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If it were possible for the ICC to demote the West Indies as an Associate team, would it make sense to still play as West Indies?
Wouldn’t this be the signal to play as individual countries?

In reply to archangel

Yes

In reply to imusic

Yes to which question exactly?

In reply to archangel

West Indies still losing to Scotland, Netherlands, and Zimbabwe as West Indies. So yes, demote West Indies to associate status. No need to play as individual countries as they will be even weaker.

In reply to archangel
That's what you get when you ask two questions in one post

In reply to Seechy


Seech bhai it might be the harsher of the two outcomes, staying as a collective as opposed to competing as individual countries.

Look as it is there are over 90 Associate Members spread across the Globe. The current sovereign countries that make up the WI collective can find a place and funding if they were to compete separately. Serbia is an associate, man!

For one thing, individual Caribbean governments will be more inclined to get behind their country teams and push them. As a collective, on this 50th anniversary of CARICOM, it is fitting to say that that body has done little to or more tellingly had negligible impact on advancing the WI cricket product since its inception.

And if the governance structures that Caribbean people have put in place - through the representatives they voted into high office - are not able to or are unwilling to tackle the primary issue bedeviling WI cricket, that of proper governance and administration then let the citizens of each territory be left to promote and support the cause of their individual territories wherever that leads them.

Wether we want to accept it or not but we are virtually now an ICC Associate team for no ranked teams really want to play us, if they do, we are lucky if they play two or three test matches with us. I believe each regional team should play T20 and ODI as independent nations as ICC Associate teams, while CWI continues with the Test team.

In reply to archangel

Signal to play as individual countries

Except. There are many obstacles.

As I understand it, based on authority from the ICC, CWI “owns” cricket in the region.

Meaning that CWI determines where, when, by whom & against whom cricket is played in the region

As it’s currently structured, CWI is comprised of individual territorial boards.

It is likely that all territorial boards will need to vote to effectively disband and “go it alone”. Perhaps nothing less than a unanimous vote to “go it alone” may be required.

Even if there was a will, who willingly gives up power?

Let’s say they get past that. I’m assuming each territorial board will now need to apply to ICC to become associate members.

ICC will have to allow each board to “own” cricket in their respective territories, much as CWI owns cricket in the region.

LONG story short…….too many obstacles to overcome. But maybe the state of the game in the region and this latest disastrous result could initiate a discussion.

In reply to imusic


Okay! Lets take this further. Since the territorial boards are the essential planks in the CWI set up then go after them! Territorial boards do not own the major stadia in the Caribbean where international cricket is played. As a citizen get behind your elected representatives who govern to lock all stadia and associated public resources used to stage matches under the aegis of CWI via area boards. Bring citizen pressure to bear. Already citizens across the Caribbean DO NOT attend matches in person hence empty stadiums. Go one further, close them.

Worst possible outcome, ICC claims gov't interference and sanctions CWI. Brilliant! The citizens turn the screws further. In the absence of CWI participation in international cricket, individual territories then confront their home boards with a view to ripping up the existing structure and rebuilding from the ground up. Stay the course, realizing no international cricket for WI is the best possible outcome until the structure changes or countries decide it's not really worth it to reconstitute a colonial entity and indeed go their own ways.

The best outcome, those who are really concerned about Caribbean cricket will get a chance to truly build something that everyone can rally around BUT through a construct of their own. I have not known a single sportsperson in any other sporting discipline in these Isles of the Caribbean who loses sleep and endures all sorts of insular and parochial talk because he doesn't represent a West Indies football or basketball or any ball team.

Mental health is a very real thing, eh. Lots of people can save themselves the bother.

Breaking News. The West Indies Crixket Board has fired the entire coaching staff and replace them with a Chinese Coach. His name is Win Won Soon.

In reply to cumberland

QPO is owned by a private entity - QPCC
As far as I know, Brian Lara Stadium is a government entity

I believe Kensington Oval is owned by a private entity (although it’s owned by England whenever they tour there )

Providence National stadium suggests it’s owned by Government

Not sure about Sabina Park or Sir Vivian Richards Stadium or Wimdsor Park or the stadium in Grenada

The point is, even if government wanted to close stadia, I don’t think they can close stadia that are privately owned.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Win won soon say go it alone…

In reply to archangel

" An Idiot with a Plan Can Beat a Genius Without a Plan”

That's the present situation West Indies are.....We are beaten by all associates because they are all planning for this qualification for 1 year to 6 months....We on the other hand wasted precious time...

Simmons resigned as White ball coach in October.....CWI waited till May to appoint a permanent team management.

CWI ought to have talk to all players participating in IPL to join team little early.... given the situation...Pooran,Mayers, Shepherd, Charles,Akeal, Powell Holder, Joseph..... that's about entire core team...

CWI left out Hety...non can play spinners...once Pooran & Hope got out...

CWI planning let to this situation...team was totally I'll prepared.....compared to associates, who were fully prepared tactically as well as technically...

In reply to Onionman0

I'll give our CWI a break on this one.

Playing amongst associate teams, why wouldn't they (CWI) expect it to be a walk-over for the mighty West Indies?

In reply to Drapsey

No associate team is pushover....no test playing nation can claim to be unbeatable by Associate team....A team consisting of Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid,Sourav, lost to Bangladesh ,minnow then in World Cup 2007 in Caribbean.... Pakistan lost to Ireland in same World Cup....which resulted in Woolmer untimely death......England lost to Netherlands in 2009 T-20 World Cup... England lost to Ireland in 2011 World Cup..list goes on....the team, which consider itself to be mighty always suffered ignominy...
Your assertion of mighty West Indies having a walk over....was the main reason for debacle....
Planning and preparation are only way to success....CWI failed to plan.... Associate teams planned it ...much in advance...that cause our downfall..

In reply to imusic

That I get. Gov't can't close private stadia. This is why Bourda in Guyana went the way of the train and Gov't built the Providence stadium. Gov'ts can act when it suits their purpose. The citizenry just has to get their respective gov'ts to see WI cricket as their purpose. A mighty struggle I agree but in the context of third-world societies most of what the rank and file wants done has to be done through social agitation. A precarious thing yet, where WI cricket is seems beyond precarious!

Ireland and Zimbabwe are full members.
That is our level. There is little difference between Scotland, Ireland, Nepal, Netherlands, Namibia, Zimbabwe, West Indies and Afghanistan. Oman, UAE slowly catching up.

West Indies has a decent Test team. That is the thin thread they are clinging on to.

In reply to Seechy

Time we find out.

In reply to WIForever

With that in mind should the ICC officially declare a Tier 2

In reply to archangel

Didn’t Windies beat England in the last test series?
Smh

In reply to Onionman0

I have issues when West Indies lose and someone says it was because such and such didn't play. It is like West Indies is never playing the 'right' side whenever they lose. Yet still, some of these players who it is said should have been in the team to prevent loss, their averages aren't screaming out, pick me or when they were in the team, it was losing just the same.

I fear West Indies will never have the correct eleven ever, until of course when they start winning consistently. Which selectors have that magic touch?

In reply to Poggy
And on that basis, they are firmly in the top ranks of cricket. OK.

Maybe it is because I am so old to remember what it was like back when things were way better than it is today.
But like one poster said, it is only the Test Team that is making West Indies relevant today and I believe the adjective used was 'slim."

I thought the post was West Indies as associates should be getting some backing money from UAE to host a cup tournament with UAE Scotland Netherlands and USA or even drafting these teams in the Super 50 in a league setup.