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Daren Sammy should be the next Head Coach of the West Indies team.

In reply to Dukes

In some capacity...he should be with the squad to the world cup....but I don't think ICM will welcome him

In reply to Narper

You can NEVER write off any team he is in charge of.He imbues a fighting spirit in all his teams IRREGARDLESS of the state of the game.They can never be written off until the last run or wicket is scored or taken.He is a master strategist, always plotting always trying to squeeze the last pearl out of his players.The man is keenly observing every ball, writing notes unlike his counterpart who is sleeping and eating ice-cream.

In reply to Dukes

Yep...we got a good insight into Sammy's thinking as a game unfolds .... during his stints in the commentary booth...very impressive

In reply to Dukes

Why are you convinced?

Does he even want the job?

What coaching certification does he have?

Should he require certification if he doesn’t?

In reply to imusic

The evidence is quite substantial.Not only is his record of leadership as a player quite impressive but he has shown since last year the ability to get his players to believe in themselves.He gets his players to fight until the bitter end and his teams ALWAYS PUNCH ABOVE THEIR WEIGHT.He also has an infectious can do spirit which rubs off on players.I note the remarks of players in both the Women's team that won the World Cup in 2016 as well as comments made by 2 players in the WI Under 19 team which also won in 2016 about their interaction with him.


If you listen to Daren Sammy for more than a couple seconds you swiftly come to the conclusion that his love for WI cricket is boundless.He would absolutely love to be the Head Coach of the West Indies



He has the same coaching certification that the current England Coach has.




In light of the answer to the previous question, the answer is resoundingly NO

BTW I have 2 friends who are Level 3 Coaches and they would not consider themselves qualified to be the WI Senior team Coach.

Please note that you asked 4 questions and I answered all of them.I sincerely hope that when my questions are asked they are also treated with the same courtesy.

In reply to Dukes

Do YOU think that the ill-prepared, under-practiced, technically deficient WI crop of players need an expert motivator clapper more than they need a drills and technique coach? Why not job share with Chanderpaul and Sammy? Win Win.

In reply to imusic

Must the coach be certified?

I have not done an analysis but I believe WI WI/loss in test matches without a coach might be better than with a coach.

But Dukes will take care of that analysis.

In reply to Dukes

But he was an average Joe. Hilarious made him Cappo when he couldn't make the team on merit.
I'll co-sign the Hooperster... And he's some coaching credentials.

In reply to Cricket_101

Irrelevant at this time

In reply to Halliwell

The Head Coach for the Jamaica Tallawahs is Shivnarine Chanderpaul.The Assistant Head Coach of the Jamaica Tallawahs is Curtly Ambrose.
Shivnarine Chanderpaul has no Coaching Certification. Curtly Ambrose is an accredited Level 3 Coach.

Now, armed with that information, do you care to extend and revise your remarks.

In reply to Dukes

Didn't Shiv recently receive his level 3 too?


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In reply to Narper

That was posted on this MB in real time.
Big Benn wrote his in Dubai

In reply to Narper

Clearly my information is dated.I was unaware that Shiv recently acquired level 3 coaching credentials, assuming that the information is accurate and he did pass the various tests.He was starting the process last September and it is supposed to be a 1 year course.
In any event Curtly had his level 3 certification for about ten years.

In reply to openning

Take time with Dukes.

In reply to Dukes

The evidence is that he was a good leader.

That doesn’t automatically make him a good coach.



Your criteria for wanting the job is his love for WI cricket?

Does he love WI cricket more than say Brian Lara or Carl Hooper?

Does that automatically make them interested in the job


The current England coach that just got rinsed by South Africa?

I understand the temptation to jump on the flavor of the moment bandwagon.


I disagree with it though. This is coaching at the game’s highest level. You need to understand what coaching is about. Conduct training exercises and much more. Player management is but one component of a multi faceted head coach job.


With good reason. Certification alone does not qualify one to be a head coach. But it is / should be a minimum requirement.

In reply to imusic

Were my answers to your questions satisfactory???

In reply to imusic

Do you have any idea how many level 3 coaches are in the Caribbean today?

In reply to Dukes

I don’t.

Think of it as a fitness test.

Not everyone passes. It’s a minimum requirement for selection

Same with coaching certification.

