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Former West Indies captain Sir Clive Lloyd said that his former outstanding opener Desmond Haynes should have been named the West Indies batting coach instead of being appointed to the lead selector position.

Lloyd was speaking during an interview on the Mason & Guest Show on Tuesday night on the Voice of Barbados.

The legendary skipper, arguably the region’s most successful captain, said: “I told him (Haynes) he got the wrong job. I said ‘You are a batsman of class’. I said: ‘You should be coaching our batsmen’ and he agreed with me. But you see the point is...we are not thinking about this thing properly,” said Lloyd.

Lloyd, a former chairman of selectors himself and former WI team manager, said the situation on the women’s side of the equation was also requiring further attention.

He added that the Windies need to follow the example of the other higher-ranked countries like Australia, South Africa, India, New Zealand etc. and become involved in Test cricket. “If you look at the situation where women cricketers are concerned. Look at the countries that are doing well...their longer game helps their shorter game and we are not looking at that. We are just grooming guys and girls to just hit the ball. We want some people to concentrate and still find the gaps; that don’t give away their hand and that’s why we are falling short,” he contended.

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So when he was in charge, why he didn’t implement dem tings.

Easy to talk from de sidelines.

I get this and agree, but how can West Indies women get to a point where they're playing long form cricket? Haven't played a Test in nearly TWO DECADES. Gone through the entirety of the careers of Stafanie, Anisa and Deandra without even a sniff at a multi-day match.

Is this one for the ICC to solve or for CWI (or its member boards) to pursue?

In reply to imusic

1.When was Lloyd in charge.Please state calendar years and position he held at that time

2.Was he ever "Director of cricket?


I suspect you are talking about when he was Chairman of Selectors which clearly means he was not in charge.If you mean when he was WI Manager then tell us how were we doing then.

BTW Mebbe Lloyd is equally as stupid as I am because he is saying the same thing I have been saying.We have to focus on the long game as people who are good at the long game will improve their short game.The likes of Pooran,King and Hetmyer will get better at the short game if they play the long game.We have to stop having our domestic first class season when our top players are playing in white ball competition for the West Indies.
I find myself saying the same thing over and over for the past 4 years.

In reply to Dukes

reminds me of this:

In reply to Dukes

Given the above, When exactly (what months) would be ideal for CWI to have their domestic first class season?

I have always said on this blog that Desmond Haynes is a misfit as chairman of selectors. He would have been in a much better position to help our guys with their batting. To me one doesn’t have to be a former batting great or bowling great to serve as chief selector. Anyone with a good brain can do that job. However, not anyone can be a good batting coach or bowling coach. I fully endorse Sir Clive Lloyd on this one

In reply to Sylobaby

Does Haynes have a good brain?

In reply to imusic

I need help with Desmond Haynes coaching experience, Clive Llyod should be talking more of Shive, because right after his playings day, he got into coaching.

In reply to openning

you suggesting Haynes not a competent coach

he suggesting Haynes would be a more competent coach than selector

come to your own conclusion

In reply to doosra
Former West Indies captain Sir Clive Lloyd said that his former outstanding opener Desmond Haynes should have been named the West Indies batting coach instead of being appointed to the lead selector position.
Who has Desmond Haynes coach, since his playing days?
Why most of you oldsters sit on the couch, this oldster pays money to teachers, to learn to dance and golf, I pay professional qualify teachers.

In reply to imusic

If you have been looking at West Indies cricket for the last 50 odd years you would know that our first class season HAS ALWAYS been January to March..

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

But you see the point is...we are not thinking about this thing properly,” said Lloyd.

Lloyd's most telling contribution. Deserves a whole unending discussion. Why are we NOT THINKING through the things we do re:cricket in the Caribbean? When are we intending to start thinking through what we are doing with WI cricket?

A lot of us spend time on Desmond Haynes when the focus should be on James Adams as DoC. I can't believe that Jimmy is not a thinker of the game, or that he is incapable of articulating and executing sound policy. He spent a bit of time in administration in England, albeit at county level and whilst Kent felt short changed by his overall efforts at the least he had to have come away with a few workable ideas for WI. My question is, what has hamstrung James in the execution of his remit? I'd love for someone to get him one-on-one and ask the hard questions.

In reply to doosra

I never suggest no such thing, I asked a question.

In reply to openning

You’re entitled to a refund because people who know you say that you dance like you have two left feet

In reply to FanAttick
I have more moves than the Soul Train dancers and Ben Vereen.
My best friend of 49 years almost got into a fight, he brought his chair unto the dance floor, because he was block from seeing me dance, when asked why he brought the chair unto the floor, he said, they only one dancer in this place, and I wanted to see him.
Don't block my new when he is dancing.
My wife is the dancer.
When I first started lesson, I would practice alone for about 4 hours daily.

In reply to WI_cricfan

Even if I don’t like his team selection style I would never disrespect Desmond Haynes by suggesting he doesn’t have a good brain. My point is he is in doing the wrong job and that will not help the development of the West Indies. I am a very strong critic of his as chief selector. We need him on the cricket field to help these young batters understand what it is to bat.

In reply to Sylobaby
This former player was destined to be a Head Coach, his career was geared toward becoming one, he lasted one season.
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In reply to openning

good one there, Ops

i dare any coach to do that with/to a WI player

the player would not receive it well

he would claim he was disrespected and complain to his parents, his board and the papers etc.

if Singletarry had said this about one of our players there would be no end to the criticism he would get from fans right here

and Singletarry would have been fired

listen to how Vernon Davis responded

their continues to be this perception that because you excelled as a player in a given sport that imediately transfers to other areas like coaching, manager,in haynes case a selector that is not always the case look at michael jordan excellent player but probally the worst manager/owner in nba history a man so talented can not spot talent himself.

haynes was a legendary cricketer but don't think if he is coach or selector is going to make a huge diference the problems with wi cricket run far deeper

In reply to Dukes

U Bajan?

In reply to sudden
I was not aware of this, so thanks for the info.
We continue to learn and get better.