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Is one of only 2 players in the current WI squad with a test average over 35….(admittedly not earth shattering)

And yet I see a lot of people calling for him to be dropped so that their 20-Sinting contenders can get a pick

In reply to FanAttick

a lot of tridents yes....one was saying SA embarrassed him when they came last year forgetting that he only got one inning while the KRab had four and scored less than 40 for the entire series

In reply to Jumpstart

Thats why WI cricket is in the doldrums

In reply to FanAttick

yes....not the only reason but definitely a big part of it

In reply to FanAttick

Question for you “ Councillor”
Do you think Kwame is a better batsman than Brandon the First?

In reply to Dukes

not at all......brandon should have been one of the first guys on the tour....the rationale for picking reifer and chase makes no sense

In reply to FanAttick

Carlos Brathwaite has a 45 avg. in OZ and he was dropped!
Who does Bonner think he is!

In reply to Dukes

Do you think Brian Lara was a better batsman than Carl Hooper? Is Shai Hope better than Jermaine Blackwood?


Test batting calls for a different skills set than ODI batting…

Does Brandon have the temperament to bat long. - to leave more balls than he plays, to grind it out when the going gets tough?


The jury is still out on King….I love watching him bat..touch of class but not yet tested

If WI were in a spot of bother who would you rather coming out to bat - Bonner or King? I would go with Bonner..

In reply to FanAttick
What make one batsman better than the other?
When I was 9 years old, people at the mecca was discussing Rohan and Sir Gary, two classy consistent batsman.
A couple years later, I saw why people in Barbados love Rohan Kanhai, the only West Indian that was able to stop traffic in Bridgetown.
Fans in Bim love Carl, Fans in Bim also wanted to throw Mangoes at him, due to the ways he got himself out.
They is no one on this planet would say Hooper was a better batsman that Shiv Chanderpaul, or a Basil Butcher..

In reply to FanAttick

Really???

Is that long enough?



Brandon has 3 centuries in first class cricket in 32 matches at an average of 34.84 and at age 28 is ready to step up and show he is an even better batsman than his record suggests.

Stop focusing only on numbers and actually watch these guys bat.Talking about averages in people who still have a long career ahead of them is fraught with danger as eloquently expressed by Yogi Berra who famously said "Predictions are difficult, especially about the future".

JUSTICE FOR BRANDON!!!!

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

In reply to FanAttick

It's mind-boggling the nonsense that some post on this forum! Why would a person call for Bonnor to be dropped? Smh.

In reply to buds

told you....is de tridents. They trying to deflect from the nonsensicality of Chase's selection

In reply to Jumpstart
Don't prostitute your self anymore.
Dessie understand West Indians, he told Cornwall up front, to speak to JA.
Do you know why Jimmy Adams waited for the info on Cornwall?

In reply to Jumpstart

Is a good thing for him that he only got that one inning.

He was totally at sea against Njorte, Rabada and krew

He was glad he only had to bat 1 innings against that attack.

In reply to openning

Stop excusing grotesque INCOMPETENCE.

This looks like blame shifting.Before you make ANY DECISION, you gather ALL the PERTINENT FACTS and after reviewing ALL the EVIDENCE you make an INFORMED DECISION in selecting the team. Selecting a team contingent on certain INFORMATION is BULLCRAP

Dese guys are not fit to run a PATTY SHOP!!!!!

In reply to imusic

the entire team was at sea....kraigg made less than 40 runs in four innings. There were only two half centuries from chase and keiran powell

In reply to openning

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cornwall is not fit enough to play test cricket....are you going to hide him in the slips for 5 days and hope he could chance it and smack every other ball for six on huge Australian grounds?

In reply to Jumpstart
So if you decided on an off spinner, who would you had selected?
I was surprise on Chase selection, and I dislike Kraigg lollipops

In reply to Jumpstart

Gayle did it for over a decade.

And Cornwall IS undisputedly, the best available off spinner in the region.

In reply to imusic

unless your a big turner of the ball like Graeme Swann or Sunil Narine, you are not going to trouble Austraia at home. Look how successful Ashwin has been down under.....he's been woeful. He's never taken a 5 wicket hall in australia and his average is 42, which means he travels. Cornwall is not as good an offie as Ashwin and i can't see him seriously troubling pat cummins or hazlewood or starc. We already have an attack capable of taking 20 wickets. Not picking him freed up a place for a proper batsman. Unfortunately it was wasted

In reply to FanAttick

Ay Fella...Brandon King should have been on this tour ahead of Reifer.

In reply to Jumpstart
Don't you need a spinner in the line up?
Can our pacers bowl 90 overs in a day?

In reply to imusic

Would you really subject Cornwall to the cruelty of the Aussie sledging machine?

In reply to Larr Pullo
There is no proof what so ever, that King is better than any batsman in the reason, style and scoring a big ton 6 years ago, says very little about this guy being consistent, and he is able to merit selection.
Hetty is proof on what I am writing about, as Harper say, Hetty seem to like watching others bat.

