“Every time it comes up there are emotional reactions from people around the world based on fear and ignorance and I’ve no doubt we will see them all again this time. The reality is that this new process provides the game with a sensible way forward to properly protect against people breaking the rules while providing every opportunity for players with illegal actions to remedy any problems and return to the game.”
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ICC and illegal actions
2023-03-30 09:51:36
2023-03-30 10:47:12
In reply to Dukes
Preach bro.
2023-03-30 11:14:13
Fear and ignorance of the crabs against Narine- Al least somebody working with him but no crabs for Beaton- just pretenders 
2023-03-30 12:09:19
In reply to Dukes
The Article itself testimony......how influential nations saved their star players.... Murali collected 500 test wickets, when the ICC rule was 5 degree.... Harbajan did the same.... Saqlain was never called...Shoib Akhtar got scot free but West Indies fast bowler Lawson was banned, which ruined his career.....ICC formally under pressure from Subcontinent nations changed the rule.... West Indies has suffered most due to ICC.... framing of Rules or amendment...
2023-03-30 12:12:13
In reply to Onionman0
Again retard, hyperextension 
2023-03-30 13:18:55
In reply to Dukes
Has Jasprit Bumrah ever been called? If not, why not?
Asking for a friend
2023-03-30 13:19:22
In reply to Dukes
That article is from July ‘22
What precipitated its resurrection 
2023-03-30 13:37:30
In reply to FanAttick
Has Jasprit Bumrah ever been called? If not, why not?
Because he does not pelt.
For the last time....hyper-extension is NOT pelting.
2023-03-30 13:42:08
In reply to SnoopDog
Because he does not pelt.
For the last time....hyper-extension is NOT pelting.
For the last time....hyper-extension is NOT pelting.
VERY TRUE
1 question
Do you know the percentage of individuals who have the ability to hyper extend joints and whether there is any ethnic differences in its distribution?
2023-03-30 13:45:44
In reply to Halliwell
That article is from July ‘22
What precipitated its resurrection
What precipitated its resurrection
I posted the article because unlike you who knows the history of the 15 degree cut off and follow these things very closely, some board members do not have your astonishing memory and do not follow these things closely.
2023-03-30 13:48:16
For me another one of those conditionalities in cricket that needs to go the way of the DoDo bird. The only illegal action for a bowler in "high performance" cricket ought to be bowling underhand. As long as a bowler's hand comes over it's legit! Simple.
2023-03-30 13:50:01
In reply to Dukes
1 question
Do you know the percentage of individuals who have the ability to hyper extend joints and whether there is any ethnic differences in its distribution?
Do you know the percentage of individuals who have the ability to hyper extend joints and whether there is any ethnic differences in its distribution?
Question:
Do I really care and is it relevant to the topic at hand?
Answer:
No.
2023-03-30 13:55:47
In reply to SnoopDog
Because he does not pelt.
For the last time....hyper-extension is NOT pelting.
For the last time....hyper-extension is NOT pelting.
Tell me what law of physics can enable a man to walk and generate enough momentum to deliver balls at 150 clicks without pelting?
Momentum is mass in motion, and any moving object can have momentum. An object's change in momentum is equal to its impulse. Impulse is a quantity of force times the time interval. Impulse is not equal to momentum itself; rather, it's the increase or decrease of an object's momentum
In other words, simply put, Bumrah’s impulse is not possible without pelting…
2023-03-30 14:12:06
In reply to FanAttick
This has zero to do with physics.
A bowler pelts because his/her arm is at a right angle just before delivery and straightens at delivery. This is an illegal delivery in cricket.
Hyper-extension is where the bowler's arm is perfectly straight but bent backward at the elbow joint just before delivery and straightens at delivery. This is a legal delivery in cricket.
It still amazes me how many people just cannot discern such a simple distinction between the two.
2023-03-30 14:15:09
In reply to SnoopDog
I’m not asking about hyperextension..I’m asking about impulse and momentum….basic laws of physics ….
My contention is that it is impossible for Bumrah to generate enough impulse to deliver balls at 150 clicks walking instead of running through the crease
2023-03-30 14:16:15
In reply to FanAttick
I’m not asking about hyperextension..I’m asking about impulse and momentum….basic laws of physics ….
That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Umar Gul was also a bowler who hyper-extented. There were/are a few more but they don't come to mind at the moment.
2023-03-30 14:18:56
In reply to FanAttick
My contention is that it is impossible for Bumrah to generate enough impulse to deliver balls at 150 clicks walking instead of running through the crease
Shane Warne used to walk up and bowl 85 mph bouncers with a leggie action.
