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...cost us this match and many more in the past.

269 runs to get on batting friendly pitch is not insurmountable by any means. We have been hampered for eons now by our inability to turn over the strike.

The resultant effect of lacking this basic skill of finding gaps and keeping the scoreboard ticking is:

(i) The potential for our required run rate to increase from the start of our innings until it becomes unmanageable about the 35th over. We have tried to conquer this problem by scoring heavily in the power play but this may not be possible all the time and it is thwart with danger.
(ii) as a result of this poor batspersonship we are forced to play lickit cricket stay with the rate during the entire course of our innings...with lickit cricket there is greater risk of getting out and hence we most times throw our wickets away.

This problem problem has been highlighted here many times, with uninitiated posters giving the excuse that "scoring 1 six per over is anaagous to scoring 6 singles per over." We are power hitters they claim.

I am reminded at this juncture of the Dunning Kruger effect that an incompetent and uninitiated person is to incompetent to understand his own incompetence.
Several posters here...too many, readilly come to mind.

This is a grotesque simplification by the the proponents of purely lickit cricketers playing ODI.

I do not wish to be esoteric here but to say simply: the more risk you take as a batsman the greater the chance of getting out.

Rovman Powell and Johnson Charles readily come to mind. And this is compounded by their inability to play spin bowling. Those batsmen have no place in West Indies ODI cricket. Blame the selectors here.

Any batsman who has to be hidden when there are plenty of overs left only to come in when he can briefly slog for a few overs does not deserve a place in ODI. You can optimize your team by simply looking for a bowler who can bowl 10 overs and serve as a licketer.

I dont pretent that this is our only problem but this nightmare is huge and has been with us for a very long time. The solution: learn to play cricket.

On ths thread, I wish only to hear from the promoters of "1 six an over is comparable to six singles."

Discourtesy

I am resisting going into the archives.

In reply to Courtesy

I think you should and expose the “what about Hunter’s laptop” posters

In reply to sudden

It's becoming an increasingly apocryphal world.

In reply to Courtesy
As I see it...the WI players were intimidated by the big crowd and loud support for the home team....their faces and body language say it all....and their mediocrity was exposed again to the world.

The WI team has no stars.,...no match winners....a set of mediocre journeymen who are masquerading under the West Indian brand.

In reply to Narper

Our "mediocrity" has been exposed all too often and yet after all these years our decision makers cannot come up with a viable plan to take us out of this rut.

Teach our cricketers how to play cricket properly...the whole gamut.

In reply to Courtesy

The irony is our great opening batsman has shown that his skill level as an opening batsman was not transferred in any remotely similar way to his selection policy and compounded by his cowardice in seeking to blame his captain for his own amazingly inept decision making.This has been exacerbated by his propensity to stick with his own despite solid evidence that it is the wrong decision.His propensity was noted very early on, leading to the rapid exit of his co-selector who decided he wanted no part of such malfeasance

In reply to Dukes

I respect your opinion. However, I wish as well you can provide evidence of your assertions.

I operate under the premise that he who asserts must prove.

In reply to Courtesy

“Hunter’s laptop” aka Hetty.

Dukes is sure that if Hetty was picked, he would have boarded the plane this time and saved WI cricket from itself

But alas

In reply to sudden

SO WHAT ABOUT HIS OTHER PICK THAT IS KEEMA WHO WENT INTO KOMA BY SIKANDAR'S FINAL PUNCH.

In reply to sudden

I was a strong advocate of Hety but that travel issue got me thinking about his commitment or lack thereof to West Indies cricket.

I will continue to advocate against his selection and that of Evein Lewis.

In reply to Courtesy

Our problem in the region is putting our trust and faith in people or a particular person

If we continue we will continue to be disappointed

Instead devise a professional system and professionals will result

The issue is how do we do so

In reply to sudden

CWI has the Deloitte Touche Report sitting on its shelves. The main problem with moving forwrd is turf protection. As currently constitued the CWI is not structured to produce meaningful change.

We need a purely business approach to the mgt of our cricket.

The process of appointing individual board presidents and ultimatey the election of a CWI President cannot be useful in today's age.

If one depends on individual territory presidents for election to the top, how can the Prez go against them.

In reply to sudden

Statements like the above tend to reduce your credibility in the eyes of the discerning.

Luckily for you "the discerning" comprise a very small group.

In reply to Dukes

The Guyanese Gone and the Bajans tek ova!
Well, it’s Hope and Holder, Kyle and Roston
Only poking singles around the corner
Scoring slowly and not even close to a ton.
Bowled out once more for a score below par
It’s time WI bring back the IPL superstar.