In reply to openning

You have to back Kings very apparent talent. If he fails to flourish after a period then you could move on. Look at Hope and how many chances he got, why can't you do the same for King?

In reply to FanAttick

A lack of footwork and batting deep in his crease makes Bonner a worry, he also bat's defensively so the Windies could get bogged down quite quickly.

Bonner's batting reminds me of Kirk Edwards.

In reply to WICFan

Kirk Edwards did quite well on the subcontinent

In reply to openning

kraigg could turn his hand over and more than likely we are going to play four pacers(jason, alzarri, roach and holder) and kyle mayers is a more than handy medium pacer

In reply to Larr Pullo

exactly what i was saying and i doubt he would be as hopeless as hope

In reply to Larr Pullo
Talent is only a small percentage of what make any sportsman to be the best he can be.
In the NCAA we all see week after week the youngsters who maybe successful, consistency matters.
We don't say the guy is good from a few good matches.
Thats what I am hearing about King.
I am looking at his cricket and comparing him to Marnus Labuschagne or Mohammad Azam, these are the template for my discussions.

In reply to openning

The only "template" that you should be using is a WI template, at this time.

In reply to openning

I agree with you!!!

I think Dessie Haynes should drop Raymon Reifer and Shamarh Brooks and bring in Marnus Labuschagne and Mohammad Azam into the team to play Australia.

In reply to Dukes

Remember Hetty and Poorman?

In reply to Larr Pullo
I have learned a long time ago, that there is no such thing as a West Indian template.
Each Island develop it players, just think about it.
One of the reason we are so quick to speak of insularity, Barbados having X number of players.

In reply to sudden

They were definitely considered but in the end, narrowly lost out to the superior records of Marnus Labuschagne and Mohammad Azam.

In reply to Dukes

Dem is your newest picks?

In reply to sudden

Lead Selector Openning is the boss!!!!!

In reply to Dukes
I registered an X to Brooks after the U9 level, like you Barbadian saw more in him, than me
As for any Reifer, I hope one day one of them will make the Island proud.

In reply to Dukes

King has to produce over a full domestic season before he gets a pick…this business of picking people based purely on potential has got to stop…

When was the last time a batsman produced at the test level who was picked based on potential?

In reply to FanAttick

Ricardo Powell?

In reply to imusic
Whenever I hear that name, my Antiguan brother comes to mind.
He was attending a cricket meeting in TO and called me, after cussing Richie Richardson.
Richie said Ricardo is the best young batsman in the region, my brother was as forceful as can be, letting Richie know Ricardo cannot bat, and he knew F all about talent.
We used to discuss him and DRS, a player that Seymour gave up on.

In reply to imusic

Did Pow Pow produce at the test level?

In reply to openning



Pow Pow scored a ton at Kensington Oval vs Bim…I was lucky to be passing thru Bim and witnessed that ton live…Its the best regional 1st class ton that I have ever seen….it wasn’t swiping..it was shots of majestic class all over the park….its a shame that knock and Yagga Rowe’s triple ton were not captured on video….

In reply to FanAttick

Renford Pinnock ton was one of the best seen at the Mecca, as schoolboys, we all had some of his antics.
Hall, Griffith, Prof and Gary
Thats how we used to know batsmanship, it was always the opponent you scored runs against.

In reply to FanAttick

The tragedy of WI cricket is that the fans have been so traumatized by the poor results over the last 25 years that they have stopped paying attention to what is really going on in WI cricket.
That is my reaction to what you said and here is why such a reaction has been elicited by the statement that you made.

The last time Brandon King played a full domestic season in the West Indies was the 2018-2019 season.

He played 7 matches and in 14 innings with 1 not out he scored 630 runs.

His highest score was 133 and he averaged 48.46 and in addition to the century he hit 6 half-centuries

Since then he has played a total of 5 first class matches including 2 matches in New Zealand and in his only innings in first class cricket this year made an unbeaten 119.

The reason why he has only played 5 first class matches since that last full season in 2019 is a combination of Covid and him representing the West Indies in white ball cricket.

Can anyone understand my frustration when I have to make this sort of post?????

In reply to Dukes

Surely you’re not advocating for King to be selected now based on his 2018-2019 returns?

I agree with you that its a tragedy because of the paucity of 4 day cricket but in fairness to CWI there was a small matter of the Covid-19 pandemic subsequent to that season…

WI needs a vibrant A-Team program so that those in the periphery can be gainfully occupied even when not representing the senior team…

As you say though - lickit cricket and a lack of forward planning are the main contributors to our malaise….

In reply to FanAttick

Your type of lawyering is to cry that the defendant is an orphan despite the fact that he murdered his parents!!!!

Brandon has not played a full domestic season because of CWI but yet you say he needs to play a full domestic season in order to be selected and when he played a full domestic season and did well he was not selected.

No wonder the world is in a mess!!!!

In reply to FanAttick

How is King going to produce over an entire FC season when WI selectors keep picking him to play in ODI's and T20 during de Regional FC season den using it against him afterwards?

