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Kevin Sinclair is Roger Harper
2023-07-18 20:14:59
2023-07-18 20:27:11
In reply to imusic
Trevor, who dat?
2023-07-18 20:37:18
In reply to imusic
if nothing else Roger has a beautiful slingy stretchy delivery action and then at times he gave the impression of doing it in slow motion
did Roger do the sault? 
2023-07-18 20:41:13
In reply to Maispwi
Fixed
2023-07-18 20:46:27
In reply to imusic
at this point not quite the offie Roger was, not in style, guile, etc
very different spinners
I don't recall seeing Sinclair beating people with flight or in the air...but i guess he can develop that though at his height might not be that easy
2023-07-18 20:59:06
Roger Harper was a "Friend" pick, ask Lloyd
2023-07-18 21:20:18
In reply to WI_cricfan
friend or relative, like David Holford?
2023-07-18 21:22:38
In reply to WI_cricfan
Roger Harper was a "Friend" pick, ask Lloyd
Utter garbage!!!!
2023-07-18 21:59:53
In reply to Larr Pullo
Robert Haynes deserved the pick over Roger Harper
2023-07-18 22:03:46
In reply to FanAttick
So there was Guyanese favoritism? 
2023-07-18 22:51:55
In reply to FanAttick
i don't know the politics of it so enlighten ...i looked at their numbers and its a different story granted Haynes played minimally at the intl level
what was haynes better at than Harper?
2023-07-18 22:53:25
In reply to sudden
there always was and always would be...don't know if this Harper's case falls there...
but you bajans scaled it to unprecedented levels so much so that man get drap but dem still traveling wid the team
2023-07-18 22:53:32
In reply to FanAttick
2023-07-18 22:55:53
In reply to WI_cricfan
Roger Harper was a "Friend" pick, ask Lloyd
#Facts
2023-07-18 22:56:52
In reply to doosra
but you bajans scaled it to unprecedented levels big grin so much so that man get drap but dem still traveling wid the team
#Facts to infinity
2023-07-18 23:13:29
In reply to FanAttick
Deading wid laff
2023-07-18 23:20:31
In reply to Larr Pullo
He was a Guyanese pick- Dukes is not singular in his delusions 
2023-07-18 23:20:40
In reply to Larr Pullo
Utter garbage!!!!
Not so
Rangy Nanan was the best off spinner in the region when Harper made his test debut in 1983 against India
Harper wasn’t even the best off spinner in Guyana at the time. That would be Clyde Butts.
Fren ting is EXACTLY why Roger Harper made WI team.
Doh get it twisted
Now….his fielding brought a whole new dimension to the game. That’s undeniable. He became the second specialist fielder in test cricket history.
The first was NZ’s Graeme Vivian
And the third was SA’s Hanse Cronje
Sinclair not remotely in that company in the field and his batting and bowling, while adequate, aren’t anything special at this point. Maybe he’ll develop. I honestly hope so
2023-07-19 00:02:18
In reply to doosra
Ok there is a hint of a difference but I am afraid I see no distinction
2023-07-19 00:06:31
In reply to imusic
Is why u leave out Arthurton and Logie from dat list?
2023-07-19 00:11:15
In reply to imusic
Tell him universal truths, brother
2023-07-19 02:10:15
In reply to Maispwi
Is why u leave out Arthurton and Logie from dat list?
I’m discussing Harper’s selection to the test team as an off spinner.
I “listed” Nanan & Butts as off spinners with superior records and ability in the off spin department who were not selected.
I don’t recall either Arthurton or Logie bowling off spin & in contention for selection on the test team on that basis.
2023-07-19 04:34:46
In reply to imusic
Roger Harper played in the world beater team but still fizzle out.... mediocre would be understatement..... very much over rated...Bevan destroyed him partially with that last ball four....and remaining part dismantle in semi final against Australia in 1996 World Cup...
Sinclair, ..how he does...lies in future
2023-07-19 07:07:35
In reply to imusic
You state without evidence the following
1.Nanan and Butts were superior off-spin bowlers to Roger Harper.
2.Harper's selection to West Indies test teams was due to his relationship with Clive Lloyd
You do not mention anybody's test record to buttress your conclusion and typically have ZERO statistics to back up your conclusion
What is Roger Harper's test record?
In 25 test matches he took 46 wickets at 28.07 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.14.He had a strike rate of 78.59
Lemme ask you the following question
1.Did Roger Harper's performance in test cricket justify his selection?
SURPRISE ME and deal DIRECTLY with the above points made!!!!!!!
2023-07-19 09:27:30
In reply to sudden
It is alleged that Harper conspired to derail Haynes’ career because he saw Haynes as a direct competitor.. It is alleged that this included carrying news on Haynes’ alleged disciplinary infractions on a WI A tour to the UK when Harper was skipper…Haynes was also under bowled even after he bamboozled Clive Big Pussy Lloyd during the 1982 1st class season…
2023-07-19 09:29:43
In reply to imusic
True!!!
