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My team also.
#1 Conrad Hunte (44 Tests, 3245 runs at 45.06)
#2 Gordon Greenidge (108 Tests, 7558 runs at 44.72)
#3 Everton Weekes (48 Tests, 4455 runs at 58.61)
#4 Seymour Nurse (29 Tests, 2523 runs at 47.60)
#5 Clyde Walcott (wk) (44 Tests, 3798 runs at 56.68; 53 catches, 11 stumpings)
#6 Garfield Sobers (93 Tests, 8032 runs at 57.78; 235 wickets at 34.03)
#7 Frank Worrell (capt) (51 Tests, 3860 runs at 49.4
#8 Malcolm Marshall (81 Tests, 376 wickets at 20.94)
#9 Joel Garner (58 Tests, 259 wickets at 20.97)
#10 Wes Hall (48 Tests, 192 wickets at 26.3
#11 Charlie Griffith (28 Tests, 94 wickets at 28.54)

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In reply to openning

If you had to pick a spinner who would you pick?

In reply to Narper

ASHLEY NURSE......barbados was fast bowling Val haler, spinners probably used to get a bowl every 3 games or so or if the umps was concerned about light and he might force the cappo to put on a spinner

Shocked Raymon Reifer, Chase, and Brooks not included

In reply to Narper
I guess Sobers would perform the spin duties

No way Charlie Griffith was a better fast bowler than Kemar Roach

He wasn’t even better than Syl Clarke or Fidel Edwards.

In reply to openning

i dont that team can beat an all time great Tit team

In reply to imusic

it wasn't a list of their best 111

In reply to doosra

Fair enough

WISDEN Barbados test XI
Desmond Haynes. Jason Holder and Kemar Roach are in

Every now and then this topic comes up and I still think that a Barbados All Time XI, whatever permutation you choose, will hold its own against any international All Time team ever.

Legend after legend after legend.

I am trying to imagine the Charlie Griffith of 1963 bowling to the Batsmen from Bangladesh that Roach played against and I am thinking...............

32 wickets in 5 test matches at 16 apiece against the likes of Cowdrey,Barrington,Dexter et al.

Terrorizing Kanhai,Butcher and Solomon at Kensington. B.G 13-3 make that 13-4, Kanhai clean bowled!!! Oh no it was a no-ball!!!

Oh well some people know better.

In reply to Narper
Wisdom is not picking we team, Charlie any day, any format ahead of Roach.
Dessie and I agree, that's my team also.
Sir Gary will be the spinner

In reply to Dukes

Would Charlie Griffith withstand pelting scrutiny today?

In reply to sudden
Were you one of them school boys that got sick on Friday nights before a game against the Blues?

In reply to Dukes

How old was Charlie Griffith in 1963 versus tKemar Roach’s age when he bowled against Bangladesh in 2022?

Nostalgia is a powerful drug yeah

In reply to imusic

I am yet to hear of any cricketer in the Island, afraid of Roach bowling to them, Charles Griffith made players sick the eve of a match, that's how fearsome he was.
As a Blue, it was enjoyable.
Wes had a side kick, they fed off each other, Charlie had no partner that was running in from close to the boundary.
You can take them International stats and ignite them.
Accuse my player of chucking, even Fuzzy did.

In reply to openning

How come Patterson Thompson didn't make that list?

Bowling Stats
Roach 77 Tests
Griffith 28 test

Griffith
Home and Away

Roach
Home and Away

In reply to SnoopDog

A former secretary of the club he played for told me, no former player assisted him, Charlie was the player he was talking about.He said former player would show up at regional and International matches, but spent no time with club players during practice on evening.
Patterson and Charlie were members of Empire cricket club.

In reply to Narper

Sir Gary

In reply to openning

Of course they were fearful. Chucking a ball at 80 mph plus is no small thing.

And young Kemar Roach was faster than Charlie Griffith ever was.

Ask Ricky Ponting

In reply to imusic
Can you imagine Charlie playing in Australia?
I've seen Charlie in real time, maybe 200 times more than I have seen Kemar, Charlie was mean.

