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WI has one big problem

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-11 21:05:35 

the fact that we do not have a solid or talented middle order. The management and CWI will have to find some way to get shimron, pooran and brandon king to play FC cricket and test cricket. Darren bravo in the side is also a must.

 
PalsofMine 2023-03-11 21:29:00 

In reply to Jumpstart

who goes to make way for them if they decide to play? I agree that on paper they appear to be the most talented of our middle order batsmen

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-11 21:33:57 

In reply to PalsofMine

reifer is definitely out, so is chase and I'd put blackwood and mayers on notice. they have big technical chinks that require immediate attention. in fact mayers might only stay on for his bowling

 
camos 2023-03-11 21:34:14 

In reply to PalsofMine
Is that a trick question, for the answer is obvious? lol

 
camos 2023-03-11 21:35:56 

In reply to Jumpstart
Reifer and Chase need to be replaced with two batsmen, not allrounders.

 
sudden 2023-03-11 21:38:52 

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Poorman, Hety or Bing would have been more successful on this tour of SA than present players. None whatsoever

 
PalsofMine 2023-03-11 21:41:47 

In reply to sudden

i agree that there is no objective evidence but I think that we can all see talent when on display. The sad fact is that if this current batting line up is the best in the WI then we coucou cooked AND crapaud smoke we pipe.

 
sudden 2023-03-11 21:47:09 

In reply to PalsofMine

we all know the problems. We bury our heads in the sand swapping out Shoite fuh shit and hoping for the best.

Until someone comes up with a plan we will have to endure these devastating losses punctuated with the odd victory.


We could look for some professional WI linked players in Eng or Oz or anywhere to play for us until we solve our domestic competition issues

 
camos 2023-03-11 21:48:06 

In reply to Jumpstart

reifer is definitely out, so is chase and I'd put blackwood and mayers on notice. they have big technical chinks that require immediate attention. in fact mayers might only stay on for his bowling



Lets be honest Myers is not going to average more than 30-32 with the bat, so the Longterm plan should have him batting about 7, his bowling will go places with proper guidance. He is definitely the type of player who can singlehandedly win you a game.

 
allan 2023-03-11 22:04:22 

In reply to camos

I said it in another thread, we need to play proper batters and bowlers ..
bits and pieces cricketers don’t work

 
sudden 2023-03-11 22:09:36 

In reply to allan

I don’t disagree

Can you kindly name the proper batsmen and bowlers?

 
Barry 2023-03-11 22:29:32 

In reply to sudden

Non Bajans….

 
Barry 2023-03-11 22:29:36 

In reply to sudden

Non Bajans….

 
sudden 2023-03-11 22:31:47 

In reply to Barry

Fair enough

Just name them

 
Headley 2023-03-12 01:24:10 

In reply to sudden

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Poorman, Hety or Bing would have been more successful on this tour of SA than present players. None whatsoever


Therefore in the meantime keep picking 6 Bajans. We have 3 Bajan selectors, what could go wrong? lol big grin lol

 
velo 2023-03-12 01:44:44 

In reply to Barry
non trinis
lol

 
WICFan 2023-03-12 10:54:08 

In reply to Jumpstart

King is probably the most likely, at least he plays some fc cricket.

I don't know what is going on in Hetmyer, whether it's family issues or someone in his ear, from the outside it does come across as an attitude problem. Missing flights, not appearing for club matches if/when available etc.

If Pooran is really keen on playing tests then I'm sure he, his T/20 franchise and regional boards could arrange for him to miss a couple of weeks of a tournament to play a couple of fc games to see where exactly he's at in red ball cricket.

 
Onionman0 2023-03-12 11:30:18 

In reply to Jumpstart

In unison with you on Hety & Bravo....

Pooran & King..not my pick...
Pooran,red ball credentials unknown
King, red ball game... questionable
Hope...needs massive improvement

Imlach
Goolie
Athanaze
Kacy
Wickham
Should be groomed....

Dowrich
Bonner should be kept in loop...both has trouble with short ball...but if they can overcome by playing regional....they have proven to be match winners in the past...

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-12 12:17:45 

In reply to Onionman0

pooran has one critical feature that makes him suitable to red ball cricket......he's one of the few WI bats amen who isn't afraid of the short ball.

King has class, just needs to play more fc games

hope on the other hand also has class but is as poor a player of short pitched bowling as ganguly. its not technical so it can be fixed

 
WICFan 2023-03-12 12:29:36 

In reply to Jumpstart

With Pooran as well you've got an attack minded batsman to come in after the steady approach by the openers and the recent no. 3s.

 
openning 2023-03-12 13:37:04 

Are you people know Pooran has only played 5 FC matches, has not scored a ton, has an average of 31.9. what is interesting to me is, being stumped twice.
Can he concentrate for 3-4 hours?
He is selected for a format that his memory is use to, that's where is belong.

