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Barbados cricket since 1985
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 00:54:02
. About 25 years ago, a friend who had just returned to South Africa from Barbados as manager of a junior South Africa team told me that the standard of youth cricket and school cricket in Barbados was disappointingly low and that a decline in West Indies cricket would inevitably follow.
His prediction was spot on. A few years later, one of the coaches at the Shell Cricket Academy in Grenada complained bitterly about striking deficiencies in young players that the West Indies Cricket Board had sent to the Academy. He was concerned about the players’ understanding of the fundamentals of the game, their work ethic, fitness and technique, and their mental skills particularly concentration, self-discipline and self-motivation.
Dr Rudy Webster speaks. A man with the interest of WEST INDIANS at heart
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openning
2023-06-13 03:37:28
In reply to Jumpstart
About 25 years ago, a friend who had just returned to South Africa from Barbados as manager of a junior South Africa team told me that the standard of youth cricket and school cricket in Barbados was disappointingly low and that a decline in West Indies cricket would inevitably follow.
His prediction was spot on. A few years later, one of the coaches at the Shell Cricket Academy in Grenada complained bitterly about striking deficiencies in young players that the West Indies Cricket Board had sent to the Academy. He was concerned about the players’ understanding of the fundamentals of the game, their work ethic, fitness and technique, and their mental skills particularly concentration, self-discipline and self-motivation.
On a Barbados radio programme recently, I was disappointed to hear two former Jamaican players complaining about the poor standard of school and club cricket in Jamaica. I was also shocked to learn that little or no school cricket is currently played in Guyana.
But I was pleased to hear a representative of the Barbados Cricket Association speaking enthusiastically about the organisation, structure and standard of youth, school and club cricket in Barbados and about the resources that have been invested in those areas.
In the last 25 years, Barbados have done well in regional cricket and has won many championships. But they have not produced a single world class batsman. During that period the averages of their most successful Test and first-class batsmen fluctuated between the 20s and 30s. Not one of them averaged above 40, the minimum international standard for good batsmanship.
You are so disgusting and pitiful, that link from the Daily Express is about regional cricket, why is Barbados the only Island in your post?
Get a life dude, you don't gain friends by attacking people.
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 03:43:29
In reply to openning
Because when Barbados cricket is strong, WI cricket is strong. It’s a fact. The reason being that Barbados barely plays anything else at a professional level. In TT and JA, you have the possibility of losing cricketers to football, swimming and T&F. You don’t really have that possibility in Barbados because cricket is virtually the only national sport
openning
2023-06-13 04:05:41
In reply to Jumpstart
I have three nephews in Barbados all over six feet, plenty also in England, none of them plays cricket.
Barbados cricket will rebound, I heard a former West Indies academy coach saying Jason Holder, will be England this week at his academy.
Seem guys are putting in the work.
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 12:49:01
In reply to openning
Hoss allyuh men living in lala land. Barbados has not produced one great cricketer since maco. Would that not suggest serious structural weaknesses in the development regime of young players? Where are you getting the said rebound from…….Merlin’s magical goop?
tc1
2023-06-13 13:40:30
In reply to Jumpstart
can you highlight what TNT did from 1985 to enhance WI cricket and named the great cricketers produced by your beloved tits during this time..
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 13:48:54
In reply to tc1
ian bishop, the prince, dwayne bravo, darren bravo(the last player since sarwan and gayle to average over forty for more than a year), kieron pollard, sunil narine, ravi rampaul, lendl simmons....players who formed the basis of three ICC trophy triumphs and prevented the WI from total irrelevancy. not to mention winning the majority of limited over titles in the last 15 years
openning
2023-06-13 14:35:44
In reply to Jumpstart
Barbados is not the only victorious team that struggle, check Dallas Cowboys, two Chicago teams, Sf 49's, Manchester United, Brazil soccer.
It is good to see you writing of T&T white ball players,
Bro take a close look and see the reduction in T&T players contracted within the T20 leagues, I see only Pooran and Sunil standing, if you fail at producing players in that format, it will be difficult for you to grow the game.
That go alone will be centuries in the making, the rest of the region have youngsters people are talking about, but not a word on any youngster from T&T.
The BCA will rebound, I have no doubt about that, and that Rock will produce world class players again..
velo
2023-06-13 14:38:06
In reply to Jumpstart
You are really stretching dwayne bravo,darren bravi.pollard ,narine, rampaul lendl simmons,plz these are what you call great players .
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 15:05:15
In reply to velo
ok.....put jonathan carter and co in the two world cup triumphs and see how far we reach if these guys weren't good
TheTrail
2023-06-13 17:32:31
Wasn't Holding and Bishop, who told Lendyl Simmons during a test match, to go back to the drawing board or look for another line of work?