In reply to openningroach was seriously quick back in the day him and corey collymore before all his back injuries were the fastest in the country they were hitting helmets

In reply to openning
He has a reputation of being a a bit of a ass who iz full of himself

In reply to velo

They was a player playing for wanderers, I believe his name was Goot Proverbs a heavy built guys, he love to go after the bowling, Charlie one Saturday sorted him out, by bowling a few short deliveries, he was so mad he threatened Charlie with his bat, next ball was a Snorter, Proverbs left the field shouting you are Ra-- hole crazy, I am not going to let you kill me.
Thats the kind of bowler Charles Griffith was.
If you are Barbadian, ask any Spartan fan about him, the rivalry was always Spartan vs Empire.
Wes had Anthony Mayers, they bowled in pairs, Charlie was a one man bandit.
Cammie Smith the captain of Spartan will never gave light, on the first ask by the batsman, Sir Everton as soon as the batsman walked towards him, he would take his team off the field.
I was always mad at the time, I asked Sir Everton why he did that, he said some of the guys had families are all the players were amateurs, who is going to feed these families, when the main provider get injured.

i would go with Syl Clarke before either Roach or Griffith on an all time B'dos XI.

I was going with the fast bowler BOTH VIV AND SOBERS said made them feel uneasy: SYLVESTER CLARKE ahead of Charlie Griffith

In reply to PalsofMine
Have you seen Charlie bowled, or are you looking at stats?

In reply to analyst-kid
I saw Sir Gary once in a club match, that was against Pickwick on a rain wicket.
I've never seen him bat against Charlie or Wes in a tournament.

In reply to Narper

Sobers, the 4th best spinner the WI produced.

In reply to analyst-kid

Did Sobers said that, when did Sobers played against Clarke?

In reply to tc1

More importantly when did Viv play against Charlie

If Bumrah’s action is clean Charlie’s is pristine

In reply to openning

Man……when you saw Charlie play….he was playing against gully cricketers

Steupes

In reply to imusic
Like Brian and Charlie Davis and the T&T teams.
Rohan, Basil, Solomon and the BG team, Who can forget my boy Pinnock, he played one of the best inning I have seen.He even told me the art of beach cricket is to get the ball to move away from the ocean.
As far as gully cricket, I will not be surprise if Sir Everton, Seymour and Charlie played in the Gully growing up.

In reply to imusic

You post bare shoite recently, you becoming unhinged like Jumpy.

In reply to sudden

These guys post bare shoite, Charlie run every regional cricketer during his playing day, even the great Kanhai only got pass 50 once against him.

In reply to imusic

There is so much about me that you have absolutely no idea about and as a result you are profoundly wrong

In reply to openning

Charlie is from Checker Hall,st.Lucy, he joined Empire at 20, and Bim at 21.

In reply to tc1
I start going to lessons in Pinfold Street every Saturday morning and would walk to Dayrells Rd, The Park, Bank Hall, Kensington Oval Harrison College A ground and Carlton, to watch Empire.
I believe I saw Charlie playing for a BCL team prior to him playing for the Blues, I had a number of school mates from the city, that I played school cricket and attended lessons with,
JO Morris who came from St.Giles to St. Matthews brought a number of his students with him, I became one of the student that was under his wings.
My first interaction with Charlie was at Pebble beach one Sunday morning, playing beach cricket.
Charlie would get to the beach at 7 am, would bowl until 11 am, then join some group in the country for Sunday matches.
My games master who became a mentor and a friend, was secretary of Empire and a Barbados scorer,

In reply to Dukes

Well, Charlie was my boyhood hero. They used to tell me me I bowled and “Chucked’ like him, but I would have none of latter.

In my youth, I live just a few blocks from the old Empire Cricket Club, where I saw plenty of likes of Weekes, Nurse, Brancker and Charlie at practice during the week and at play over the weekends. Those were the glory days of Bajan cricket. Charlie would forever be in my Bajan XI.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Here is Freddie Trueman on Charlie, Sonny Ramadhin and Courtney Walsh. Do you agree with his conclusions?

There are more cameras today and technology, rather than naked eye assessments of bygone eras.

In reply to openning
Why do you (and others) respond to Imusic as if he trying to engage in a serious technical discussion about the quality of cricketers. The subject of this thread is like a red tag to the imusic bull. He is consumed with resentment about Barbados' rich cricket legacy. When he elevates Roach over Griffith, alludes to Griffith pelting and bizarrely suggest Griffith only played against gully cricketers* he is not trying to elevate Roach, but to tear down Charlie

(*though perhaps with this latter comment he honestly has no awareness of the standard and quality of Barbados' domestic cricket in Griffith's time.)

In reply to imusic

Pick your best TnT 11 or shut yuh hole

In reply to Logic
Imusic is my brother, Friend and Neighbour, just don't listen to him at the races.

In reply to Casper

Of the three named bowlers I've only seen Walsh live, and I am convinced that he threw the odd on here and there.

Dessie is entitled to his opinion.

