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Shiv is not the man for the job - Philo Wallace
anthonyp
2022-12-29 18:05:58
Former Test opening batsman, Barbadian Philo Wallace is not supporting the call for Shivnarine ‘Tiger’ Chanderpaul to become the new head coach of the West Indies cricket team.
Speaking on the Mason And Guest cricket radio show on Tuesday night, Wallace said that Chanderpaul lacks coaching experience at the international level and was not the man for the job.
“Shiv Chanderpaul as head coach would surprise me. If he is appointed, is it based on scoring 11,000 Test runs, his coaching experience at the international level is very limited.
“We cannot continue to keep following people. We have to set an example. Chanderpaul has been a fantastic player. He has had some success with the Jamaican Tallawahs, is it possible he can transfer that into red ball cricket?”
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bdaTryangle
2022-12-29 18:24:54
In reply to anthonyp
After reading the article I wonder if Wallace has someone else in mind to take the reins - someone with a larger coaching pedigree.
As for that Ferris fella he appears to be in favour of someone who has international playing experience based on his scoffing at Coley's involvement on an interim basis.
powen001
2022-12-29 18:25:20
In reply to anthonyp
Do yall know that some ppl cannot see past the stumbling bumbling cappo shiv?
that refuse to accept that Shiv TODAY is NOT the Shiv who was afraid to communicate back then?
I do not agree with Philo.
we tried all the other crap...and Shiv will fare no worse than any of the recent set- I stand by that
Kay
2022-12-29 19:22:04
Wallace said that Chanderpaul lacks coaching experience at the international level and was not the man for the job.
How do you get that experience if you never get a chance to coach that level? Chicken and egg ....
Brerzerk
2022-12-29 21:41:39
While asking about the possibility of Shiv transferring his Tallawah success to Red ball cricket he simultaneously concluded he's not the man for the job
Atl_View
2022-12-29 21:45:15
2 Questions for Mr Wallace, what if Chanderpaul was Bajan? Secondly, since you were never able to lift your skills to meet the needs of the international game, what you suggest should be done now for current talent?
openning
2022-12-29 23:16:08
In reply to Atl_View
2 Questions for Mr Wallace, what if Chanderpaul was Bajan?
I am Bajan/Canadian, and I believe experience matter.
I haave no problem with specialty coaches, the management aspect as a head coach in any sport should come from working up the ladder,
I have seen Wayne Gretzky failed, Michael Jordan failed, two of the greatest players, retiring and returning as head coaches.
openning
2022-12-29 23:21:50
In reply to Kay
How do you get that experience if you never get a chance to coach that level? Chicken and egg
Dude a Head Coach is far different to a bowling, batting, field or wicketkeeping coach, along the players, a Head coach is responsible for the performance of all the people under him.
Think about it.
Raskil
2022-12-29 23:25:43
In reply to openning
Couldn’t he be the interim/trial basis coach who can then transition if the results are positive?
openning
2022-12-29 23:27:19
In reply to Raskil
Has he been part of the CWI coaches, to be given that role?
Raskil
2022-12-29 23:49:49
In reply to openning
Has he been part of the CWI coaches, to be given that role?
How do you feel about a foreign coach getting the job?
Dukes
2022-12-29 23:50:10
In reply to openning
I believe experience matter.
Some people have 20 years experience while others have 1 year's experience 20 times.
Some people have been taking professional exams for years and failing.they have experience taking the exam but that does not help them.
WI cricket is in a hell-hole and it requires someone with innovation, boldness and an entrepreneurial spirit to get us out of that hole.Just blindly going for someone who has been doing such jobs a long time may not be enough.One has to put some THOUGHT into the choice of Head Coach and not just some simplistic notion of the most experienced person.
openning
2022-12-29 23:50:51
In reply to Raskil
I live in Canada.
cumberland
2022-12-29 23:51:42
AND yet we wonder why WI are still a third-world people playing third-world cricket in a sport that has gone decidedly first-world in outlook and fashion! WINDIAN attitudes and dispositions are out of touch with that reality!
Raskil
2022-12-29 23:54:25
In reply to openning
Chanders lives in Florida
Don’t matter where you live...