2023-03-30 14:24:20
In reply to SnoopDog
Shane Warne used to walk up and bowl 85 mph bouncers with a leggie action.
Do you know the difference between 85 clicks and 150 clicks?
2023-03-30 14:26:52
In reply to FanAttick
Do you know the difference between 85 clicks and 150 clicks?
You don't seem to know the difference between mph vs. kph.
Shoaib Akhtar and RP Singh were other bowlers who hyper-extended.
Here is some reading material for you.
2023-03-30 14:29:42
There wil be lots of future Hyperextended bowlers springing up over the next few years 
2023-03-30 14:31:24
In reply to Scar
There wil be lots of future Hyperextended bowlers springing up over the next few years
It's a biological condition. You either have it or you don't. You're either born with it, or you're not.
2023-03-30 14:34:19
In reply to SnoopDogI know! Cricket seems to have quite a few though
2023-03-30 14:36:29
In reply to Scar
Cricket is the only sport that has rules which requires scrutinizing of the player's elbow.
I'm sure there are many people with that condition that play other sports.
2023-03-30 14:45:13
In reply to SnoopDog
You obviously dont know the difference between mph and kph
Shane Warne
In addition to the googly, Warne's top spinner also brought him plenty of wickets. Amongst other successes, it was the ball that secured him his famous Ashes hat-trick in 1994, when David Boon took a spectacular reflex catch at short leg.
His flipper almost developed its own mythology over the course of Warne's career. YouTube highlights of Warne's trademark skidding delivery are particularly brutal, as a myriad of clueless batters are bowled out or caught LBW even before getting their bat into position.
"It takes a lot of finger, wrist and forearm strength to bowl that ball, at that pace," McInnes says.
"Those deliveries would be up around 95-100 kilometres per hour, with no faster run-up and no faster arm action.
His flipper almost developed its own mythology over the course of Warne's career. YouTube highlights of Warne's trademark skidding delivery are particularly brutal, as a myriad of clueless batters are bowled out or caught LBW even before getting their bat into position.
"It takes a lot of finger, wrist and forearm strength to bowl that ball, at that pace," McInnes says.
"Those deliveries would be up around 95-100 kilometres per hour, with no faster run-up and no faster arm action.
2023-03-30 15:12:31
In reply to FanAttick
You obviously don't know the difference between a flipper and a bouncer.
2023-03-30 16:17:44
And, under controlled testing (not matches) one Jermaine Lawson never ever failed a single test but was asked to remodel his action.
That 7fer and 418 chased down bun in Aussie craw dah was all.
2023-03-30 16:21:13
In reply to SnoopDog
You obviously don't know the difference between a flipper and a bouncer.
Are you accusing the late great Shane Warne of pelting?
2023-03-30 16:36:36
In reply to FanAttick
Are you accusing the late great Shane Warne of pelting?
One cannot pelt using a leggie action.
Come on Fan...yuh arguing like Dukes now.
2023-03-30 16:48:18
So we have hyperextension Bhumrah, Akhtar, Harbhajan, Murali, Saqlain..etc. etc..all from subcontinent... Chuckers Lawson,Beaton,Silly etc etc..
Anyhow, Before arm extension limit was increased to 15.... Murli already had 500 wickets, Harbhajan 400, Akhtar 150...Any Physic or cricket expert explain with reasoning why these players were allowed to play and not banned....
2023-03-30 16:52:58
In reply to Onionman0
Murali, Saqlain, Harbhajan, Ashwin, Lawson, Beaton, Narine, Shilly et al did not/do not hyper-extend. They're pelters (or alleged pelters).
Did you even read what hyper-extension is?
2023-03-30 17:50:59
In reply to SnoopDog
Please Sir do what my Grandad would've asked 'Stop Talking Fart!' Shane Warne bowled at what speed???
By the way I was very disappointed and pained when Bumrah having hit down Bravo as if stoning dogs Mr. Ian Raphael Bishop
said on air 'Anyone who says Bumrah is pelting ought to be ashamed of themselves and go look in the mirror'
Assuming Bumrah has never once bowled an illegal delivery when did it become the purview of a commie to scold his audience?
Sometimes whether wittingly or unwittingly we stoop too low.
2023-03-30 18:49:23
In reply to Brerzerk
'Anyone who says Bumrah is pelting ought to be ashamed of themselves and go look in the mirror'
Bish was right.
It will always amaze me that some people will mistake hyper-extension with pelting, even after the difference has been explained to them.
2023-03-30 18:57:03
In reply to Onionman0
The retarded skunts of these small islands do not believe in hyperextension . .
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2023-03-30 18:59:23
According to other West Indians, hyperextension doesn't exist . . . If ah laugh ah sht pee
2023-03-30 19:02:14
God is an iron
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2023-03-30 19:06:33
Any departments of kinesiology in these nasty islands?