Fren pick big time,no statistic can justify picking someone just for his /her fielding.This lucky cricketer got to play 25 tests and got 45 wickets,I know of one spinner from TT who played 12 tests and got 45 wickets and was dropped,2others played 12 tests each and 36 wickets each and was dropped both from TT.The great Lloyd was cappo.Just to end Nanan was a better spinner and batsman than Harper.
2023-07-19 10:16:26
In reply to granite
Indeed and the islands talk about victimization… time to go it alone 
2023-07-19 12:43:50
In reply to Dukes
1.Did Roger Harper's performance in test cricket justify his selection?
but that's letting the ends justify the means ... something we vehemently argued against lately
PS: I am not saying Harper's selection was / was not on merit...
2023-07-19 14:09:47
In reply to doosra
PS: I am not saying Harper's selection was / was not on merit...
Powenesque
2023-07-19 14:17:20
In reply to imusic
Indeed
But that would be because I don't always know things ...
I was not yet in primary school at that time and I've not encountered this topic before
So yes guilty as charged
2023-07-19 14:32:58
In reply to Larr Pullo
Larr Pullo7/18/23, 5:22:38 PM
In reply to WI_cricfan
Roger Harper was a "Friend" pick, ask Lloyd
Utter garbage!!!!
In reply to WI_cricfan
Roger Harper was a "Friend" pick, ask Lloyd
Utter garbage!!!!
You are right, it is utter garbage that he was a friend pick and that we should ask Lloyd.
The fact is LFSB had a hand in this.
But you can't ask LFSB
2023-07-19 14:40:07
In reply to WI_cricfan
The fact is, Harper did not merit selection over Nanan or Butts. Not by any standard or measure. Despite Dukes’ attempt to contort FACT
2023-07-19 15:02:01
In reply to imusic
Maybe Lloyd had no faith in another Trini spinner after Imitiaz Ali and Jumadeen failed to get the job done versus India in 1976!
2023-07-19 15:51:47
In reply to StumpCam
Maybe.
Obviously he didn’t have faith in the way better than Harper Guyanese off spinner Butts either
2023-07-19 16:10:24
In reply to imusic
you and I both know Harper was a friend pick I was only playing with Larr
2023-07-19 16:14:21
In reply to StumpCam
No! After the QPO disaster Lloyd went with pace like fyah.
LFSB influenced Lloyd to pick Harper.
2023-07-19 16:51:34
In reply to StumpCam
I am not sure Jumadeen failed . . . I don't think Lloyd was multicultural enough - what a contradiction- you want a west indies with everyone the same- low intercultural competence
2023-07-19 16:59:28
History is never written by losers
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It is said that Lloyd took his three spinners aside and asked them: “Gentlemen, I gave you 400 runs to bowl at and you failed. How many runs must I give you in future to make sure that you get the wickets?”
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The Test was a historic one, not only because it was then the highest successful chase in Test cricket, but also because it changed world cricket for over two decades. Jumadeen was retained for the next Test at Sabina Park, where the Indian batsmen were blown away by the raw pace and bounce of Holding and Wayne Daniel. India lost only 11 wickets in the Test as one batsman after another was felled.
Imtiaz and Padmore were forgotten, for a new era — that of four-pronged West Indian fast bowlers — had been born. Andy Roberts was already there, and Holding had arrived. The next couple of years saw the likes of Daniel and Julien deliver goods —till Joel Garner and Colin Croft came along. Then came Sylvester Clarke, Courtney Walsh, Patrick Patterson, Ian Bishop, Curtly Ambrose, and — the greatest of them all — Malcolm Marshall.
World-class fast bowlers like Ezra Moseley and Tony Gray were restricted to a handful of appearances. Franklyn Stephenson did not play at all.
And, of course, no spinner ever made it — till Roger Harper came along with his batting and electric fielding to support his off-breaks. Till Harper, the fast bowlers were supported by the part-time bowling of Richards and Larry Gomes, and Carl Hooper came along later with his innocuous off-breaks.
Note that like Dukes (and Narper), Lloyd was ........ only tits
2023-07-19 17:05:43
In reply to Barry
and when Lara got his turn he penciled in nose-picking Crackman Dillon
2023-07-19 17:10:50
In reply to WI_cricfan
No! After the QPO disaster Lloyd went with pace like fyah.
Yes, I know that, so why would Lloyd pick Rangy Nanan, the Cornwall of that time??
LFSB influenced Lloyd to pick Harper.
I left Guyana in 1983, so I have no knowledge, intimate or otherwise of such events!
2023-07-19 17:31:57
In reply to sudden
and when Lara got his turn he penciled in nose-picking Crackman Dillon
Sending to Merv Lawyer sudden . . . I agree with Lara-who did that islander manager want to play instead-a dotish policeman?
EVIDENCE
sudden 7/19/23, 1:05:43 PM
In reply to Barry
and when Lara got his turn he penciled in nose-picking Crackman Dillon
sudden 7/19/23, 1:05:43 PM
In reply to Barry
and when Lara got his turn he penciled in nose-picking Crackman Dillon
2023-07-19 17:33:29
In reply to StumpCam
Rangy was like the whale? more like a dolphin ...