Answer the question
tc1
2022-12-30 00:02:41
In reply to Dukes
were you one of those guys that took 2 wheelbarrows of books into the exam room
sudden
2022-12-30 00:11:58
In reply to Dukes
Given the situation as outlined by you, is the opposite position, (new face, no head coaching experience), the right one then?
openning
2022-12-30 00:16:53
In reply to Raskil
I earned my living, living in Canada.
I've worked in Calgary as the only black person, and the only black manager, so your question is not for me.
Raskil
2022-12-30 00:19:00
In reply to sudden
I have a question if you don’t mind.
WI have been failing for over two decades...would it hurt to give the other option a try?
sudden
2022-12-30 00:35:59
In reply to Raskil
From all reports Shiv will be the new coach
I have no issues with that
I am just questioning Dukes’s reasoning.
When you say A there is always B
The head coach job is not an easy undertaking
And even more trying coaching the WI team
openning
2022-12-30 00:38:21
In reply to Dukes
Some people have 20 years experience while others have 1 year's experience 20 times.
Playing the game and being a specialty coach is far different from managing players and coaches .
My belief about the test and ODI team, it is going to take sometime, to rebuild, with the number of players playing in the T20 leagues, that format is easier, base on the number of games our players are playing, and competing against some of the top T20 players, in the world.
As for a Head coach position, management experience matters.
tc1
2022-12-30 00:44:06
In reply to sudden
Good to see you after the Xmas heart break.
sudden
2022-12-30 00:44:47
In reply to tc1
It was an experience but all is well 
CITYBOY
2022-12-30 00:49:50
In reply to openning
You mean dat minus 50 thing nah whiten you ??
Curtis
2022-12-30 00:51:51
Creativity is what is sometimes required. Shiv, Ambrose, Sammy are all people that I heard, I think, Dukes and others have suggested.
Never mind who is head coach. Get the above involved. Time is going. Don't dig up peeps from the beyond.
CITYBOY
2022-12-30 00:55:36
In reply to tc1
Et al... even in my drunken stupor I understood what the interim coach said.. maybe you guys should go back and read what he said.. this is what he said “” I look forward to overseeing “”.. note the word OVERSEEING .. he never said anything about coaching...
So that rules out Shiv.. they want an overseer and not a coach ..
All you go harass all you partners and don’t try to fix WI cricket..clowns running it and the highly intelligent as following it ..and trying to solve it
Nothing changes..
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:00:55
In reply to CITYBOY
Go create a Guyanacricket.com forum and take the like minded.
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:04:15
In reply to openning
I earned my living, living in Canada.
I've worked in Calgary as the only black person, and the only black manager, so your question is not for me.
Don’t underestimate the respect people have for intelligence, hard work and discipline.
CITYBOY
2022-12-30 01:10:32
In reply to Raskil
Sir you did read what the Presi said... He not concentrating on cricket!!why waste time??
I gonna create a GUYANESE RUM DRINKING FORUM ..
With head quarters being WHITE COCONUT TREE
openning
2022-12-30 01:10:49
In reply to CITYBOY
I left Bim as a strong independent black man.
I was never a follower, or part of the in crowd.
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:11:23
In reply to sudden
ECB hired Brendon McCullum to be their test coach. Was that a textbook move? How’s that working out so far?
tc1
2022-12-30 01:11:23
In reply to CITYBOY
Have a shot of that El Dorado for me and guys.
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:13:44
In reply to CITYBOY
The Pres hosting cricket carnivals for the next few years and you’re saying what?
Change your drink.
openning
2022-12-30 01:14:05
In reply to Raskil
What was Brendon McCullum doing, prior to landing the ECB job?
Was he given the job, after a few years coaching?
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:19:07
In reply to openning
What was Brendon McCullum doing, prior to landing the ECB job?
Was he given the job, after a few years coaching?
Winning T20 titles...maybe they shouldn’t have waited a few years to give him the job.
CITYBOY
2022-12-30 01:25:17
In reply to openning
Me not questioning you being strong!!you have to be to be living up Calgary way..
openning
2022-12-30 01:27:01
In reply to Raskil
Here is part of Brendon McCullum resume;
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CITYBOY
2022-12-30 01:27:38
In reply to openning
Things rolling nice for England so Mc Callum riding it ..