Thing is bad is to hear them cry
Not a player in town, the well is dry
Only West Indians like me or you
Going to get a drink or two
And as we see things getting out of control
Ah seeking revenge with Hetty and Paul
Brother I wanna spread the news aroun'
Is to see them Cave Hill men run out of town!

In reply to Dukes

You wound me Dukes

I will retract my statement and revise it thusly -

Dukes is convinced that if Hety was picked, he would have been allowed to board the plane this time and would have saved WI cricket from itself once again

In reply to Courtesy

I made 3 assertions

1. Skill level as opening batsman compared to skill level as COS.

2. COWARDICE in blaming the captain for the team selection

3.Selection of his own as a default position.

To me they are obvious but I will enumerate them

1.His continued selection of Raymon Reifer as the Win # 3 batsman.His selection of Marquinho Mindley to go to Australia.His omission of Alick Athanaze from this squad.His replacement of Motie with Johnson Charles are all DUBIOUS at best.They were roundly criticized when they were made and subsequent events proved those of us COPRRECT.

2.THe evidence of his COWARDICE has been widely stated by many including the Caribbean Cricket Podcast and Reds Pereriera and many on this board.NO COS EVER says THE CAPTAIN WANTED THESE PLAYERS,unless specifically asked.

3.In talking about Sinclair, he stated without being asked that he is an excellent batsman and Guyana needs to promote him up the order.Yet in the WI A team tour to Bangladesh, a tour where the COS has significant influence, Sinclair batted at # 8 AFTER Cariah..He completely IGNORED the fact that Sinclair took three 5 wicket hauls in first class cricket this year and ended up with 39 wickets at a cost of 20.48 apiece.
His act of ignoring Sinclair's bowling was not an oversight and was designed to obfuscate the obvious threat to Roston Chase ESPECIALLY in the enforced absence of MOTIE.
I came to this conclusion utilizing DEDUCTIVE REASONING and using past behavior to explain current behavior.

In reply to StumpCam

JEAN AND DINAH REDUX!!!!!!!

MAAAN

EGGCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

Dukes, you are smart enough not to land blame solely on the back of the COS when there is a process for selection which involves other selectors and any recoomendation has to be approved by the CWI board after consultation with the Director of Cricket.

Tell me that there have been some poor selections then I would agree with you but to finger the COS alone is disengenuous.

"Evidence of cowardice" as you have posted is perspective dependent opinions and not fact. This aspect of your post requires no further commen from myselft.

As regards Sinclair, I must say two things:
(i) A batting star on the Guyana team does not equate to the same status on a West Indies team.
(ii) With reference to Chase, this is purely conjecture and doesn't deserve a comment.

You need to rely on empirical evidence a lot more.

In reply to Courtesy

He made reference to malfeasance in his first post

A very loaded word in my neck of the woods

Noteworthy that he never explained it

In reply to sudden

Mate, how did I miss this? This is a serious charge and if the resigned director leveled this at the COS then it would require evidence.

In reply to sudden

If it was mere incompetence, then that selector would have thought that reasoned discussion would cause said person to see the light and come around to what the ordinary selector perceived to be a reasonable stance.However the fact that he resigned in short order strongly suggests that in his opinion the COS knew exactly what he was doing and would not and could not be persuaded to change his mind.

In reply to Courtesy

Not a director, a pissed off selector

In reply to sudden

Thanks.

Is there a news story on this?

First time hearing this.

In reply to Dukes

Malfeasance is a serious term to employ in any context

In reply to Courtesy

Sarwan resigned early in his term

He never publicly stated why

At least none that I heard

Dukes must have some inside scoop that would give him reason to allege malfeasance

In reply to sudden

Thanks mate...will search for the story.

In reply to sudden

NOT TRUE

He said that due to his business commitments he was unable to perform his duties as a selector to the standard that CWI would expect.

In reply to Dukes

I stand corrected

Now I see how you came to allege malfeasance

In reply to sudden

Lemme ask you this

Why would Clive Lloyd say and I am paraphrasing, I told Desmond that I think he is in the wrong job and he should be the batting coach not the COS.

In reply to Dukes

In the same breath, there is no reference to malfeasance here:

Dukes, can you point me to any article where malfeasance is cited as the reason for Sarwan's resignation?

In reply to Courtesy

THERE IS NO SUCH ARTICLE.

