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2022-08-06 18:26:13
2022-08-06 18:41:01
Just saw him in pavilion with an el Dorado 15 yr old
2022-08-06 19:35:21
In reply to sudden
Ah was letting the jackasses bray first.
The brains trust of WI cricket are first rate idiots.They have no vision, no planning and are doomed to fail because of their lack of imagination,perseverance and clarity of thought.
We have a poor team so we have to maximize what we have.
There is no doubt in my mind that the 2 best batsmen in the West Indies in white ball cricket are Pooran and Hetmyer.
Particularly in T 20 cricket they must bat # 3 and # 4.
'The fact that they have not been doing that is a sad indictment of the sagacity of those running WI cricket.
Dr. Haynes started the nonsense when he declared that Hetty is the Finisher.That demonstrates his profound misunderstanding of T 20 cricket and his failure to understand that with such a weak batting line up, you can not afford to put one of your best batsmen as a finisher because the others have clearly demonstrated that they CAN NOT START!!!!!.
Hetty has ended up batting with the tail with 5 or 6 wickets down and all is already lost.From the very beginning of this series I said that he and Pooran should be batting 3 and 4 so this is not Monday morning talk.
Some might say it would not make a difference but I say it gives us the best chance to win.
I also note the tendency of both those in charge and those on this board to make decisions based on a single performance.
McCoy takes 6-17 and all of a sudden Indians can't play left arm seamers, so they bring in Drakes.Mind you he probably should have been in the team before but the fact that he was not and brought in following McCoy's record breaking spell, strongly suggests that.
Now in this match,Thomas did well the other day so he is slotted in as # 3 immediately after!!!!. It is a joke.
The INCOMPETENCE is STAGGERING for so-called thinkers of the game.
They keep talking about left and right combinations but if you can not bat it matters not whether you are a rightie or leftie!!!!
Maybe they should switch Hetty and Mayers!!!
At least that shows a willingness to use one's gray matter!!!!!
2022-08-06 19:39:42
In reply to Dukes
I thought Dr Haynes picks the team and then the captain and coach determine the batting order.
2022-08-06 19:53:52
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I thought Dr Haynes picks the team and then the captain and coach determine the batting order.
If that was the case WHY did Dr. Haynes talk about finishing?????
If he has nothing to do with the batting order then he should have shut his mouth!!!.
Has any journalist asked whether he has anything to do with the batting order or are you just speculating?
Of course a mere outsider like me has no idea who makes what decisions in WI cricket except to say that when the SH1T hits the fan in the WC they will scatter like cockroaches and point blame elsewhere.
2022-08-06 19:58:58
In reply to Dukes
except to say that when the SH1T hits the fan in the WC
Wait what, WI going to WC!!!
Suckers for punishment I see
2022-08-06 20:04:23
In reply to Dukes
If he has nothing to do with the batting order then he should have shut his mouth!!!.
Has any journalist asked whether he has anything to do with the batting order or are you just speculating?
I am no more informed than you, I was just going by what has been the tradition. The selectors are not usually too hands on whilst the game is on
Has any journalist asked whether he has anything to do with the batting order or are you just speculating?
2022-08-06 20:06:13
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
they probably set the tone by picking the players they do
still the on the ground staff can make adjustments
whatever it is, they are getting Hetty wrong and I think it is affecting him more than they might think...don't let that smile fool you
2022-08-06 20:07:41
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If Dr. Haynes is at a press conference I would ask him if he as Chairman of the Selectors has any input in the batting order.
If he says no, then I would ask him if he feels that saying Hetty is our FINISHER gives the opposite impression.
2022-08-06 20:08:56
this started with pouty and simmons last year or whenever it was
then the whole fitness test shenanigans
and recently the parading of him and then the public announcement ' he has to pass a fitness test'
that imho is not how you manage a young raw talent...yea not when he doesn't really need you
2022-08-06 20:10:12
In reply to doosra
whatever it is, they are getting Hetty wrong and I think it is affecting him more than they might think.
Did you not hear his rather cryptic comment to Alex Jordan when she asked about him being the Finisher.His body language and tone suggested to me that he DOES NOT WANT TO BE A FINISHER BUT TO BAT IN THE TOP ORDER!!!!!
AND RIGHTLY SO!!!!!!
2022-08-06 20:12:27
In reply to Dukes
I complained about Hetmyer being used in this "finisher" role in IPL, not because I was delusional about the the priorities of the IPL but because I knew that that we (management and perhaps Hetty) would be foolish enough to think that should translate into his role for WI.