Kinesiology means 'the study of movement'. The term is also used by complementary medicine practitioners to describe a form of therapy that uses muscle monitoring (biofeedback) to look at what may be causing 'imbalances' in the body and attempts to relieve these imbalances
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No wonder all yuh can't help Beaton
2023-03-30 19:18:20
In reply to Barry the itty bitty tittie
No wonder all yuh can't help Beaton
They couldn't help Sunil either. Shame.
2023-03-30 19:28:46
In reply to SnoopDog
But Sunil still playing- Beaton's time is up
2023-03-30 19:31:12
In reply to SnoopDog
You do realize fool that your pictures prove nothing . . .
a ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand
If ah lasugh, ah fart shit brains called snoop
2023-03-30 19:50:46
In reply to Barry the itty bitty tittie
But Sunil still playing- Beaton's time is up
I don't care if they playing or not playing.
They're both pelters.
2023-03-30 19:51:12
In reply to SnoopDog
my friend, Murali did not pelt. He could never straightened his arm. Why you think he was cleared by the ICC after numerous tests?!
2023-03-30 19:57:45
In reply to googley
I never accused Murali of pelting.
Look carefully what I wrote pandit.
The whole thing with Murali for me was when those asshole Aussie umps called him for pelting when he bowled a leg break (after being asked by Arjuna to stop bowling off breaks because of the previous no-ball calls). If I recall correctly Tony Grieg was on commentary when they called him for throwing and the replay showed him bowling a leg break and Grieg was about to loose his shit.
It showed that the Aussie umps had it out for Murali as they didn't care to even bother to look at his delivery to ascertain with the naked eye that he was pelting. They were going to call him no matter what. And that for me was beyond the pale.
2023-03-30 20:03:20
In reply to SnoopDog
ok then I misread this....I stand corrected
Murali, Saqlain, Harbhajan, Ashwin, Lawson, Beaton, Narine, Shilly et al did not/do not hyper-extend. They're pelters (or alleged pelters).
2023-03-30 21:03:18
In reply to SnoopDog
Who cares about the opinions of little mites in little islands . . . even the diasporeans are frauds-You have no money, nothing to give, just talk like rancid raisins . . . at least docta crab does give back . . . have you ever given anything?
2023-03-31 00:00:01
In reply to Onionman0
The Article itself testimony......how influential nations saved their star players.... Murali collected 500 test wickets, when the ICC rule was 5 degree.... Harbajan did the same.... Saqlain was never called...Shoib Akhtar got scot free but West Indies fast bowler Lawson was banned, which ruined his career.....ICC formally under pressure from Subcontinent nations changed the rule.... West Indies has suffered most due to ICC.... framing of Rules or amendment...
there are a lot of West Indian supporters who are happy, when one not from their home gets called or reported.
2023-03-31 01:38:52
In reply to Dukes
There have been research articles over the years that indicate that White and Black bowlers are incapable of hyperextension .
2023-03-31 03:23:19
In reply to Brerzerk
By the way I was very disappointed and pained when Bumrah having hit down Bravo as if stoning dogs Mr. Ian Raphael Bishop
said on air 'Anyone who says Bumrah is pelting ought to be ashamed of themselves and go look in the mirror'
Yuh tink Bish chupid, he knows where his pay checks comes from.
If Bumrah is not a pelter well i don't know who is.
2023-03-31 07:15:55
In reply to camos
Deliberately... Missing wood for the trees...the posters going mad about hyperextension.....they never heard the name of Saeed Ajmal...was bowling with 25 hyperextension till 2014....played 34 tests.. World Cup... ultimately, luck ran out...
These players from influential nations ...are given liberty to enjoy the wrong....commit wrong upon batters for long period....All in the name of Hyperextension....
Shoib Akhtar was banned for 1 year....came back with so called remodeled action...remained a hyperextension till last..Zahid Khan...list endless...But We love to kick out own
2023-03-31 11:44:54
In reply to Onionman0
You fraid to talk to me directly or wha? Man Ah go buss you up like a rotten mango . . . I will hyperextend up your . . .
2023-03-31 11:55:45
hyperextension is not a cricket thing, fools
Hyperextension means that there's been excessive movement of a joint in one direction (straightening). In other words, the joint has been forced to move beyond its normal range of motion.
Hyperextension and fast bowling
Felton, P. J., & King, M. A. (2016). The effect of elbow hyperextension on ball speed in cricket fast bowling. Journal of Sports Sciences, 34(1
, 1752-1758.