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 18:11:24
In reply to TheTrail
imagine what they and others have said about the likes of carter, pretty boy floyd,
Omar Phillips, Kyle Hope, Patterson Thompson among others.....i remember chappell saying during the 97 series down under that thompson needed to work on his weight or something to that effect.....never forgetting the minder of windows
tc1
2023-06-13 18:34:49
[b]In reply to Jumpstart[/
The only great player in the group is Lara, you are delusional. Daren Bravo avg 40 for more than a year, and you posting about that as if his avg. was 40. RTN finished test with a 45 avg.
Kemar Roach, Holder and KB are better players than all of the noted Tits you mentioned.
Man stop posting bare shoite.
imusic
2023-06-13 18:38:39
In reply to tc1
Dwayne Bravo is not a great cricketer?
tc1
2023-06-13 18:44:20
In reply to velo
Jumpy was seriously burned by a bajan and very often revere to imaginary postings.
sudden
2023-06-13 18:48:19
without a doubt, Dwayne Bravo is one of the greatest cricketers produced by Titland
tc1
2023-06-13 18:50:48
[b]In reply to imusic[/If
If Bravo is a great cricketer Kemar Roach and Jason Holder are also.
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 18:52:05
imusic
2023-06-13 18:52:44
In reply to tc1
Why does one depend on another?
Kemar Roach is great
Jury still out on J Ho IMO & his case gets weaker with each year
tc1
2023-06-13 18:52:51
In reply to sudden
without a doubt, Dwayne Bravo is one of the greatest cricketers produced by Titland
Definitely, in top 10
tc1
2023-06-13 18:56:08
In reply to Jumpstart
you better be glad that they stop pick Daren or his test avg would be approaching Lincoln Roberts'.
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 18:56:12
In reply to tc1
TC, on planet Barbados, Maco is the # 1 fast bowler and Sylvester is bowling down heat rocks at a helpless batsman right
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 18:59:54
In reply to tc1
Please……hoss bravo scored a double hundred in nz versus boult and southee, scored a hundred in Australia long before kraigg did. Luck works in funny ways. While one batsman was exiled for two years by a West Indian clown(three innings after scoring a hundred vs a very good Pakistan attack) one was elevated to the most senior position in WI cricket despite clearly diminishing returns.
imusic
2023-06-13 19:05:06
In reply to Jumpstart
Surely you’re not suggesting that kraigg Brathwaite is a Barbadian great
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 19:09:39
In reply to imusic
Hell to the no. Kraigg is one of the worst batsmen I’ve ever seen from Barbados. Sherwin Campbell was much more dependable and has some noteworthy hundreds…..most prominent among them is that hundred that saved us from following on against the Aussies in 1999. I’m saying that kraigg firstly never deserved to be given the captaincy because at one point his stats were approaching Shai hope’s numberss in tests. In fact there was talk about dropping him. That he has done pretty well since getting the chalice is immaterial. He’s a poor man’s kraigg in terms of both style and consistency
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 19:17:09
In reply to openning
Barbados is not the only victorious team that struggle, check Dallas Cowboys, two Chicago teams, Sf 49's, Manchester United, Brazil soccer.
yuh realize chicago still in the doldrums, over 20 years after their last conference title.....that like barbados cricket is not symptomatic of cyclical struggles. those are structural weaknesses
tc1
2023-06-13 22:13:05
In reply to imusic
JoHo numbers are similar to the great Bravo's in all 3 format, yet Bravo is great player in your opinion and the jury is still out on JOHo.
tc1
2023-06-13 22:16:21
In reply to Jumpstart
Please……hoss bravo scored a double hundred in nz versus boult and southee, scored a hundred in Australia long before kraigg did. Luck works in funny ways. While one batsman was exiled for two years by a West Indian clown(three innings after scoring a hundred vs a very good Pakistan attack) one was elevated to the most senior position in WI cricket despite clearly diminishing returns.
What the above have to do with the discussion, both Holder and KB have double tons.
Jumpstart
2023-06-13 22:33:02
In reply to tc1
. Holder and KB are better players than all of the noted Tits you mentioned.
Man stop posting bare shoite.
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I was responding to this absurdity. Were you sober when you wrote it?
velo
2023-06-13 22:47:06
In reply to Jumpstartmy goodness you now have gone off the rails
[b]Sherwin Campbell was much more dependable and has some noteworthy hundreds…when was that lol .brath has double the hundreds better average and certainly that partnership with shai hope in england is far superior than campbells
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Jumpstart
2023-06-13 23:18:58
In reply to velo
Hoss…….has any innings by kraigg contributed to a West Indies win against major opposition? Campbell has a double hundred vs NZ and a century versus them. Campbell has a hundred against one of the best Australian attacks ever. Campbell’s average is only .2 points behind kraigg’s.
sudden
2023-06-14 01:03:14
In reply to Jumpstart
For starters against England in England when he and Hope made 100s
Then again England may not have been major opposition
Jumpstart
2023-06-14 01:09:44
In reply to sudden
Homie…….broad and Anderson are nowhere in the league of McGrath, Warne and Gillespie
imusic
2023-06-14 05:54:38
In reply to Jumpstart
Come on. You have to give Brathwaite that one.