2023-07-19 17:35:59
more on Rangy
Nanan captained Trinidad & Tobago from 1984-91 and was one of the remarkable bowlers in 1981-82 season of Shell Shield, bagging 32 wickets in only five matches. Moreover, he was leading wicket-taker when he retired from first-class cricket. His numbers in first-class are even more staggering, picking 366 wickets from 94 matches with an economy of 2.18. Yes, you read it right! An economy of 2.18, when West Indies had more emerging batsmen when they were in their heydays, is the highlight of his career. And you can only achieve this feat if you are right on the money with line and length; Nanan’s accuracy was unmatched. Also read: Rangy Nanan: The only Test cricketer with a palindromic surname
Spinning the ball was not just the only thing Nanan had mastered. He was efficient with the bat as well. He bagged 2,607 runs at an average of 20.85, as well as scored a hundred.
Nanan was not happy with not getting another chance. He later told in an interview with Vaneisa Baksh for ESPNCricinfo: “Nobody (West Indian spinners contemporary of Nanan) got a long run, to play Test after Test. Captains of West Indies teams didn’t really know how to set fields for spinners. Cricket is a game of angles, and you had to think differently for spinners…If Shane Warne was living in the West Indies nobody would have heard of him. It took 15 Tests before he made any breakthrough.”
Spinning the ball was not just the only thing Nanan had mastered. He was efficient with the bat as well. He bagged 2,607 runs at an average of 20.85, as well as scored a hundred.
Nanan was not happy with not getting another chance. He later told in an interview with Vaneisa Baksh for ESPNCricinfo: “Nobody (West Indian spinners contemporary of Nanan) got a long run, to play Test after Test. Captains of West Indies teams didn’t really know how to set fields for spinners. Cricket is a game of angles, and you had to think differently for spinners…If Shane Warne was living in the West Indies nobody would have heard of him. It took 15 Tests before he made any breakthrough.”
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2023-07-19 17:39:13
In reply to doosra
I'll never understand batsmen giving themselves room by moving outside leg to cut balls pitched on off and turning to middle/leg.
Why not move across your stump and play it with the turn? Wha' yuh wan' 4 instead of 2 or 2 instead of one? Stay there and bat.
2023-07-19 17:40:53
In reply to Brerzerk
that's also a form of hitting across the line?
2023-07-19 17:46:10
In reply to sudden
Is picking your nose ....from the aliens who probed you
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2023-07-19 18:15:40
In reply to doosra
Dem two smileys save yuh from a roasting.!!!!!!
2023-07-19 18:57:02
In reply to imusic
Why is Rahkeem Cornwall on the team? He is too overweight and unfit to play international cricket. Are there no other spin bowlers in the Caribbean? Why wasn’t Kevin Sinclair given a chance to gain Test experience?
I did not whisper into Bryan Davis' ear!!!!!!!!!
Roger Harper was born in March 1963 and was selected to tour India in 1983 at age 20 after taking 27 wickets at 21 apiece in the WI first class Championship that year.
Rangy Nanan was born in 1953 so he is 10 years older than Roger Harper.In 1983 in the WI First class Championships in 1983 he took 26 wickets at 33.42 apiece
Why would you pick someone at age 30 when you have someone ten years younger doing better and is one of the best fielders in the world.On his debut Roger Harper took 2 breathtaking catches in the slips of successive deliveries from Malcolm Marshall to leave India 0- 2 wickets and brought Gavaskar to the crease
In 25 test matches he took 46 wickets at 28.07 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.14.He had a strike rate of 78.59
DEAL WITH THE FACTS.
You have presented ZERO FACTS just ASSERTIONS BASED ON NADA
2023-07-19 19:23:05
Rangy Nanan had the misfortune to be one of the Caribbean's leading spinners at the time Clive Lloyd's all-pace strategy was taking hold. A leading offspinner for Trinidad for almost two decades, his best season was in 1981-82 when he took 32 Shell Shield wickets in five matches and when he retired he was their leading wicket-taker in the competition. He was no mean batsman either with a first-class hundred to his name. His one Test came in Pakistan at Faisalabad in 1980-81 where he took four wickets but impressed with his tight control, and took two important catches. He is a police officer.
2023-07-19 21:18:46
In reply to openning
He is a police officer.
That's what happen when you copy and paste without checking
2023-07-19 21:33:15
In reply to Kay
I knew that eons ago.
I removed my response about age, because a year earlier Nanan took 32 wickets from 5 games, and was one of the leading spinners in the region at that time.
Can you imagine a part time cricketer, taking 32 wickets in a regional tournament?
2023-07-19 22:31:37
In reply to Dukes
Roger Harper was born in March 1963 and was selected to tour India in 1983 at age 20 after taking 27 wickets at 21 apiece in the WI first class Championship that year.