If he is not batting at 3 Hetymer should open the batting. He is the one batsman we have that is versatile enough to keep the score ticking over without taking undue risks. The fact he takes the risks anyway suggests he is buying into the finisher nonsense
2022-08-06 20:19:06
In reply to Logic
ipl teams got resources
2022-08-06 20:19:24
In reply to Dukes
oh i missed it
2022-08-06 20:22:28
In reply to doosra
You think the idiots will make him the "finisher" in the ODI XI too?
2022-08-06 20:25:35
In reply to Dukes
Finisher or not his batting is crap.
2022-08-06 20:30:44
In reply to sudden
Finisher or not his batting is crap.
Compared to whom? And that is the point.
2022-08-06 20:32:51
They obviously setting Hety up to fail...they have losers mentality...stupid set of people
2022-08-06 20:40:27
In reply to Dukes
There is no doubt in my mind that the 2 best batsmen in the West Indies in white ball cricket are Pooran and Hetmyer.
Particularly in T 20 cricket they must bat # 3 and # 4.
I agree but this team doesn't have good finisher and so Hetty is being sacrificed
2022-08-06 20:42:38
So his batting is crap becos they slotted him as finisher?
Didn’t he bat higher up in this series?
2022-08-06 20:46:11
In reply to sudden
you hang around fannatik too much
yuh all ova the place 
sniffing for bits and pieces to support an argument you already concluded on 
2022-08-06 20:47:34
In reply to doosra
Did he bat higher or not?
2022-08-06 20:48:25
sniffing for bits and pieces to support an argument you already concluded on
He is a troubled man; cannot see the wood for the trees.
2022-08-06 20:48:44
In reply to sudden
he batted 4 once
that is enough evidence?
to dismiss the argument that he should be playing as the finisher?
man man
2022-08-06 20:49:17
In reply to Sangfroid
don't say that about my good friend
2022-08-06 20:49:45
In reply to doosra
Conclusive, in his view. And of course, he avoids the relative argument.
2022-08-06 20:50:48
In reply to doosra
An off-day, I suppose.
2022-08-06 20:51:51
In reply to sudden
You are making sense,Hetty is what he is period.....
2022-08-06 20:52:55
In reply to doosra
Out of curiosity, he seems to have no problem being branded a finisher in IPL and is reasonably sucessful, so what is preventing him from doing it for West Indies?
2022-08-06 20:54:11
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Where did you get that? He was first assigned that role under Ponting. That's it.
2022-08-06 20:55:33
In reply to Sangfroid
....and that's not in the IPL?
2022-08-06 21:00:29
In reply to doosra
Come on Doosie. Don’t mind that other guy
2022-08-06 21:00:38
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
....and that's not in the IPL?
That is correct, which is an Indian tournament with Indian priorities. In other words, Hetmyer is merely a victim of the stereotype associated with West Indian batters. What matters here is Hetmyer's role in this West Indies team.
2022-08-06 21:03:10
In reply to Sangfroid
I have already argued that point. I agree with you but others here cuss me.
2022-08-06 21:04:13
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Out of curiosity, he seems to have no problem being branded a finisher in IPL and is reasonably sucessful, so what is preventing him from doing it for West Indies?
i thought you were on another thread arguing against this
2022-08-06 21:07:22
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I have already argued that point. I agree with you but others here cuss me.
This is really simple. If we agree that the best batters in a team should face the most balls in a T20 game, then Pooran and Hetmyer should bat anywhere from 1-4, no later. But the eediots that run the game have Thomas, Powell, and even Mayers ahead of them. This makes absolutely no sense to me.
2022-08-06 21:10:04
Both Hetty and Poorman have batted early and the results speak for themselves
2022-08-06 21:12:33
In reply to doosra
I have argued west indies should not be overly influenced by what IPL does to our players. I argued it destroyed the international careers of Pollard, Russell and now Powell, Pooran and Hetmeyer. I was told ipl could do what they like because the were paying the big bucks. That is true but either or both the players or admin have to deploy the resources to match our needs. We now have Pooran Powell and Hety jockeying to be the finisher of finishers. I suspect, but can't prove it that the players are comfortable with their ipl designation.
In this i was only asking then, why can't they even succeed in the finisher's role for west indies
2022-08-06 21:13:16
In reply to sudden
Both Hetty and Poorman have batted early and the results speak for themselves
You are part of the crew. What do you call early, and what is the sample you're relying on? I guess you also believe that the theatre of taking the knee before every f*&K%$g game makes a material difference in the world, and there is some objective end-point against which we can measure progress.
2022-08-06 21:14:06
In reply to sudden
They are confused and their homeboy supporters are as well..and are thrashing around for excuses.