Barbados has a rich vein of pacers over the years.

Charlie or Roach; both great.

Pick your and let Dessie pick his.

There are no wrong answers.

Notice Dessie left himself out, yet Wisden has him in theirs.

Opinions......

In reply to openning

Spartan had a 3prong attack, Wes,Mayers and George Rock.Charles never played BCL
in the city. He played in Pie Corner/ Boscobel area

In reply to tc1
It was Hammie Holder I saw playing for Victoria against Arsenal. just got confirmation for my older bro.
We first saw Charlie playing for Empire, my brother played for Yorkshire for 7-8 years before joining me here in 1973.

In reply to TanteMerle

Goes to show that Wisden is not what it USED TO WAS.

Any person who has watched the entire careers of Hunte and Haynes and who knows their cricket will tell you who was the better opening batsman.

Keep them honest Dukesy

In reply to openning

Kool

In reply to Dukes
How would any thinking fan would separate Haynes and Greenidge?
I never knew Desmond until he played for the West Indies, Conrad's sister was my school teacher, spent many summers with her at the beach in Prospect St. James, I like Wisdom will not separate them.
TanteMerle, don't even know the history of people that coach him.
I once said Mark Stoute and I opened for Barbados youth in a trial match, he knowing Mark as a bowlers questioned me, to apologize a few days later.

Hunte first choice everytime as was Charlie. Love Roach and Clarke. Charlie would run through the best of them the past 20 years. Steep vicious bounce limited you from even trying to attact.

What TanteMerle said: of the names there aren't really any wrong answers.

Which players are undisputed from the list?

Each of the 3Ws, Sobers, Garner and Marshall? Those all seem like locks in any situation, any surface, any opponent.
Is Greenidge undisputed? Hall?

[b]In reply to tc1[/b

Sobers played club cricket up to 1975 so he would have met Clarke playing for BCL and himself playing for Banks.
Viv met Clarke whenever Somerset met Surrey.

Sobers also met Viv when Barbados played the Combined Islands in the early 70s.

When Rowe made his famous 302, both Sobers and Roberts were in that WI team.

In reply to analyst-kid

Maybe Regional cricket, but not local.
I have only seen him once playing for Police, the year I believe to be 1961, Police needed only 1st inning lead to win the tournament, Empire was playing a school and was close second
I walked from Pinfold street to Kensington to see that match, also received a signed ball from Sir Gary, Tony White clean him up
Sir was asked what happened, he said he was playing for the ball to turn and it was straight as an arrow, Tony White was asked the same question, Tony said the ball moved so far from the bat, Gary had no time to play it.
Police won the cup that year, I remember being so upset with Sir Gary coming out to represent Police, having yet to see him play any local cricket in Barbados.

In reply to analyst-kid

A much more consequential meeting between these 2 greats took place when Somerset played Nottinghamshire in the John Player League in July 1974.Viv blasted a peerless 108* and Sobers called the newly appointed captain of the West Indies,Clive Lloyd and told him about the innings.Clive's response was he knows all about Viv and will be lobbying for his inclusion in the team for India in a couple of months.
When Lloyd flew down to Barbados to help select the team he had to argue with a couple of the selectors for Viv.

Viv scored 192* in the second test and the rest is history.

In reply to openning


Sobers played against Hall in a famous victory Trinidad had over Barbados in the late 60s...Hall represented Trinidad

In reply to analyst-kid
That was a regional match.
I saw Sir Gary single handily bowled out T&T at the mecca.
Saw him numerous times representing Barbados.
Local cricket is when he played for Police
Regional cricket is when he played for Barbados

In reply to analyst-kid

I just looked up Hall playing for Trinidad and Tobago.
Hall only played 13 matches in his career for Barbados and took 41 wickets at 30.19 apiece
He played 9 matches for Trinidad and Tobago and took 23 wickets at 27.08 apiece
I find that remarkable.

Sobers also singlehandly bowled out Aus in Aus in a test match leading WI to victory in the presence of Hall and Griffith.

De man was a boss.

Sobers scarcely played cricket in bim,I saw Sobers against Maple in 1965, he was rarely in Bim in

the 60s,I cannot tell you about the 70s since I was living in the concrete jungle.

In reply to tc1
Desmond Haynes never played against him

In reply to analyst-kid

I remember that was the first test in 1968 at Brisbane and he took 6-73.He got most of those wicket bowling his Chinaman and googlies and after the match he said that because he had a floating bone in his shoulder, bowling that style aggravated the pain and he would no longer be bowling that style any more.