Rangy Nanan was born in 1953 so he is 10 years older than Roger Harper.In 1983 in the WI First class Championships in 1983 he took 26 wickets at 33.42 apiece
Rangy Nanan was born in 1953 so he is 10 years older than Roger Harper.In 1983 in the WI First class Championships in 1983 he took 26 wickets at 33.42 apiece
You’re so duplicitous.
27 wickets vs 26 wickets when the 27 wicket holder played nearly double the number of matches than the one that took 26 wickets.
Carry on with yuh revisionist history.
REAL history will show that Roger Harper, was not ever, and could never be as good an off spinner as Rangy Nanan or Clyde Butts.
He made the most of his frenselection so kudos to him. But he certainly wasn’t selected on MERIT.
2023-07-19 23:40:28
In reply to imusic
Yes, I discovered that Dukes, who I hitherto believed was honorable, purposely twisted evidence to confirm his own desires. Thanks for bringing this to the Board's attention . .
2023-07-19 23:42:30
In reply to Dukes
Why would you pick someone at age 30 when you have someone ten years younger doing better and is one of the best fielders in the world.On his debut Roger Harper took 2 breathtaking catches in the slips of successive deliveries from Malcolm Marshall to leave India 0- 2 wickets and brought Gavaskar to the crease
pick people to be fielders- so Logie should have played forever and Faoud Bacchus should have never played
2023-07-19 23:48:15
83/84
1 Courtney Walsh Jamaica R/A Bowler 5 924 17 602 30 3 0 6/35 20.07 30.80 3.91
2 Clyde Butts Guyana R/A Bowler 5 1816 88 652 24 2 0 6/79 27.17 75.67 2.15
3 Andy Roberts Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 5 857 34 374 21 1 1 6/80 17.81 40.81 2.62
4 Stanley Hinds Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 5 1075 33 455 21 1 0 6/97 21.67 51.19 2.54
5 Roddy Estwick Barbados R/A Bowler 5 663 12 412 19 1 0 6/68 21.68 34.89 3.73
6 Milton Small Barbados R/A Bowler 4 655 15 332 18 1 0 5/57 18.44 36.39 3.04
7 Ganesh Mahabir Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 1089 37 476 18 0 0 4/57 26.44 60.50 2.62
8 George Linton Barbados R/A Bowler 5 769 20 432 17 1 0 5/75 25.41 45.24 3.37
9 Tony Merrick Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 5 845 20 536 17 1 0 5/54 31.53 49.71 3.81
10 Thomas Kentish Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 5 954 33 350 15 0 0 4/73 23.33 63.60 2.20
11 Derek Kallicharran Guyana 4 1115 34 499 15 1 0 5/59 33.27 74.33 2.69
12 Rangy Nanan Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 1567 68 507 15 1 0 5/56 33.80 104.47 1.94
13 Harold Joseph Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 1509 51 623 15 1 0 5/83 41.53 100.60 2.48
14 Norbert Phillip Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 5 558 9 315 14 1 0 5/47 22.50 39.86 3.39
15 Neal Phillips Barbados R/A Bowler 5 643 14 285 13 0 0 4/35 21.92 49.46 2.66
16 Ray Joseph Guyana R/A Bowler 5 762 18 430 13 1 0 6/114 33.08 58.62 3.39
17 Roger Harper Guyana R/A Bowler 1 285 20 102 11 2 1 6/72 9.27 25.91 2.15
2023-07-19 23:54:23
1 Winston Davis (195 Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 5 1357 49 620 33 3 1 6/54 18.79 41.12 2.74
2 Andy Roberts Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 5 973 29 514 28 3 1 8/62 18.36 34.75 3.17
3 Eldine Baptiste Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 5 928 31 508 26 0 0 4/46 19.54 35.69 3.28
4 Clyde Butts Guyana R/A Bowler 5 1257 60 458 25 3 0 5/23 18.32 50.28 2.19
5 Roger Harper Guyana R/A Bowler 5 1338 66 492 24 2 0 5/33 20.50 55.75 2.21
6 Rangy Nanan Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 2025 69 791 24 0 0 4/46 32.96 84.38 2.34
7 Ganesh Mahabir Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 1441 54 636 23 2 0 6/68 27.65 62.65 2.65
8 Wayne Daniel Barbados R/A Bowler 4 657 11 409 22 2 1 7/55 18.59 29.86 3.74
9 Leslaine Lambert Guyana R/A Bowler 5 674 21 358 20 1 0 7/59 17.90 33.70 3.19
10 Malcolm Marshall Barbados R/A Bowler 5 1178 46 525 20 0 0 4/49 26.25 58.90 2.67
11 Derek Kallicharran Guyana 5 971 44 427 16 1 0 6/60 26.69 60.69 2.64
12 Hartley Alleyne Barbados R/A Bowler 3 484 20 245 15 1 0 6/63 16.33 32.27 3.04
13 Norbert Phillip Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 4 700 12 370 14 0 0 4/77 26.43 50.00 3.17
14 Elquemedo Willett Leeward Islands Cricket Association L/A Bowler 4 999 48 372 13 0 0 3/32 28.62 76.85 2.23
15 Neal Phillips Barbados R/A Bowler 4 719 23 376 13 0 0 3/53 28.92 55.31 3.14
16 Colin Gordon Jamaica R/A Bowler 4 674 18 416 13 0 0 4/46 32.00 51.85 3.70
17 Thomas Kentish Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 5 1207 45 447 13 0 0 3/32 34.38 92.85 2.22
18 Neil Williams Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 3 486 16 239 12 0 0 4/38 19.92 40.50 2.95
19 Noel Guishard Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 5 1054 34 455 12 0 0 4/79 37.92 87.83 2.59
20 George Linton Barbados R/A Bowler 5 608 19 359 11 1 0 5/35 32.64 55.27 3.54
21 Kelvin Williams Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 4 494 7 338 10 1 0 5/98 33.80 49.40 4.11
22 Roddy Estwick Barbados R/A Bowler 2 228 3 172 9 0 0 4/89 19.11 25.33 4.53
23 Courtney Walsh Jamaica R/A Bowler 4 702 21 351 8 0 0 2/57 43.88 87.75 3.00
2023-07-19 23:55:00
I would have picked Ganesh Mahabir
2023-07-20 00:02:42
In reply to Barry
Check Nanan's 81-82 season stats for more clarity.
