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February 16 1962

 
Chrissy 2023-02-16 11:37:48 

was financed by the CIA and the Brits

Never forget that - the files are open. My father went to his Indian brethren's business that day and rescued him. Dem Berbicians were loyal to their friends.

Black Friday for Guyanese living in Guyana is Friday, February 16, 1962, when PNC rioters and arsonists took to the streets of Georgetown in collusion with the UF to loot and burn mostly East Indian businesses, and remove an elected PPP Premier, Dr. Cheddi Jagan and his Government, with the blessing of UK and U.S.

 
WI_cricfan 2023-02-16 14:13:19 

In reply to Chrissy
Be careful Chrissy, Dukes will say "that is ancient history" just like he did about LFSB banning Aloo, Dhal and Flour

 
Chrissy 2023-02-16 15:05:10 

In reply to WI_cricfan
Forget at our peril

 
Brerzerk 2023-02-16 18:03:37 

In reply to Chrissy
Driving to work and listening NPR this morning I heard there's now proof that
The CIA/Pinochet poisoned The Chilean Poet and Nobel Laureate Pablo Neruda

Babylon Shitstem is a vampire...

 
Chrissy 2023-02-16 20:36:01 

In reply to Brerzerk
Of course they did

 
XDFIX 2023-02-16 20:48:53 

In reply to Chrissy

What was it for them? Did they foresee the oil?

 
Dukes 2023-02-16 21:09:49 

In reply to WI_cricfan

Dukes will say "that is ancient history" just like he did about LFSB banning Aloo, Dhal and Flour


1962 is not "Ancient History"
However unless you adequately research the PL 480 program then you have an inadequate understanding as to just what took place with respect to the banning of wheat flour by Burnham and the attempt to suggest that it only affected one race is disingenuous at best.I left Guyana in 1974 before it took place but even so I knew of the tremendous suffering it caused amongst ALL RACES.

 
WI_cricfan 2023-02-16 21:34:16 

 
CricSham 2023-02-16 21:55:25 

In reply to Dukes
Dukes I am not sure exactly where you are trying to go with this perhaps you can explain a little bit about that PL anancy story you’re pitching. I worked iat the ministry of finance - Loans - in the 70s. I’m waiting.

 
Dukes 2023-02-16 22:16:13 

In reply to CricSham

I have an e-mail attachment but I am unable to put it on this website.PM me your e-mail and you could put it on here after I send you the e-mail with attachment.

Apologies for my poor computer skills

 
CricSham 2023-02-16 23:08:29 

In reply to Dukes
That’s OK dukes You can stick to that story. big grin

 
Chrissy 2023-02-16 23:33:29 

The West on Trial is a very good read

 
Dukes 2023-02-17 00:37:16 

In reply to CricSham

Long held beliefs are unlikely to change regardless of facts.That is how humans are.

 
CITYBOY 2023-02-17 02:08:22 

Since 1492 the pink boys have treated every other race as garbage ..and they have engaged the puppeteers from and within the races ... they are masters of divide and conquer and that ain’t about to stop .... a puppeteer is always out there ..
You can’t stop the pinkos ... it s just the way it is !!

 
CricSham 2023-02-17 12:06:16 

In reply to Dukes

Long held beliefs are unlikely to change regardless of facts.That is how humans are.

Which you so aptly demonstrate.

 
Dukes 2023-02-17 12:41:10 

In reply to CricSham

1 PL480 programme allowed countries to purchase American wheat at a highly subsidized price, for milling locally .

2. The Americans were dissatisfied that permission had been given to Cuba for its planes to refuel in Guyana on their way to ferry troops to Angola.

3.The Americans removed Guyana from access to the PL 480 program as a result of # 2

4.The price of wheaten flour dramatically increased as a result

5 It is interesting to note that every CARICOM country has a flour mill, but none grows wheat, and all depend on the PL480 arrangement to provide the wheat for the mills to produce flour for their populations.