2022-08-06 21:15:09
In reply to Sangfroid
Well said. Stereotyping and oir management makes it a self fulfilling prophecy rather than encourage Hetty to maximise his talent
2022-08-06 21:15:13
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
well he has not been set up to finish
think about it
he's coming it at an odd place...not close to the end, nor with enough people to bat around and set up an innings
that is the problem...if the top order is setting the game up and giving him overs 15 onwards for example...
2022-08-06 21:15:35
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Out of curiosity, he seems to have no problem being branded a finisher in IPL and is reasonably sucessful, so what is preventing him from doing it for West Indies?
After all the discussions about this topic you can still ask such a question, it means that there is absolutely no point in continuing a discussion on this matter.
2022-08-06 21:16:43
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
In this i was only asking then, why can't they even succeed in the finisher's role for west indies
Maybe the environment is different, perhaps they have different expectations. But all that is irrelevant given the needs of West Indies cricket.
2022-08-06 21:16:57
What a pile of horse doo doo being peddled here...
Today Hetty has no excuse ... absolutely no excuse..
He came in to bat at the end of 7 over.. with a healthy run rate of 9.
IN the grand scheme of things if he is slotted at 4 .. he ideally would like to be able to be in this situation .. 13 overs to go ..
His inability to make runs is not because of deemed a finisher .. it’s because he has regressed..
That Bishnoi put him is simply a joke.. for supposedly a world beater as Hetty ..
Where else can Hetty hide?? Maybe no 11
Hetty ain’t cutting it right now
2022-08-06 21:17:15
In reply to Dukes
There you go again.....man whenever you see fuzzywuzzy, just turn up yuh nose and guhlong. sheesh
2022-08-06 21:17:46
In reply to doosra
he's coming it at an odd place...not close to the end, nor with enough people to bat around and set up an innings
Precisely! Very good point!
2022-08-06 21:17:48
In reply to CITYBOY
dude
he came in today at what number and how many batters remaining?
so what is he suppose to do? bat thru the innings and finish it at the same time?
2022-08-06 21:19:27
nWhat a pile of horse doo doo being peddled here...
Today Hetty has no excuse ... absolutely no excuse..
He came in to bat at the end of 7 over.. with a healthy run rate of 9.
IN the grand scheme of things if he is slotted at 4 .. he ideally would like to be able to be in this situation .. 13 overs to go ..
His inability to make runs is not because of deemed a finisher .. it’s because he has regressed..
That Bishnoi put him is simply a joke.. for supposedly a world beater as Hetty ..
Where else can Hetty hide?? Maybe no 11
Hetty ain’t cutting it right now reply to CITYBOY[/b]
Today Hetty has no excuse ... absolutely no excuse..
He came in to bat at the end of 7 over.. with a healthy run rate of 9.
IN the grand scheme of things if he is slotted at 4 .. he ideally would like to be able to be in this situation .. 13 overs to go ..
His inability to make runs is not because of deemed a finisher .. it’s because he has regressed..
That Bishnoi put him is simply a joke.. for supposedly a world beater as Hetty ..
Where else can Hetty hide?? Maybe no 11
Hetty ain’t cutting it right now reply to CITYBOY[/b]
Amen CITYBOY!!!!!!
2022-08-06 21:20:40
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
you are speaking from both sides of your mouth...
when facts are presented you run
jeez
2022-08-06 21:20:52
In reply to doosra
if the top order is setting the game up and giving him overs 15 onwards for example...
We need poker Hope then? 
2022-08-06 21:21:38
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
no
you need to have an opinion and stop being like powen
2022-08-06 21:22:02
In reply to doosra
...and you could run along too sheesh
Wunnuh musse hurting real bad
2022-08-06 21:22:57
In reply to doosra
you need to have an opinion and stop being like powen big grin
It musse a Bajan ting
2022-08-06 21:23:11
In reply to doosra
No no Doosie. There were 4 down. Maybe he contributed to the downfall of others as he was not pulling his fighting weight..
I happen to think a batsman can bat at any slot ... if he goes at 4 that means 3 down already..
Hetty needs to put runs on the board .. i don’t care where he bats ..
But let’s see .. I had him to make a huge score today.. and it was set up .. but??
2022-08-06 21:23:29
In reply to CITYBOY
End of over number 7
Run rate required nines
You got it.
2022-08-06 21:23:33
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Guyana didn't lose anything
2022-08-06 21:24:13
In reply to CITYBOY
Maybe he contributed to the downfall of others
he mek the others that out before he , out?
allyuh funny man
2022-08-06 21:24:36
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If you do not understand that if you do not have starters you can not have finishers, then no meaningful discussions can take place.All teams except WI the two best batsmen bat in the top 4.
2022-08-06 21:28:21
In reply to Dukes
In one Match Brendan King got us of to a flyer. Kyle Mayers did in another. How many more stars you want?