 
Overthrow 2023-03-12 13:54:31 

In reply to Onionman0

I like your thought process, Dowrich is a nonstarter for me. As I mentioned before King is talented, his issue relates to his head falling away on some of his offside strokes. This has to be addressed first.

 
sudden 2023-03-12 13:54:56 

In reply to openning

You really taking these punters seriously

This is the typical (TNPITBP) reaction-the next player is the best player ….until he actually plays

 
Onionman0 2023-03-12 14:35:40 

In reply to Jumpstart

Pooran has already walk past red ball cricket.....he went to New Zealand with the team... played F.C. .....then entire thing fizz out....he hasn't played regional red ball.....it is safe to say, he is beyond red ball cricket....

King is yet to prove himself in white ball cricket...red ball massive jump...

 
Onionman0 2023-03-12 14:42:33 

In reply to Overthrow

What I want the board to do...pick 4-5 very young players....give them contract for 4 years under Emerging Players Category..they can be included in red or white ball team... something akin to County Cricket or football league contract...which will allow West Indies Board to utilise the players, upon whom they invest...these players can not be taken away by T-20 league......

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-12 15:14:56 

In reply to Onionman0

Pooran has already walk past red ball cricket.....he went to New Zealand with the team... played F.C. .....then entire thing fizz out....he hasn't played regional red ball.....it is safe to say, he is beyond red ball cricket

he walked passed red ball cricket when he was placed in the worst franchise in the now defunct PCL, which was the leeward islands franchise. And there was pressure on him to chose playing for that losing franchise, over a lucrative T20 league contract. You do not deal with players who have other options by using coercion. That is part of the problem. We are left with players who for the most part do not and will not have better options apart from playing with the WI, captain includes. Pooran is infinitely better technically(and talent wise) than any player on the team right now.

 
NYCGURU 2023-03-12 15:26:09 

In reply to sudden

You have hit it out of the park kind Sir. The backup Quarterback is always everyone's favorite until he becomes the starter.My older Bro likes to say, six of one half a dozen of the other. It used to be Ambris, now it's King until he plays and is found wanting.

 
Onionman0 2023-03-12 15:33:33 

In reply to Jumpstart

Pooran was banned for refusal to play for Leeward 2016.... thereafter, ban was revoked..... he played for West Indies in T-20....debut in ODI 2019...went to New Zealand in 2020-21....played Tour game against New Zealand A.... thereafter, made captain of ODI.... further,each time during these period....,each selectors talked to him for red ball cricket....but nothing happened...

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-12 15:55:48 

In reply to Onionman0

Pooran was banned for refusal to play for Leeward 2016

you're proving what i'm saying genius. Pooran was picked for the leewards in november of 2016........he was also picked for the mumbai indians around the same sime, for the 2017 season of the ipl.....who do you think he'd pick...a poorly paid gig with a losing franchise or the IPL....and they banned him. As i said, you cannot use coercion for people who have options. its not a hotel resort

 
Overthrow 2023-03-12 16:13:40 

My opinion only; players such as Lewis, King, Pooran, Hetmeyer and Rutherford have no vested interest in red ball cricket. They say the right things to appease their supporters with respect to their loyalty. They may also think they have been “hard done by “ by CWI. Their decision to maximize their potential income in franchise cricket are personal decisions that should be respected. Our cricket has to move past what could have been to grooming the young players who are willing to become invested in the red ball game. Our current middle order batting is a train wreck. OnionmanO has an admirable approach to allow for success.

 
camos 2023-03-12 16:58:35 

In reply to Overthrow

Our current middle order batting is a train wreck. OnionmanO has an admirable approach to allow for success.

If the middle had a decent start in one inning we could have done better !

 
cricketmad 2023-03-12 20:03:47 

In reply to camos

I hope you know hat many here see the current openers as the second coming of Greenidge ,and Haynes .

 
Maispwi 2023-03-12 21:14:20 

In reply to Jumpstart

Man u jumping from place to place but dats to be expected given ur name.

First it was de Windwards and an unnamed T20 League, den it was de Leewards and de IPL. Ah sure u will get the correct details when u tek ur next jump. P.S. am sure you know dat de IPL doh play in November

 
Jumpstart 2023-03-12 21:29:26 

In reply to Maispwi

The draft is before the IPL genius. Besides, it’s not difficult to mix them up. Both the leewards and the windwards are rubbish sides that have contributed virtually nothing in the last 25 years