslaine wrecked the Tits at Albion in 1983. Pace and bounce, think he took like 8 for little. Might have been Simmons debut match or season.

 
Curtis 2022-07-24 14:02:48 

Ok, let's name our all-time Case Cup team, that might be easier.

Some names to consider like:
Neblett
Ramnarace
Glasgow's
Sewnaraine
Etwaroo
Mcrae
Waithe
Etc.

 
StumpCam 2022-07-24 14:08:32 

In reply to Curtis

That’s a ‘70s team! lol lol
Do they still play Case Cup, if not when did it end???

 
Curtis 2022-07-24 14:37:16 

In reply to StumpCam

Nowadays is more like Case of beers
lol lol lol