2022-08-06 21:30:43
In reply to Dukes
Whether batting 3 or 4 or 5 or 6…
19 off 19 in a must win game??!
2022-08-06 21:30:53
In reply to Logic
Nonsense, before this impasse with Phil, Hetty has played plenty matches for WI. He has a history. Examine it
2022-08-06 21:31:58
In reply to Sangfroid
But I dont know you managed to rope in a swipe at taking the knee. That's quite a segue
2022-08-06 21:33:01
In reply to Logic
white privilege???
2022-08-06 21:36:56
I have had enough of Hety. He does not have the temperament nor skill to be a good long game cricketer let alone great.
My sample size and observation is more than enough to allow me to draw this conclusion. This guy is distracted too easily to ever be top notch.
2022-08-06 21:38:40
In reply to Courtesy
We getting on as though Hetty just started playing for WI
2022-08-06 21:39:17
In reply to Courtesy
well then they should not pick him
2022-08-06 21:40:12
In reply to doosra
They didn’t and unnuh kept bare noise and now
2022-08-06 21:40:23
In reply to sudden
Exactement...
This guy has been given more than enough opportunities to prove himself. He is nothing but an abject failure.
2022-08-06 21:41:12
In reply to sudden
you are all over the place
they should stick to what they believe and not pick him
you think fans pressure is the reason they pick him?
2022-08-06 21:41:33
In reply to sudden
Hetty is still a young man in West Indian terms. Bit early to be talking history. We dont have a wealth of talent and despite his several immature brain farts Hetmyer is still one of our most talented white ball batsmen. Sending him down the order helps neither his or the team's advancement
2022-08-06 21:41:34
In reply to sudden
Hetty is still a young man in West Indian terms. Bit early to be talking history. We dont have a wealth of talent and despite his several immature brain farts Hetmyer is still one of our most talented white ball batsmen. Sending him down the order helps neither his or the team's advancement
2022-08-06 21:42:29
In reply to Logic
What is your solution
2022-08-06 21:42:44
In reply to Courtesy
so again i ask
why pick him
just say he is not good enough and leave him out
stop telling fans it is about fitness
2022-08-06 21:44:36
In reply to Logic
But I dont know you managed to rope in a swipe at taking the knee. That's quite a segue
It comes from the same place: action without hard evidence; management without measurement. Why are we taking a knee? And at what point will it end?
This gesture (taking the knee) is just another mindless import. The most comprehensive study on "systemic racism" in law enforcement in the US (see professor Fryer) indicates there is no evidence for it. None.
2022-08-06 21:45:45
In reply to Logic
Sending him down the order helps neither his or the team's advancement
Correct is right.
2022-08-06 21:47:12
Our sad state is when we tout “” Pooran and Hetty “.. as our best batsmen..not better but best..if these 2 are our best it’s no wonder we can’t put runs on the board..
But what the heck do I know...
What I do know is emotions running high ... and the love of your favourite cricketer creates bias..
Blame Hetty for the quadmire.. for if he was putting up big scores his fans and ardent supporters would not be on here trying to dispel that HE IS NO GOOD ..
2022-08-06 21:58:25
In reply to Halliwell
Quite simple isn't it?
That is why you guys and the CWI management are much more attuned to what should be done.
If I was in charge we would lose wusser moe bad.
2022-08-06 23:58:43
In reply to Dukes
There is no doubt in my mind that the 2 best batsmen in the West Indies in white ball cricket are Pooran and Hetmyer.
Particularly in T 20 cricket they must bat # 3 and # 4.
Particularly in T 20 cricket they must bat # 3 and # 4.
This is not based on any brand of fact...just hopes and wishes Dukes.
they are both piss poor and have consistently showed us all the inability to be consistent.
dont say a word about potential- they both lack common sense and are blatant VOOPERS and ego maniacs...not tacticians or chess players of the game.
them at 3 & 4...means two walking wickets back in the barracks with 300 plus strike rates...and a big TEAM LOSS at the end of it all.
no sah...methinks you doth protest too much
2022-08-07 00:04:36
In reply to powen001
You sound angry,bruh! Hope it is't the umpteenth series loss alone..
2022-08-07 00:27:23
In reply to powen001
them at 3 & 4...means two walking wickets back in the barracks with 300 plus strike rates...and a big TEAM LOSS at the end of it all.
30(10) × 2
That 60 runs in 3.2 overs most days of the week that'll win you a T20 game lol
2022-08-07 01:58:15
In reply to WIfan26
With the ineptitude of WI batsmen, it does not really matter where who bats where in the lineup.Just pad up the next one.
2022-08-07 17:02:28
Sheppy batting Hetty missing
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