In reply to Dukes

Duksie

Sammy has used television to enhance his persona as a team player.
He is a professional at it,ready for the moment it is focusing on him.

When he was the twelfth man he was leading the way in front of all standing on the
front of the bench clapping away. Such brought admirable comments from a British Broadcaster.
He grabbed such an opportunity and enhanced it.
When appointed captain and the star players were rejected by the H&H Administration, his team lost to a minnow.
His losses continued. Star players were brought back, he made a statement to the effect they must comply
with what the current Administrators wanted.

These players were determined that were selected to win, and it showed during the World Cups.
Sammy's role was inconsequential. To win Tosses and clap.


Since then Sammy has led other teams in various tourneys CPL , Pakistan etc, I don't see a stellar record.
Today, Sammy rode the opportunities again, with a book and pen logging in notes, you were impressed by such valor.

I was just seeing it as the typical Sammy, using television to enhance his reputation, nothing else.
Today's Match was not significant, in his leadership, TKR had the game-winning very early on.
The wickets that fell based on cow corner hitting at the end, were irrelevant, TKR had won with few runs needed.

I would be keen to see what he does with this mediocre team in the standings before I give praise.

In a few weeks, we shall surmise his ability to Coach.
We shall see how convinced thou art then.



If such were the case why wasn't Big Dawg Bravo not mentioned for his stellar ability last year as Coach?

In reply to sgtdjones

Because Bravo is often overlooked

He won’t qualify for the likes of the Dukester

Maybe Dukes feels Bravo doesn’t love WI cricket

We do know if Bravo had no coaching certification, that would not disqualify him from being head coach of the WI team for my breddrin Dukes

In reply to imusic

Didn't Sammy coach the St Lucia Kings last year?

How did they do?

In reply to sgtdjones

You guys are still hung up about the circumstances of Sammy's elevation to the WI captaincy.i was also upset about it at the time.However I am laser focussed on what is best for WI cricket. I will not let my past feelings about Sammy cloud the reality of the current situation.Sammy has the qualities required of leadership.I have to admit that Hunte and Hilaire got it right though my suspicion is they were just waving the St Lucia flag at the time.
When I saw that St Lucia only made 143,I knew that they would fight and make a game of it.I watched them last year punching above their weight. In 2020 with Sammy as captain they also did quite well despite having a mediocre team.
All you guys need to do is take off the blinders and be fair and you will see what I am saying.

Bravo as I said before could be a really good option as bowling coach given his vast experience in this format and his apparent people skills

Sammy overall coach?

someone will need to work on the issue of rotating strike

they will do better imho than the present t20 coaching set up

In reply to Dukes

They lost

In reply to Dukes

At no point in today’s game was TKR in any danger of losing the contest.

St Lucia’s “fight” was immaterial and ultimately irrelevant.

You’re eager to ascribe said “fight back” to Sammy

If they lose by 8 wickets will you ascribe that to Sammy too?

I doubt it, but remains to be seen.

In reply to imusic

We shall watch as events unfold.

Time will reflect credit on my judgement

In reply to Dukes

I gave you a Bligh with the No Ball rule.
I will give you another with this because you are ‘good people’.

Now armed with this information, do you agree that Chanderpoke knows how to bat and not get out, and Sammy can motivate before and after the net session?

In reply to Halliwell

I agree

No mas

In reply to imusic

, I have already called for Sammy to be head coach, at least in the white ball format. This won't work because the head coach is in charge of all formats. I can't see CWI having a different coach for test matches.

In reply to Dukes
I told him that personally during the recent WI visit to Florida.

In reply to Narper

So wah he brings to the table.

In reply to Dukes
It is hard for a lot of us to take of those blinders to get a deeper view whether in Sports or Politricks.