Wait until things start going sidewise !!
Raskil
2022-12-30 01:49:16
In reply to openning
I really believe ECB went for a mindset and it’s working.
Our cricket needs to fall back into the preparation and application mode. That’s the coach we need.
camos
2022-12-30 02:05:02
cricket teams win and lose despite their head coach, an overrated contributor to outcomes.
openning
2022-12-30 02:13:37
In reply to Raskil
It seem to me that a number of west Indies fans, believe Clive and Viv team, would be successful, if they had stayed at home, and played the few games in our regional tournament.
These guys played daily in county and world cricket, cricket was their profession, work and fitness were the mo.
There is no way, that Gordon, Dessie, Viv, Gomes,Clive would not be prepare, when going on tour.
It sicken me to see, tour after tour, players not fit and still have the same bad habits.
I hear players like Jay Singh and Tiger woods talking about the million putts they do, the hours put in, to get better.
I blame the contracted players for not putting in the work.
Raskil
2022-12-30 02:32:19
In reply to openning
Steve Smith wants to play county cricket before the upcoming ashes series. He will be turned away for obvious reasons. Things have changed, WI have to build a self reliant system.
Dukes
2022-12-30 02:37:28
In reply to openning
As for a Head coach position, management experience matters.
Looking at Brendan McCollum's experience it is not exactly extensive and not significantly different to what Shiv brings to the table.I do not understand how you can not see the similarity in these two guys experience.McCollum is wildly successful so why couldn't Shiv also debased on their similarities?
Dukes
2022-12-30 02:39:47
openning
2022-12-30 02:50:53
In reply to Dukes
Two players with vast different experience, Brendan McCollum he brings leadership to the table, as a successful captain, and his experience after retiring.
Shivnarine Chanderpaul looked like a Deer in Headlikes, when captaining the West Indies team, that why I refer to management.
I have no problem with him, starting as the batting coach, he should bring that knowledge from the work he put in, working with his dad for hours.
I don't think Ambrose has the management skills also, to be the head coach.
If Sammy was involve in coaching, I believe he has some management skill, to lead his coaching team.
You do know a head coach is different from a batting or Fast bowling coach.
I know we speak of bowling coach, would you hire Walsh or Ambrose to work with spinners?
Dukes
2022-12-30 03:04:20
In reply to openning
I would never put Shiv as Head Coach but not because he is inexperienced as a Coach.Experience is overrated.
CWI has stringent qualifications for the Head Coach position but I believe that they will ignore their own qualifications and appoint Daren Sammy and put Ambrose as Bowling Coach with Badree as a Consultant.
InHindsight
2022-12-30 11:07:41
My personal thoughts on whether Shiv should become head coach is one of reservation.
Who knows he may well come and make a positive difference. For those who clamour for his appointment have any of you spoken with him to know what different he is bring to the table? What about his man management skills? How will the players receive him? I ask these due simply to his lack of experience. Having said all that, two important things I can perceive Shiv bring to table: work ethic and mental approach.
sudden
2022-12-30 11:36:09
In reply to Dukes
if you hired a contractor to build your house and he comes to you and says, "listen, i think experience is highly overrated. i have a choice between hiring a mason with 10 months proven experience building this kind of house and one who has 10 years proven experience. i will hire the guy with 10 months because he is cheaper and sometimes there can be too much experience."
he wants your approval. what would you do, besides firing him, of course?
the mason, is the only mason that will be hired for the project and the contractor is not a mason
Dukes
2022-12-30 12:15:49
In reply to sudden
You have not provided enough information for me to make an informed decision.Based on what is provided any decision I make will be a crap shoot and typical of the drive by mentality that seems so pervasive in our cricketing culture.Careful weighing of ALL the information is what is required.There are many things that have to be considered.
sudden
2022-12-30 12:27:00
In reply to Dukes
fair enuff but you believe that you have enuff info on the WI coaching situation for you to take a crap shot on Shiv or to disagree with Wallace re Shiv's experience?