That’s the only one tho.
He’s cost WI the opportunity to win due to his pedestrian approach to batting regardless of match direction way more often than he’s contributed to them winning.
And WI when he plays already don’t get into winning positions too often as it is.
analyst-kid
2023-06-14 17:54:32
Shai Hope is a world class ODI player.
Hayley Matthews is a world class batter/ all-rounder
Deandra Dottin is a world class player
Kemar Roach a couple of years back was a world class fast bowler.
You can't say Barbados has not produced a world class player since Maco or Haynes
imusic
2023-06-14 18:03:09
In reply to analyst-kid
You know you desperate when you start scraping the womens game for relevance 
I don’t blame you though.
Dottin and Matthews are probably better than Brooks, Kraigg Brathwaite, Chase, Jonathan Carter, Mayers, Hope, Reifer, and all your “top” Bajan batsmen of the past decade
Ray123
2023-06-14 18:03:55
In reply to analyst-kid
This guy said Lendl Simmonds, Pollard and Narine are great players.
There's no more need to engage with him
Jumpstart
2023-06-14 18:08:12
In reply to Ray123
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homie, in t20 cricket, narine is a great....and so too is pollard.
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There's no more need to engage with him
clearly you're another alien from planet Barbados
tc1
2023-06-14 19:35:34
In reply to imusic
D
ottin and Matthews are probably better than Brooks, Kraigg Brathwaite, Chase, Jonathan Carter, Mayers, Hope, Reifer, and all your “top” Bajan batsmen of the past decade
Would the same be said for TnT
tc1
2023-06-14 19:37:28
In reply to Ray123
Jumpy as my 4-year-old granddaughter would say is "a sill goose'.
Jumpstart
2023-06-14 19:51:16
In reply to imusic
Dottin and Matthews are probably better than Brooks, Kraigg Brathwaite, Chase, Jonathan Carter, Mayers, Hope, Reifer, and all your “top” Bajan batsmen of the past decade
if deandra bowl hope one bouncer, he's in trouble
analyst-kid
2023-06-14 19:57:14
In reply to imusic
I have shown you that Barbados STILL produces world class players male and female...and u choose to ridicule the females.
Isn't Shai Hope a world class ODI player?
tc1
2023-06-14 21:52:26
In reply to Jumpstart
Daren Bravo, Pooran and Pollard too
Jumpstart
2023-06-14 23:18:38
In reply to analyst-kid
He didn’t ridicule the females. He said they were better than chase, nurse, kraigg etc
Jumpstart
2023-06-14 23:25:08
In reply to tc1
. Daren Bravo, Pooran and Pollard too
Ask anybody outside of Barbados and if it was a choice between those above three and Dwayne smith/kraigg/hope(something resembling a top order batsman), RTN and Carter, they’d pick pooran, pollard and lil bravo. Unfortunately, wi cricket was abducted by a big idiot and the aliens from planet Barbados so the best teams didn’t really get play
openning
2023-06-15 00:08:46
In reply to Jumpstart
Who was the bigger idiot, you as head of WIPA or DD?
Jumpstart
2023-06-15 00:14:55
In reply to openning
I was never head of WIPA homie. I have never even played club cricket. But you doh need to play a ball of professional or casual cricket to love the game and point out flaws in technique and tactics
imusic
2023-06-15 00:20:02
In reply to Jumpstart
He didn’t ridicule the females. He said they were better than chase, nurse, kraigg etc
Ease up on kid man. He may just be saying tha it’s ridiculing the ladies by comparing them to brooks, Reifer, and chase dem
And he may be right
InHindsight
2023-06-15 09:34:15
In reply to imusic
Dwayne Bravo is not a great cricketer?
I proffer that Dwayne Bravo is NOT a great cricketer. Let's not ascribe greatness to limited format, 'above' decent players, please. My take
analyst-kid
2023-06-15 12:42:46
How could T20 players like Pollard and Bravo for example be even considered great players when they avg way below 40 avg in that format ?
Jumpstart
2023-06-15 13:38:17
In reply to analyst-kid
their impact....the showpiece event for t20s is the ipl, whether we like it or not. DJ was until this year, the highest wicket taker in the ipl and is still the highest wicket taker in t20 history. If that is not great, then i don't know what is. pollard is the third highest run scorrer in t20 history....again, if that is not greatness, what is?
analyst-kid
2023-06-15 15:10:10
But Jumpstart...we have established by now that international level ( nations against nations )and world cup level is higher than IPL , Big Bash , and CPL level
Great or World class players excel at ALL levels!
Jumpstart
2023-06-15 15:22:48
In reply to analyst-kid
maybe in football and odi and 5 days.....but george weah never won a world cup, never even qualified for one, does that make him any less great.....no. And it is not as if bravo and pollard have not had impactful performances on the international level. Which WI batsman today can score a hundred versus a bowler like brett lee, as pollard did in 2011? Bravo has twice won games for the WI on the last ball of the game with less than 2 runs to work with