2023-07-20 00:20:59
In reply to openning
so wait nah-everybody accept me does know what going on
1 Rangy Nanan Trinidad and Tobago R/A Bowler 5 1863 105 677 32 2 0 7/109 21.16 58.22 2.18
2 Andy Roberts Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 4 862 37 398 24 2 0 6/54 16.58 35.92 2.77
3 Robert Haynes Jamaica R/A Bowler 5 1109 34 624 23 3 1 6/119 27.13 48.22 3.38
4 Winston Davis (195 Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 4 1038 34 501 22 1 0 5/42 22.77 47.18 2.90
5 Norbert Phillip Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 4 726 24 342 21 2 0 7/33 16.29 34.57 2.83
6 Bernard Julien Trinidad and Tobago L/A Bowler 4 768 18 422 21 1 1 9/97 20.10 36.57 3.30
7 Noel Guishard Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 4 1074 45 448 18 1 0 6/33 24.89 59.67 2.50
8 Ezra Moseley Barbados R/A Bowler 5 961 28 476 18 0 0 4/66 26.44 53.39 2.97
9 Joel Garner Barbados R/A Bowler 3 551 24 251 16 2 0 6/73 15.69 34.44 2.73
10 Courtney Walsh Jamaica R/A Bowler 4 685 21 378 15 1 0 6/95 25.20 45.67 3.31
11 Stanley Hinds Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 4 906 28 450 15 0 0 3/45 30.00 60.40 2.98
12 Thomas Kentish Windward Islands Cricket Board of Control R/A Bowler 4 728 22 305 14 1 0 6/69 21.79 52.00 2.51
13 Albert Padmore Barbados R/A Bowler 5 1008 45 360 14 0 0 3/25 25.71 72.00 2.14
14 Ray Wynter Jamaica R/A Bowler 5 729 16 460 14 0 0 3/41 32.86 52.07 3.79
15 Derick Parry Leeward Islands Cricket Association R/A Bowler 4 1182 46 525 13 0 0 3/37 40.38 90.92 2.67
16 Franklyn Stephenson Barbados R/A Bowler 3 360 15 174 9 0 0 3/27 19.33 40.00 2.90
17 Roger Harper Guyana R/A Bowler 3 506 22 184 9 0 0 3/95 20.44 56.22 2.18
2023-07-20 00:22:32
Brothers let us pray for those who victimized Andy Roberts
Last Test 24 December 1983 v India
2023-07-20 00:22:42
In reply to imusic
You’re so duplicitous.
27 wickets vs 26 wickets when the 27 wicket holder played nearly double the number of matches than the one that took 26 wickets.
27 wickets vs 26 wickets when the 27 wicket holder played nearly double the number of matches than the one that took 26 wickets.
In the 1982-1983 season both Nanan and Harper played 6 matches
HARPER1710 BALLS,90 MAIDENS 589 RUNS 27 WICKETS,5-33 BEST BOWLING AVERAGE 21.81
NANAN 2271 BALLS,82 MAIDENS,869 RUNS,26 WICKETS,4-48 BEST BOWLING,AVERAGE 33.42
I AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE
2023-07-20 00:26:26
The West Indies must disband- stop this mess and stupid wicked people
2023-07-20 00:30:17
In reply to Dukes
I listened to Rangy- He was hurt because he bowled his heart out and it was never acknowledged-Your heritage and blood are very ruthless despite my love for you
2023-07-20 00:32:01
In reply to imusic
He made the most of his frenselection so kudos to him. But he certainly wasn’t selected on MERIT.
I must admit I find the above ILLOGICAL.
You do not agree with a selection and then the person does well but you maintain that the selection was not based on merit.
If Raymon Reifer had rattled off 3 centuries and averaged 50 I could never say that his selection to bat # 3 was not based on merit.
Ask Dijon if he still feels that Chanderpaul's selection over Roland Holder was not based on merit.