The increase in ball speed of non-recoiling elbow hyperextensions over a
straight arm disagrees with the results found by Middleton et al. (2015) which indicated that an elbow with a fixed offset in hyperextension bowled slower than a straight arm. It is proposed that an increase in ball speed is always possible with a flexion/extension and/or abduction/adduction offset as long as the orientation of the
upper arm increases the ability for the shoulder to do work as suggested by Marshall and Ferdinands (2003). Previous research investigating the effect of flexion or extension of the elbow from upper arm horizontal to ball release has found differing results where both flexion (Middleton et al., 2015) and extension (Portus et al., 2006; Roca et al., 2006) have been shown to increase ball speed. The results in this study
show that a greater increase in ball speed is caused by the recoil (mechanism 2) than extension to peak hyperextension (mechanism 1) which agrees with Middleton et al. (2015). In reality however, it is probable that the increase in ball speed caused by the second mechanism can be achieved by either flexion or extension depending on the orientation of the upper arm. If the flexion-extension axis is orientated such that
flexion is away from the target and extension is towards then the first mechanism explained in this study is caused by flexion and the second mechanism by extension.If however, the flexion-extension axis is aligned so that extension is away from the target and flexion is towards then the roles are reversed and the first mechanism is caused by extension and the second by flexion. The main application of this work is to give a clear understanding of how movements at the elbow effect ball release
speed in fast bowling and the potential advantage individuals with the ability to hyperextend at the elbow have over those bowlers who cannot hyperextend.
straight arm disagrees with the results found by Middleton et al. (2015) which indicated that an elbow with a fixed offset in hyperextension bowled slower than a straight arm. It is proposed that an increase in ball speed is always possible with a flexion/extension and/or abduction/adduction offset as long as the orientation of the
upper arm increases the ability for the shoulder to do work as suggested by Marshall and Ferdinands (2003). Previous research investigating the effect of flexion or extension of the elbow from upper arm horizontal to ball release has found differing results where both flexion (Middleton et al., 2015) and extension (Portus et al., 2006; Roca et al., 2006) have been shown to increase ball speed. The results in this study
show that a greater increase in ball speed is caused by the recoil (mechanism 2) than extension to peak hyperextension (mechanism 1) which agrees with Middleton et al. (2015). In reality however, it is probable that the increase in ball speed caused by the second mechanism can be achieved by either flexion or extension depending on the orientation of the upper arm. If the flexion-extension axis is orientated such that
flexion is away from the target and extension is towards then the first mechanism explained in this study is caused by flexion and the second mechanism by extension.If however, the flexion-extension axis is aligned so that extension is away from the target and flexion is towards then the roles are reversed and the first mechanism is caused by extension and the second by flexion. The main application of this work is to give a clear understanding of how movements at the elbow effect ball release
speed in fast bowling and the potential advantage individuals with the ability to hyperextend at the elbow have over those bowlers who cannot hyperextend.
2023-03-31 11:56:26
I know this is above onionman - but try an academic article
2023-03-31 12:03:08
Here is another . . .
King, M. A., & Yeadon, M. R. (2012). Quantifying elbow extension and elbow hyperextension in cricket bowling: A case study of Jenny Gunn. Journal of Sports Sciences, 30(9), 937-947.
White people can have it too
In recent years the most high profile player to be “called” is Muttiah Muralitharan whose bowling action was shown to be legal (Lloyd et al., 2000; Bartlett, 2003) but unusual due to a fixed-flexion deformity. More recently Jenny Gunn (a member of the England Women’s cricket team) has had her bowling action repeatedly questioned. Indeed, in February 2009, just a few days before the start of the Cricket World Cup, Miss Gunn was suspended from bowling in domestic matches in Australia after her action was deemed illegal, although an investigation by the ICC subsequently gave her the all-clear to play in the World Cup.
Static anthropometric measurements by a chartered sports physiotherapist found that Miss Gunn had extension hypermobility in both elbows (Figure 4) with a static forced elbow hyperextension angle of 194º (14º of hyperextension) and elbow abduction angle (carry angle) of 10º for her bowling arm.
Why not contribute money like Dukes and get your Universities equipped?
2023-03-31 21:22:09
onionsh!t?
2023-04-01 00:54:01
Was Jermaine Lawson's action found to be legal but unusual?
What happen, because fi 'im elbow cyan hyperextend him get called n dismissed?
51wkts from 13 tests, like Bishop was on the way to breaking Andy's record as
the fastest WI fast bowler to 100wkts. but alas!
2023-04-01 00:55:56
In reply to SnoopDog
Do you accept that it is not the purview of commentators to deride, belittle and insult their listeners just for an extra penny?
2023-04-01 10:03:29
Fatman is so pretensive and obtuse
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