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Mama Lisa bowls a massive no ball here

 
FanAttick 2023-05-17 11:17:22 

I couldn’t disagree with her more

Manley’s ‘eat what you grow’ no longer relevant, says Hanna

Member of Parliament for St Ann South Eastern, Lisa Hanna says the ‘eat what we grow’ agricultural policy first advanced by former Prime Minister Michael Manley is no longer relevant.

Making her contribution to the Sectoral Debate in Gordon House on Tuesday, Hanna noted that her comments were likely to make ‘people’s back get up’ but, despite this, said it was necessary to say, as she charged that the over 50-year-old agricultural policy was no longer meaningful based on Jamaica’s present reality.

“When Michael Manley came out with, ‘eat what you grow and grow what you eat’, it was relevant to that time. It was 50 years ago, and it was a concept because of the prevailing economic, global circumstances which actually forced us to look inward; to plant and feed for ourselves. Fifty years later, with globalisation, that concept is not focusing outwards,” Hanna said.

And so, people get confused that if we plant everything, then we don't have to import anything. It's not true. We can’t plant rice efficiently; we just don't have the mechanism to plant rice.

 
cricketmad 2023-05-17 12:23:26 

In reply to FanAttick

She is right, you should read the article again. She is not saying you shouldn't eat what you grow, she is saying you should grow more than you eat,grow enough so you have some to export ,and there are some items that are best imported as they can't be produced efficiently in large enough quantities.

 
FanAttick 2023-05-17 12:33:11 

In reply to cricketmad

Both cannot simultaneously be true

1. Economies of Scale is a barrier to optimal production in small island nations like Yard
2. Grow more than you can eat to export…


If economies of scale is an insurmountable barrier how can your policy be export oriented…
How about reducing the balance of payments through import substitution which was what Joshua was promoting back in the 70s?

If you rely on others to produce for you. - you are inviting a major national security issue…

Thats what happened when certain peeps hoarded flour and rice and married those items to sanitary napkins and the like…those of us who lived through that period (no pun intended) understand the critical need to control your own destiny.,..

Furthermore given the chronic diet related illnesses prevailing in the yard - Mama Lisa should be discouraging the large scale importation and consumption of rice and flour….

Joshua was branded as The Great Communicator for a reason..the eat what you grow slogan was used to break down a complex economic issue into simple terms that the masses could understand….

 
camos 2023-05-17 12:43:30 

With the current concept of food security, "eat what you grow" is as relevant today as it was 50 years ago. Food production should not be viewed from an economic efference standpoint because most of global production is subsidized.

 
JOJO 2023-05-17 12:57:38 

In reply to FanAttick

Both cannot simultaneously be true

1. Economies of Scale is a barrier to optimal production in small island nations like Yard
2. Grow more than you can eat to export…


Both are true and one statement actually supports and explains the other.

Caribbean economies simply cannot grow all the basics (even just the basics) that hey need. It just isn’t cost effective and everyone gets poorer as a result. So what should they do?. Focus on the crops/areas that are optimal and export the surplus.

“Eat what you grow” is a nice slogan that makes people feel good, but that’s it. It has been tried. It has failed.

 
camos 2023-05-17 13:23:20 

In reply to JOJO

Focus on the crops/areas that are optimal and export the surplus.

This assumes agricultural products have a free market, and current conditions are nowhere near that.

 
Headley 2023-05-17 16:27:35 

In reply to FanAttick

Is it relevant that her husband is the owner of the Burger King franchise for Jamaica? big grin

 
Brerzerk 2023-05-17 16:55:25 

I sent her a message and explained how narrow that thinking is.
JA has the means to grow and manufacture animal feed but does not
They still import fertile eggs for hatching chicks for both Broilers and Layers
Still import LAMB and Goat from US, NZ and Oz hence the high cost of local goat meat.
Before and during Manley's time Grace had contract Hog Farmers and from the animals they
bought from them they manufactured bacon, ham etc.
How many agri and agri-manufacturing jobs so far? add to that the things she mentioned as
competitive advantage and for export.

Start producing local fertilizer and seeds so farmers can produce produce (roots, tubers, veg and legumes)
at costs competitive with the imports...

CYAN BELIEVE PEOPLE YOUNGER N 60 THINK SUH BACKWUD!!!!!

 
Brerzerk 2023-05-17 17:03:59 

In reply to JOJO
Red Stripe now produces beer from Cassava, do you know it can make a better 'fry' than potatoes?
Govt. should team with private investors to develop manufacturing, packaging and storage (IQF) for that.

Add Sweet Potato Fries and many other products. I feel proud that I was part of an '80's initiative that
actually encouraged and contracted farmers to grow some products for the Airline/Hospitality industry which
ensured less (if even a lil bit) imports of produce. Simply things like spring mix (lettuces) were being imported
(maybe still imported) because farmers neither knew the products nor that there was a market.

Nuff room for growing the majority of what we eat and feed our visitors. Why does a country Columbus found growing corn
has to import Corn-based animal feed??

 
Brerzerk 2023-05-17 17:04:47 

In reply to camos
more relevant

 
XDFIX 2023-05-17 17:20:10 

Manley’s ‘eat what you grow’ no longer relevant, says Hanna

Member of Parliament for St Ann South Eastern, Lisa Hanna says the ‘eat what we grow’ agricultural policy first advanced by former Prime Minister Michael Manley is no longer relevant.



Muma Lisa slipping here! She needs to go back and read the policy document! Crawford should have a lot to say about this!

Dr. Mavis Gilmore didn't believe that Jamaica could afford two Agricultural Colleges back in the day!