It suggests a misplaced arrogance that says regardless of what transpires you are always right.
Here is the facts.i can not recall any WI spin bowler since Gibbs with a better test bowling record than Roger Harper
2023-07-20 00:36:33
In reply to Barry
Despite your penchant for calling people names,I suggest you try to be more accurate when you post stats.The season we are talking about is 1982-1983 not 1983-1984.
The cricket seasons are based on the English season so that anything before the English season in a particular year is classified as the year before and the year of.
Roger Harper did well in early 1983 domestic season which is classified as 1982-83 and was selected to tour India in late 1983.
2023-07-20 00:40:13
In reply to Barry
I listened to Rangy- He was hurt because he bowled his heart out and it was never acknowledged-Your heritage and blood are very ruthless despite my love for you
You mean like Keemo did in Regional 4 day!
Do you have love for him???
2023-07-20 00:42:48
In reply to Dukes
I am doubly qualified more than you or your cousins-- As opening suggested we must look at a player's body of work 1981 to 1984. The larger sample helps us to make a more accurate generalization
The phrase body of work refers to the production of a single artist, writer, or composer. So does corpus (Latin for body) and oeuvre (French for work). Such terms become literal through the artist's depiction of the body itself.
2023-07-20 00:43:49
In reply to StumpCam
Keemo left regionals early, Sarge
You are obsessed with me and my friend's .....
Why are you still stalking me
You mean like Keemo did in Regional 4 day! razz
Do you have love for him???
2023-07-20 00:58:26
In reply to Dukes
Roger Harper did well in early 1983 domestic season which is classified as 1982-83 and was selected to tour India in late 1983.
So you would not look at Nanan's 81-82 and 82-83, and see that Nanan had two years to Harper one.
Even 83/84 Nanan from stats listed was among the top spinners.
2023-07-20 00:59:31
In reply to Dukes
So how many tests did Butts and Nanan play?
2023-07-20 08:56:41
In reply to openning
So you would not look at Nanan's 81-82 and 82-83, and see that Nanan had two years to Harper one.
We are picking a touring squad in August 1983 to tour India.In the recent domestic season, a twenty year old off spinner takes 27 wickets at 21 apiece and a 30 year old off spinner takes 26 wickets at 33 apiece are under consideration.The 20 year old has significantly more potential with the bat than the 30 year old.The 20 year old is arguably already one of the best fielders in the world.Despite the 30 year old having almost a decade more experience you decide as selectors to pick the 20 year old ESPECIALLY because your main weapons in the India test series is going to be Marshall,Holding and Roberts since India are adept at playing spinners and you do not expect your spinners to play a major role in the proceedings as you have 3 great fast bowlers.
Having chosen your team what eventually took place??
1. Marshall plays all 6 test matches and takes 33 wickets at 18.82 apiece
2.Holding plays all 6 test matches and takes 30 wickets at 22.10 apiece
3.Davis plays all 6 test matches and takes 14 wickets at40.14 apiece
4.Roberts plays 2 test matches and takes 5 wickets at 29.60 apiece
5,Harper plays 2 test matches and takes 1 wicket at 124 apiece
Harper played in the 5th and 6th test matches.In the 5th test match he bowled a total of 8 overs for 16 runs as West Indies won the match before lunch on Day 4 by an innings and 46 runs to take a 3-0 lead in the series with 1 test left to play.
In the 6th test match which was rain affected,Gavaskar batting at #4 made 236 undefeated as the match ended in a tame draw with India scoring 451-8 declared.Harper 42 overs 1-108
Question for you is in RETROSPECT,do you think it would have been better to take Nanan on that tour of India instead of Harper.Let us hear your reasoning???
2023-07-20 09:02:07
In reply to natty_forever
So how many tests did Butts and Nanan play?
Butts (1957) played 7 test matches and took 10 wickets for 595 runs at 59.50 runs apiece
Nanan (1953) played 1 test match and took 4 wickets for 91 runs at 22.75 apiece
Harper (1963) played 25 test matches and took 46 wickets at 28.07 apiece
Hope that helps you.
2023-07-20 10:23:28
In reply to Barry
Yes, I discovered that Dukes, who I hitherto believed was honorable, purposely twisted evidence to confirm his own desires. Thanks for bringing this to the Board's attention . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
2023-07-20 11:02:08
In reply to natty_forever
You buss him up like a two by four… he can’t even see the unrisen
2023-07-20 11:03:32
In reply to Dukes
Well written right
2023-07-20 11:05:33
In reply to Dukes
When Nanan talked I thought he was being a tit- seems the victimization was true
Butts (1957) played 7 test matches and took 10 wickets for 595 runs at 59.50 runs apiece
Nanan (1953) played 1 test match and took 4 wickets for 91 runs at 22.75 apiece
Harper (1963) played 25 test matches and took 46 wickets at 28.07 apiece
Hope that helps you
2023-07-20 11:21:24
In reply to Barry
Nanan was not VICTIMIZED,he just came along at the wrong time.He was at his peak between 1976 and 1984 and during that time there was Roberts,Holding,Croft,Garner,Marshall,Daniel,Clarke and Davis and Clive Lloyd with a policy of 4 fast bowlers.