Though it may be true Sammy lucked into the WI captaincy he did show some good tactical ability in both WC Tournaments. Many of us sit here and act as if we were in the dressing room planning with the Coaches and captain - we seem to know what people are thinking which is impossible for us humans. I remember many of us here on CC.Com siding with the Commies when they were criticizing Sammy during the 2nd WC for giving his bowlers one over each on rotation for the first 10 overs regardless of how many runs were scored. The Comms crucified him but as it turned out it was a plan to not let any one batsman settle and target or plan to target a bowler so early. Teams had to switch plans on whether to attack each and every bowler at onset or not. Turns out they lost wickets regularly in the latter overs and most times never dominated the power plays. Todat Teams are routinely doing the one and off strategy. But i bet most where will not admits it was Wi who first started that. Just as most here do not remember that it was a certain WI batsman who first did the drop knees shovel overhead for six off Bret Lee in a Limited overs game - Commies exclaimed it was dangerous then. Now when other batsmen do it everyone goes gaga on the brilliance of it.
Fact is the blinders will always stay on as long s it means even a little praise or acknowledgement of a WI because he or she is just not one of 'ours'.

In reply to Scar

Don’t reinvent history dude.

As far back as the very first Stanford t20 tournament, William Perkins was executing that scoop for 6 off of Darren Powell and co.

SMH

I know what you are implying Dukes -

Football and cricket are games of insight and vision; so to most a coach who was once a professional in either sport would be ideal. However, there have been managers/coaches who never played either sport professionally in their careers who achieved many wins from the sidelines/balcony.. Carlos Alberta Parreira, a trainer, of Brazil fame, Arrigo Sacchi, shoe salesman, of Italian, Sirie A (ACMilan), Bill Struth , stone-mason and middle- distance runner, Rangers (Scotland), Guy Roux, France.

Basically you don’t have to play the sport at the highest level to have to be a very good to excellent coach if you have the tactical insight and the ability to sooth superstar egos into buying into your methods. It has been said that most super star players fail at coaching or make the worst coaches because they judge you buy their own past skills rather than fitting you into a scheme, think Kapil Dev - Greg Chappell

There are coaches who were mediocre at playing cricket who made excellent coaches. They excelled because of strong -management and coaching skills. Some never featured in a single international match yet turned average cricketers into champions. Think John Buchanan, Grahan Ford, Mike Hasson

In reply to imusic International ICC or WC tourneys where the world watched and the Commies said he was crazy to face Lee and do that! Cricket history doesnt count Local cricket where even school boys did that stuff much like the English/ Saffie gets the praise for the reverse sweep we know our school boys do in fete and school matches from years of yore. But still Perkins is WI cricketer though not on the International stage.

In reply to Scar

I was one of those people who was harshly critical of Daren Sammy when he was installed as Captain by Hunte and Hilaire.I admit I ridiculed him at the time. However I have seen the evidence of his tremendous skill set as a strategist and motivator and his uncanny man management.
Few people have the ability/honesty/willingness to admit when they were wrong about something so I am not surprised at the push back my endorsement of Daren Sammy is engendering.

In reply to Dukes

Your endorsement is based on “senses and feelings”.

What success has Darren Sammy had coaching at any level?

For someone who loves to quote statistics and data to support your arguments, your position here is surprisingly weak.

Vibes, senses, and feelings. Hardly the stuff of hard data.

There needs to be a split format coaching.

Same way I don’t see Sammy preparing a red ball team in the near future, I can’t see Simmo having much success in the white ball formats.

A successful captain has most of the ingredients to make an excellent coach.

MS Dhoni coming soon...


Listening to Sammy in commentary alone can convince anyone that he has a lot to offer.

In reply to imusic

Who coached the St Lucia Kings in CPL 2021??
How did they do?

In reply to Dukes

I think the standings showed 5 wins vs 5 losses

Coach Andy Flower

Daren Sammy has been appointed head coach of St Lucia Kings for the 2022 edition of the CPL, taking over from Andy Flower, who was at the helm for two seasons.

Sammy, who has been with the team since the first edition of the league in 2013, stepped down from captaincy last year. He was appointed the franchise's "T20 cricket consultant and brand ambassador" for the 2021 season and worked with Flower as part of the backroom staff.

In reply to sgtdjones

In reality,Sammy was the man at the helm last year.

Big Dawg Bravo took a last-place 2020 team and won

That's the Team I fear vs TKR, not Sammy's

In reply to Dukes

Shiv!

In reply to Dukes

You give the cpl abit too much weight. So using your milestone, anyone that can get the Tallaws to look this good in the field deserves it.

In reply to Dukes

I answered that already, they lost

In reply to Dukes

Another vibes, senses and feelings from you.

No reality whatsoever.

In reply to imusic

We shall revisit this topic at the end of the season.