I think she mash down JSA instead of consolidating with CASE, Knockalva, Cobbla, and the technical schools.

Ja would be further ahead in Agriculture, if leaders were not shortsighted!

 
Dukes 2023-05-17 17:28:27 

In reply to Headley


Is it relevant that her husband is the owner of the Burger King franchise for Jamaica?


BANNAS!!!!!!


Ah notice is pure hostile short pitched bouncers yuh delivering.

Ah had to duck unda neath de one yuh bowl at me lass nite


lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
FanAttick 2023-05-17 17:33:47 

In reply to Headley

Is it relevant that her husband is the owner of the Burger King franchise for Jamaica


That,my friend, is quite probative to the discussion and would explain why she seems to be discouraging the eat what you grow mantra..after all I dont think that Jamaicans can grow Burger King lol lol lol

In fact the more they eat what they grow, the less they will eat a Big Whopper lol lol

In reply to Brezerk

I am quite surprised by Mama Lisa’s backward thinking..unless she is influenced by the situation described by Headley…personal interests…

To break it down to - “if you eat what you grow - yuh wont be able to eat rice”…is very shallow and simplistic thinking..I expected more from Mama Lisa…who i have held in high esteem since she was a likkle yute lol

 
XDFIX 2023-05-17 17:48:38 

Which Countries In The World Are Food Insecure?

When food is imported out of a necessity for sustenance, countries become dependent on outside sources as a way of feeding their populations.

This is when food insecurity occurs. Currently, there are at least 34 countries who are unable to produce their own food due to water and land limitations, which represents a large portion of the global population who must rely on imported food in order to avoid starvation.

These countries are listed below.

1 Afghanistan
2 Burkina Faso
3 Burundi
4 Cameroon
5 Central African Republic
6 Chad
7 Democratic Republic of the Congo
8 Djibouti
9 Eritrea
10 Ethiopia
11 Guinea
12 Iraq
13 Kenya
14 Lesotho
15 Liberia
16 Madagascar
17 Malawi
18 Mali
19 Mauritania
20 Mozambique
21 Myanmar
22 Nepal
23 Niger
24 North Korea
25 Republic of the Congo
26 Sierra Leone
27 Somalia
28 South Sudan
29 Sudan
30 Swaziland
31 Syria
32 Uganda
33 Yemen
34 Zimbabwe

 
cricketmad 2023-05-17 18:42:58 

In reply to FanAttick

So are you saying we shouldn't eat what we can't grow ? Crops that thrive in one climatic condition will wither in another. Why should we restrict our diet to only what we can grow ?

 
hubert 2023-05-17 19:24:10 

In reply to FanAttick

What she said while not tue is a bit confusing. You gotta grow what you eat..that mantra does not and should not change.
However when she spoke of not having the means to produce,she should highlight the fact that the best AI soils for mass production
are being concreted over as her party as well as this backward administration using arable Innswood and Bernard lodge for Cities.

These lands and other former sugar cane lands are ideal for large scale agriculture both for export and home consumption both
fresh and processed to reduce waste.\
Small farmers cannot drive export on a large scale as the economy of scales works against these little men.
They can't even satisfy local markets.
Lisa bowled a noball and wide because she did not expound on the subject in a nuanced manner.

BTW on another matter of Huge SALARIES for PoLIticians et al, the Opposition completely dropped the ball. If they
needed an issue to gain supoprt from poor and middle class sufferers this was it but the spokesman said he had no problem with it.
Are you kidding me.???
This is a hot button issue with the recent angst from teachers,police and nurses over salaries and which is still a hot button issue
and they dropped the ball with an after the error statement too...what jokers are these. ???
They are now lumped by the people as in the same basket as the HAND DREW party...
They have not a snowball in hell chance of returning to Office in the future, near of distant..






shock shock shock

 
XDFIX 2023-05-17 22:58:47 

In reply to hubert


If there was ever a time for people to demonstrate and engage in street protest is now!

No bangarang from the opposition? A wonder why?

 
FanAttick 2023-05-17 23:39:04 

In reply to hubert

I agree..seems the opposition has lost the moral high ground here….seems they are disconnected from the masses of the people…

 
nick2020 2023-05-18 01:07:34 

In reply to Brerzerk

Barbados buys Jamaican feed.

 
Brerzerk 2023-05-18 02:27:07 

In reply to nick2020
Good to know, I knew a medium size beef farmer who made his own feed (80's) Orange waste after juiced in Bog Walk Banana peel (from the chips factory) but he still had to add imported soy products. His light n power was from his Cow Crap.

Maas Hubie your posts are always so insightful and illuminating!

 
camos 2023-05-18 02:36:40 

In reply to Brerzerk

Citrus pulp and waste from the flour mill have always been used as feed ingredients but there is not enough of those and they can't compete with soyabeans that has around 35% protein.

 
Brerzerk 2023-05-18 04:12:44 

In reply to camos

and not just protein but protein with all the essential amino acids that are required for muscle-building, whereas corn and other grain-based feeds have to be carefully, proportionally combined.

 
Wally-1 2023-05-18 14:46:50 

In reply to FanAttick
We can't grow what these politicians eat is what she's saying.

lol lol
On a serious note though, Manley was way ahead of his time. He had so many great ideas and programs that if they were implemented and sustained properly
the nation could've been way ahead of the game. Every time I visit Ja. and see all those acres and acres of non productive land, I remember ideas like "project land lease," for example. But instead he scared and drove the capital out of the country.

So unfortunately, apart from the passing grade he gets for kindling the social awareness and consciousness of the people, he was a general failure.