In reply to Dukes

Fact is that Brandon King is 27 years old. He made is 1st class debut in 2015..he made his ODI and LickitI debut in 2019…

He has a mere 3 1st class tons and an average of 34..fact is that he hasn’t exactly kicked the door down…what was he doing between 2015 and 2019..

Based on the schedule he would have missed a couple matches in 2020 and a couple more in 2022 while away on WI duties…I like him as a player but you are making it sound like we have a Viv Richards on our hands…the stats doesnt not back up your enthusiasm

In reply to Maispwi


The facts do not support that claim…King has rarely missed regional 1st class games because of WI commitments

In reply to FanAttick

Bonner got picked wid a twenty someting FC average after 73 FC matches, also wid 3 centuries, and despite his relatively better performances in Test cricket still averages less dan 30 in FC cricket. And he was already 30.

In reply to Maispwi

Bonner got picked because of a stellar 2019/20 Regional 1st Class season and the fact that the selectors had finally pulled the plug on golden boy Shai Hope after repeated failures…

In reply to FanAttick

So you saying dat one swallow makes a summer now? Even wid dat so called stellar season he still only had 3 centuries in 71 FC games, correction.

In reply to Maispwi

I say that a full regional season is a good barometer..a single inning is not…
In any event we now have Bonner’s return at the test level to make an informed judgment

In reply to FanAttick

So with all Dukes said, what has Chase or Reiter done side 2019 to get picked? Wouldn't King be a better pick.

With that said, when you arguing over the selection of 2 or even 4 players in a squad of 15, shows a better selection policy. A bit of gut applied.


As I had little qualms With the WC squad selected, more how they were managed.

In reply to FanAttick

Am not saying it isn't but selectors shud not rule out a player for not playing a full Regional season when dey have seen it fit to not allow him/her to play a full season.

In reply to natty_forever

The consensus is that King would have been a better selection than Chase or Reifer..I concur…

I was responding to Dukes who was arguing for King ahead of Bonner..I disagree

In reply to FanAttick

I was wondering. Ok.

In reply to natty_forever

I was watching an interview with Keacy Carty…this is a young man who is over the moon for representing WI cricket…he takes great pride in being the 1st WI representative from St Maarten..

During the recent England Tour of the Caribbean. - Carty was seen in a lengthy conversation with Joe Root getting tips ….this shows a man on a mission../

We need more players like him in the WI Team..

I watched his recent List A ton vs WI Academy..He has improved quite a lot even allowing for the fact that the opposition was sub standard..

I would love to see him get a crack at the test level…

In reply to Larr Pullo


or like Devon Smith.

In reply to FanAttick

By the end of the Aussie series if Bonner or Mayer play their 30 sometin avg maybe approaching a quarter.

In reply to tc1

Then let it. I see folks have identified suitable replacements with averages above 35???

In reply to imusic
Have you read Buds post about men posting Fart!! How long did he bat, how much did he make, and; was his scoring rate uncharesticaly worse than the mean?

Tsk,tsk the things ppl post. It was injudicous to hook at the 1st ball faced from an express Pacer but nothing else about Bonners start was out of the norm. Even Viv played n missed vs good bowling before settling in

In reply to FanAttick

Near sure multiple players not going to Bangladesh helped get Bonner called up.

In reply to Brerzerk

You are also no friend of Bonner


BTW……how did he do in the subsequent series against Pakistan’s seamers?

In reply to FanAttick

U R A PIECE OF WORK!!!!!!

I am sure that despite the fact that you are not a scientist, you must have heard of Einstein's theory of relativity.3 First class centuries in 32 first class matches with an average of 34.84 is only bettered by Kraig Brathwaite so to describe it as you have is disingenuous.




This is patently FALSE. In 2022 there were 5 FC matches that were played 2 early on and then a break and then 3 more.Brandon King only played 1 match and had a solitary innings of 119 undefeated. In 2020 he played 1 match.He has a total of 3 first class matches in the West Indies since his full season in 2019 and 2 first class matches in New Zealand. Brandon King has not played anyFranchise T 20 leagues apart from the CPL



How many domestic first class tons did Viv Richards have when he was selected to tour India in late 1974 and what was his regional average??? I know the answer to these questions and the fact that you raise his name suggests that you do not!!!!




I will ignore this TRUMPIAN STATEMENT




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My only response ton the above is to say that Donald Trump has nothing on you.

Is Brandon King a better batsman than Ricardo Powell ever was?

In reply to Dukes

How many 1st class matches did King miss between 2015-2019 because of WI commitments?

In reply to natty_forever

We may have to lower the benchmark from 40 to 35.

In reply to FanAttick

You are reduced to spouting nonsense and distractive distortions in order to cufuffle the masses.

Bottom line is the facts are against you and such piffling nonsense can not hide the fact that your statement that Brandon King needs to play a full successful season of first class cricket ignores the fact that when he was last allowed to do that he was successful and was not selected and since then due to CWI he has not played a full first class season, hence my analogy of you pleading for your client on the grounds that he is an orphan when in fact he killed his parents.

GO TO BED and say your prayers and ask for forgiveness for spouting UNTRUTHS!!!!!!!!

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