6. According to the Brazilian scientist, the PL480 was used as a carrot with the South American population to wean them off of a corn-based diet. With that accomplished they were forever enslaved to the wheat habit.

 
imusic 2023-02-17 13:00:41 

In reply to Dukes

It’s often about the money

 
Dukes 2023-02-17 13:01:18 

General information

 
Brerzerk 2023-02-17 18:01:05 

In reply to Dukes
I have often wondered how lethal yellowing attacked JA's oil producing coconut trees so dramatically.
Now most poor Jamaicans use corn and soybean oil imported from Murca to cook their Chicken Back (imported from Murca) and callaloo.
Add Reagan's liberalization to that n wi is food slaves with nuh security

 
Dukes 2023-02-17 19:16:32 

In reply to Brerzerk

Remember the line in the Gibran poem from The Prophet

“pity the nation that eats a bread it does not sow.”

 
CricSham 2023-02-17 19:51:53 

In reply to Dukes
Dukes that PL 480 anancy story is just that. Allow me please to enlighten you. The PL 480 issue of which you speak never affected wheat. It was a direct order from the office of the president to stop purchase. I know this to be a fact. I was fully aware of all the PL at the time. My job at Finance was to service the International Debt. AG Dept would inform Treasury of payments due, and it was my responsibility to prepare the letter for FE Hope to sign authorizing Bank of Guyana to effect payment. I would then go to Bank of Guyana and personally hand deliver the authorization. This was done to ensure that payment was made on time because one day late meant thousand of dollars in late fees. So pretty please, with a little sugar on top, stop peddling that untruth.

The banned items were primarily of the Indian diet. Was the ban meant to focus on local, local dishes - that was the president's position for the ban - or was it meant to discriminate against the Indians? No one can say definitively, that is up for speculation.
I done.

 
Dukes 2023-02-18 20:22:29 

In reply to CricSham

. The PL 480 issue of which you speak never affected wheat



Please explain.

Public Law 480


Under PL 480, close to $35 billion worth of farm commodities have been shipped abroad since 1955. Half of this has been wheat and wheat flour. During the late 1950s and early 1960s, the value of PL 480 reached one-third of total US agricultural exports. Today, food aid constitutes less than five percent of all agricultural exports. Less than four million metric tons of wheat products annually are now shipped under the program, compared with a peak of 15 million metric tons in the early 1960s.

PL 480 enables food-deficit “friendly countries


For my education since I never lived in Guyana as an adult until 1988.Please explain to me which of these or maybe all of these are false

1 PL480 programme allowed countries to purchase American wheat at a highly subsidized price, for milling locally .

2. The Americans were dissatisfied that permission had been given to Cuba for its planes to refuel in Guyana on their way to ferry troops to Angola.

3.The Americans removed Guyana from access to the PL 480 program as a result of # 2

4.The price of wheaten flour dramatically increased as a result

5 It is interesting to note that every CARICOM country has a flour mill, but none grows wheat, and all depend on the PL480 arrangement to provide the wheat for the mills to produce flour for their populations.

6. According to the Brazilian scientist, the PL480 was used as a carrot with the South American population to wean them off of a corn-based diet. With that accomplished they were forever enslaved to the wheat habit.

 
CowLasher 2023-02-19 06:14:25 

I have vivid memories of standing in Thomas Street, Kitty and watching smoke rising from fires burning in downtown Georgetown. I also remember the intimidating sight/sound of British soldiers dressed in camouflage pants and boots on PT runs from Thomas Lands through the streets of Kitty. What I can't pinpoint is a date as I definitely would have been too young to remember events in 1962. But I do recall the bombing of the R.H. Carr and the Freedom House fire so perhaps my memories are from 1964.

 
CricSham 2023-02-19 14:44:05 

In reply to Dukes
Nice blond try Dukes. The real issue, as you are fully aware, is you stating that there was no ban on wheat: that it was an act of retaliation by the US. It is that untruth which I addressed, specifically, that the actions of the US did not affect wheat but rather a directive from the office of the president was the reason. (Btw, thanks for the recap on the PL program in Guyana irrelevant as it is to the issue).
Dukes, whoever provided you with that anancy story was, at best, woefully ill-informed or worse, being disingenuous, or to use the clinical term, LIAD. We got the paperwork at Finance regarding the office of the president's decision.

 
Dukes 2023-02-19 15:13:15 

In reply to CricSham

you stating that there was no ban on wheat:


Where the hell did I say that???

 
Dukes 2023-02-19 15:17:20 

In reply to CricSham

you have an inadequate understanding as to just what took place with respect to the banning of wheat flour by Burnham and the attempt to suggest that it only affected one race is disingenuous at best


you stating that there was no ban on wheat