In reply to Dukes

I don’t read anything untoward in what Lloyd said or at worst warned. The COS position in WI cricket is a poison chalice as we all know

In reply to Dukes

Your words:

Based on the reponse in your post above, have you misled this board?

In reply to Courtesy

Your solution- fill the team with clueless dotties

In reply to Courtesy

I don’t think Dukes comtemplated the impact or significance of the term malfeasance

And yes I am providing a path for Dukes to withdraw that word gracefully

In reply to sudden

I too have given him a path but which would require gonads to admit. You have been much more generous

In reply to Courtesy

A difference of opinion or malfeasance? Where do they intersect, if they do?

In reply to sudden

Unfortunately for Dukes they don't intersect at all mate.

Dukes unwittingly drove himself into a compartment.

In reply to Courtesy

1.I do not believe that the gentleman suddenly realized that his business commitments prevented him from carrying out his responsibilities as a selector.He knew what his business commitments were when he accepted the position.
Ponder as to why somebody would say the above when resigning and you come up with a scenario that the reason is quite explosive so rather than create mayhem you politely give a bland reason and you walk away.
I am resigning so I can spend more time with my wife and family!!!!!

In reply to Courtesy

People do not resign because of a difference of opinion.

In reply to Dukes

And from that the term malfeasance sprang out at you?

In reply to Dukes

Mate, no reasonable man must treat speculation as fact and then proceed to argue on that basis. I will not do it.

In reply to Dukes

Are you serious ?

I not only resigned a key position over a difference of opinion I got divorced twice over and because of a difference of opinion?

In reply to sudden

Try to recall all the times when people resigned, stating they wanted to spend more time with the family and tell me all the actual benign reasons that were the true reasons for the resignation.

In reply to Dukes

Mate, what hole are you digging for yourself?

Yes people resign because of differences of opinion and hold firm to their principles and to term this malfeasance is objectionable and...

In reply to Dukes

I say this with the utmost respect for you please please walk away from this gracefully

In reply to sudden
Good advice-more than his panties are showing

In reply to Barry

Maybe Dukes will listen to your advice

In reply to Courtesy

People who resign because of a difference of opinions STATE SO.They do not say they resign because they want to spend more time with their family.

In reply to Dukes

Bruh, don't skirt the issue. You are using Sarwan's resignation in which he cited "personal reasons" to accuse the COS of malfeasance. Haven't you realized the gravity of your unfounded accusation?

To accuse someone of malfeasance you have to rely on evidence.

In reply to Dukes

Just like politicians who resign publicly for the same reason when the reality is they’ve been kicked out because of some scandal

I haven't read through all the excuses/explanations tabled for yesterday's embarrassment, but I would be remiss if I didn't post the below even if it turns out to be 'duplicate'.

Watching the game yesterday, when the cameras focused on the West Indies 'bench' I couldn't help but notice that everyone was long-sleeved clad with some even donning jackets. That's when I remembered that it's now winter in that part of Africa. No wonder we looked so mis-placed in the field and reminded me of that now infamous tour of Northen England during the Christopher Gayle captaincy period. Those spilled catches must've been accompanied by excruciating pain that might've even lasted into our turn at bat.

With the West Indies being the only team where its members are not at all accustomed to winter climate, the schedulers must've chosen the host country, Zimbabwe, on purpose so as to mitigate any advantage that this higher ranked team, West Indies, might have had.

In reply to Drapsey

Sri Lanka, UAE, Oman have winter?

Or they’re not countries?

In reply to imusic

Ok, Sri Lanka, the only other team not traditionally ranked among the minnows, is being treated in the same vein as West Indies.

There just might be a pattern here.

In reply to Drapsey

These things happen, I remember Happy Sunderland took a Jamaica U20 to
Argentenia for the WC in the middle of the southern winter without proper clothing, when questioned said he was not aware of the conditions.

In reply to Courtesy

....the same person who rapidly supports the administration that exiled our last great batsman(at least in odis and t20s and very good in tests) and tried to end the career of shiv chanderpaul(they backed off only at the threat of legal action) and certainly destroyed ramnaresh sarwan's own(he was never the same after he came back although I'm sure the 1 million dollar lawsuit win must have felt good) talks about a purely business approach. I do not know any business that will fire its best technical personnel as a business decision. Dude you are the textbook definition of a joke.

In reply to Jumpstart

What vodoo post is this, conflating past and future?

Man wait for a more relevant and opportune thread to attack me. Grab and pelt a chair even. You look so silly an uneducated posting the gobbledygook above and please, let that raw nerve heal sufficiently.

Irrelevant like the poster that you are.