that is, prior to your recent recant that, "I would never put Shiv as Head Coach."
as educated as i think i am i always rely on my experience to solve my various issues.
so i am a bit miffed when you consistently posit that "experience is overrated"
from my experience education is highly overrated and enthusiasm needlessly exaggerated
StumpCam
2022-12-30 12:31:13
sudden
2022-12-30 12:32:53
In reply to StumpCam
the same amount Trump has at being honest
Dukes
2022-12-30 13:14:20
In reply to sudden
I did not recant.My defense of Shiv was because Opening was arguing against him on the basis of experience.I merely pointed out that McCollum's experience was not significantly different to Shiv in terms of Head Coaching at International level.Ido not think Shiv should be Head Coach because of other reasons DAT IS ALL.
When I say experience is overrated Would remind you of my oft repeated mantra about 20 years experience and 1 year's experience 20 times.In other words it is not homogenous and merely looking at the length of tenure is not synonymous with improvement and betterment.
I agree with the difference between education and wisdom.
CITYBOY
2022-12-30 13:32:33
This whole thing of Shiv not qualified stems from the Bajan Nadia getting phucked( I HAVE NO PROOF BUT I THINK THIS HAPPENED)..
A bajan dude might had already been told he is the next coach.. but then the Ozzie best down coupled with the T 20 situation which was primarily the bad selection of Haynes ( no honourable from me .. he is proving to be s waste ) put Skerrit to back off from hiring the appointed bajan..Philo WALLACE should spill what he knows and not PHUCK around with gibberish ..
Bajan mafia let down the admins and now they scrambling ...
all you lay off the Dukes .. let the man enjoy his retirement !!
WIfan26
2022-12-30 13:58:39
In times like these oh how do we dearly miss Tony Cozier!!! This rumshop provides a better media outlet than the foolishness we currently have!!!
It is going to require a serious effort to whip these jabronis into shape but they don’t call the man a Tiger for nothing!!!!
camos
2022-12-30 15:03:58
So, the people who were calling for Desmond Haynes two years ago, now think you need experience for the job?
analyst-kid
2022-12-30 15:58:44
AS FAR as international experience and qualifications are concerned, the best person to me is OTIS GIBSON
sudden
2022-12-30 16:07:49
In reply to analyst-kid
remember the liks you hold when your woman and she man beat you?
well standby. you gine get more dan dat
tc1
2022-12-30 16:16:20
In reply to sudden
he gine get much licks.
runout
2022-12-30 17:32:09
If it were up to some folks, Shiv would never have played for the WI. For some reason he never measured up tot heir ideals, whatever they were.
And now he still doesn't. Surprise, surprise!!!
analyst-kid
2022-12-30 21:07:55
In reply to sudden
remember the liks you hold when your woman and she man beat you?
I got to give you credit for tenacity...you continue to hold this narrative...
Curtis
2022-12-30 22:27:19
In reply to analyst-kid
analyst-kid12/30/22, 10:58:44 AM
AS FAR as international experience and qualifications are concerned, the best person to me is OTIS GIBSON
No, boss!!!
Otis best stick to elevators
Curtis
2022-12-30 23:27:10
In reply to anthonyp
Like he skunt is the hiring manager
Curtis
2022-12-31 03:55:50
Windies2017
2023-01-01 04:30:25
this chap cant even tie shivs shoes
openning
2023-01-01 05:14:43
In reply to runout
If it were up to some folks, Shiv would never have played for the WI. For some reason he never measured up tot heir ideals, whatever they were.
Very few cricket fans after seeing Shiv believe that nonsense, we all knew the contributions of Joe Solomon, Gomes and Lougie.
I've alway stated he is the better version of that super group.
I am so proud to see Shiv taken up the mantle, and getting involve in coaching, something which his dad did for him.
TriniStar
2023-01-01 16:59:26
Headley
2023-01-01 17:39:40
pooranian
2023-01-01 19:19:37
I will never hand over the coaching job to me ..me..me..fcuk the team shiv..he was never a team player..better to get someone from outside the system in wi to avoid insularity. Better some recently retired player with no will to go back to legendary 80's wi history..time to start from scratch..