Similarly Ralston Otto and Irving Shillingford were not victimized, they just came along at the zenith of WI batsmanship with the top 6 batsmen all averaging over 40 in test cricket.
2023-07-20 11:34:23
In reply to Dukes
Nanan was not VICTIMIZED,he just came along at the wrong time.He was at his peak between 1976 and 1984 and during that time there was Roberts,Holding,Croft,Garner,Marshall,Daniel,Clarke and Davis and Clive Lloyd with a policy of 4 fast bowlers.
Similarly Ralston Otto and Irving Shillingford were not victimized, they just came along at the zenith of WI batsmanship with the top 6 batsmen all averaging over 40 in test cricket
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You know victimization, imperialism, and bullying could be subtle and contradictory right… you don’t like a certain person so you kick dem in they bottom, tell dem go from here and then say they came at the wrong time…
2023-07-20 11:39:36
In reply to Barry
I am speaking specifically, while you are talking in generalities.
2023-07-20 13:03:34
In reply to Dukes
my rates are $1000 an hour and i charge in hour blocks. so if you and i are engaged verbally in person or electronically for 5 minutes that is $1000. if i have to anwser any correspondence on your behalf for 20 minutes that is $1000 and if i do research for 45 minutes that is $1000
if you are willing to instruct me please revert and i will cause to be sent to you a client care letter spelling out our engagement and what to expect
2023-07-20 13:51:58
In reply to sudden
Please give me a reason why I should fire my current lawyer who has won cases before both the CCJ and the Privy Council.
BTW Those rates quoted are in Guyana dollars?
2023-07-20 13:58:44
Here is a fun fact. Lloyd's team had a few "friends" but no one made a stink out of it cause they were winning.
2023-07-20 14:00:34
In reply to Dukes
Nanan was not VICTIMIZED,he just came along at the wrong time.He was at his peak between 1976 and 1984 and during that time there was Roberts,Holding,Croft,Garner,Marshall,Daniel,Clarke and Davis and Clive Lloyd with a policy of 4 fast bowlers.
When Haper debut for WI?
2023-07-20 14:06:10
In reply to WI_cricfan
1983
2023-07-20 14:10:02
In reply to Dukes
So if I follow the logic here is what I see
- Nanan, a spinner, was at his peak between 1976 to 1984
- Lloyd's policy during that time was 4 fast bowlers
- Harper, a spinner, debut in 1983.
Is that about right?
2023-07-20 14:19:16
In reply to WI_cricfan
You did read why Harper was selected for the tour of India or did you miss that.
I also notice you have studiously avoided all the points I made on this thread.
Carry on smartly.
2023-07-20 14:23:25
In reply to Dukes
Let's stick to the question. Could you clarify if the below is what you are saying?
So if I follow the logic here is what I see
- Nanan, a spinner, was at his peak between 1976 to 1984
- Lloyd's policy during that time was 4 fast bowlers
- Harper, a spinner, debut in 1983.
2023-07-20 14:31:13
In reply to WI_cricfan
Roger Harper was born in March 1963 and was selected to tour India in 1983 at age 20 after taking 27 wickets at 21 apiece in the WI first class Championship that year.
Rangy Nanan was born in 1953 so he is 10 years older than Roger Harper.In 1983 in the WI First class Championships in 1983 he took 26 wickets at 33.42 apiece
Why would you pick someone at age 30 when you have someone ten years younger doing better and is one of the best fielders in the world.On his debut Roger Harper took 2 breathtaking catches in the slips of successive deliveries from Malcolm Marshall to leave India 0- 2 wickets and brought Gavaskar to the crease
In 25 test matches he took 46 wickets at 28.07 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.14.He had a strike rate of 78.59
2023-07-20 14:48:07
In reply to WI_cricfan
Here is a fun fact. Lloyd's team had a few "friends" but no one made a stink out of it cause they were winning.
You have identified Roger Harper as one of these "FRIENDS"
However you conveniently can not deny his record as a test off-spinner where he took 46 wickets at 28.07 apiece with an economy rate of 2.14 and a strike rate of 78.59.
Naming a West Indian spin bowler since Gibbs with better test numbers than that might prove elusive, even to you.
2023-07-20 15:15:41
In reply to WI_cricfan
Would you include Faoud Bacchus as one of the "FRIENDS"?
2023-07-20 16:44:52
You all are foolish as are these stupid bullied tits- Australia had Lillee and Thompson-did that stop the entry of Warne and MacGill?. . . the colonials sh!t on all yuh brains here and in the diaspora
2023-07-20 16:47:55
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Just bullying - these clowns and killing good players - talking about legacy and then visiting the IMF
2023-07-20 16:49:52
Well after all this deliberation it seems Warrican is the real “Roger Harper” 
2023-07-20 17:23:04
In reply to Dukes
We are picking a touring squad in August 1983 to tour India.In the recent domestic season, a twenty year old off spinner takes 27 wickets at 21 apiece and a 30 year old off spinner takes 26 wickets at 33 apiece are under consideration.The 20 year old has significantly more potential with the bat than the 30 year old.The 20 year old is arguably already one of the best fielders in the world.Despite the 30 year old having almost a decade more experience you decide as selectors to pick the 20 year old ESPECIALLY because your main weapons in the India test series is going to be Marshall,Holding and Roberts since India are adept at playing spinners and you do not expect your spinners to play a major role in the proceedings as you have 3 great fast bowlers.
Question for you is in RETROSPECT,do you think it would have been better to take Nanan on that tour of India instead of Harper.Let us hear your reasoning???
This is a question after the fact, because we can look at the data of the series and comment on it.
One would expect a 30 year old to be an experience athlete, it is obvious to me that Nanan was consistent at the regional level, by not knowing anything else about the two spinners and Harper the previous year took 9 wickets to Nanan 32, I would have selected Nanan.
81/82 Nanan 32 Harper 9
82/83 Harper 27 Nanan 26
2023-07-20 17:27:37
In reply to openning
This is a question after the fact, because we can look at the data of the series and comment on it.
I know that.It is therefore an easy question, yet you do not answer it.
2023-07-20 17:31:50
In reply to Dukes
I[b] would have selected Nanan.
81/82 Nanan 32 Harper 9
82/83 Harper 27 Nanan 26[/b]
2023-07-20 17:33:04
In reply to openning
Dukes could try and manipulate stats all he wants.
The FACTS remain that Roger Harper did not MERIT selection to the WI test team over Nanan or Butts
Both were and have always been significantly superior bowlers.
2023-07-20 17:37:05
In reply to sudden
You ever argue CCJ and Privy?
2023-07-20 17:38:03
In reply to imusic
I figure him out when a all-time team was selected and weeks was part of it, the dude believe Kanhai should be ahead of Sir Everton, a player whose average is 10 points higher, who left a record of five consecutive tons, a record which still stand.
The four greats West Indies batsman are Headley, Richards, Lara, Sir Everton.
2023-07-20 17:43:20
In reply to openning
Ah surprised you eh sneak een Seymour Nurse in dey
2023-07-20 17:52:58
In reply to Halliwell
2023-07-20 17:59:03
In reply to imusic
Seymour Macdonal Nurse was a great Barbadian batsman, second to Sir Everton, he retired too early even having such a good average, his career does not merit greatness.
If you look at Seymour stats you will see, only Lara and Shiv are better , not Sarwan, not Gayle.
2023-07-20 19:26:14
In reply to openning
What about The BARRON???
Garfield St.Aubyn Sobers
2023-07-20 19:44:00
In reply to Halliwell
Argue with, not at or before, and I am unlikely to given that I have retired
That is why I have as much time as Dukes have fees
2023-07-20 20:16:18
In reply to sudden
Sarge did really promise when he finish wid you you would retire
When he sen you and the other fella that lawyer letter allyuh went undergrong and only you resurfacing regular
The man finish you
2023-07-20 20:16:46
In reply to sudden
Respect
Dukes money can’t afford you
2023-07-20 20:31:08
In reply to Halliwell
Send me a copy of the letter please
I must say I miss STD
2023-07-20 20:50:13
In reply to sudden
??? Letter
I not in allyuh ting
Amma member of the live audience
2023-07-20 21:04:09
In reply to Dukes
One should never devalue a sacred product
2023-07-20 21:13:28
In reply to Halliwell
Well Ontario is alive here. He may also be sudden because suddenly he/she/it (sudden) believes in aliens too. Sarge was probed when young maybe.
2023-07-21 00:38:32
In reply to doosra
I don't recall seeing Sinclair beating people with flight or in the air..
I don’t recall seeing that with Harper needah
Beat off de bat maybe
De worst was when he lost his action in England and ended up looking like a javelin thrower
2023-07-21 01:20:17
In reply to imusic
you and dukesy sekkle dis wan yah
2023-07-21 04:22:09
In reply to doosra
Nutting to setttle. De facts speak for demself
Harper was a frenism pick. . Nanan and Butts victimized in de orocess
2023-07-21 10:32:00
In reply to imusic
Nutting to setttle. De facts speak for demself
I agree
Here are the facts
1.20 year old Roger Harper was selected to tour India in 1983 after taking 27 wickets at 21.81 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.06
His "competition" 30 year old Nanan took 26 wickets at 33.42 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.29 apiece
2.His subsequent TEST record was
25 tests 46 wickets at 28.08 runs apiece and an economy rate of 2.14
Harper was a frenism pick.
Where is your evidence???
You are wrong to think that merely saying something makes it true.You have to provide EVIDENCE and thus far you have provided ZERO EVIDENCE
The above evidence in fact shows that not only was he deserving of his pick but he JUSTIFIED HIS PICK
In a related matter
I KNOW CLYDE BUTTS.He is a friend of mine.He came with me to Berbice at the launching of a batting cage in June to go along with the newly acquired bowling machine and his views are very different from yours.
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