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A young Lloyd, could be easily mistaken for a young Gayle.

In reply to Emir

Seeing that pic reminds me of the days pasting such pictures in my school copy books

In reply to Emir
just taller, I got to see him in the covers as 12th man vs. Oz. 12th. Man!!
As Dukes always remind us Walcott got him to still be interested in WI thank God

In reply to Emir

Looks like Jackie Hendricks in the background

In reply to Brerzerk

I saw that match at Bourda and the things that stood out for me were Jackie Hendriks stumping Winston English off the fast bowler Lester King and Pinnock styling at the crease with all kinds of strange mannerisms..Of course my new hero Roy Fredericks got a century in the second innings.

In reply to Dukes
Me Bajan friend tell me in a game against Jamaica Lester king appeal for LBW but Umpire Curtis Jordan give it not out. Kingie had words with Jordan. Before the disciplinary hearing Morris Foster convinced Lester king to apologize to Jordan so that he will not be suspended for the next game because Jamaica had a good shot at winning the shell shield that year. Lester King went to the hearing and apologized. This is what he said: Me pologize Mr. Umpire but me still think you is a rass thief. True story.

In reply to CricSham



True thing. Lester was something else. You should hear him when a catch is dropped off his bowling. Pity
that poor teammate no matter who. He was always like that..hate to lose at anything, marbles,cricket , dominoes.
But don't mess with him when he is bowling.He was cool when things are going ok and always gave his 100 per cent.but a misfield
or worse,a drop catch would set him off.
I heard about him on that tour of Australia in 68-69 when he even refused to bowl another spell after a couple catches were put down off his
bowling.It was a side game though.
He was a winner tho from his early pre Jamaica rep days when he played for my parish St. Mary
in the then Nethersole Competition.
During that time it was the custom of the JCB to have an ALL Schools team visit a few Parishes after their season closed. It was useful
development for them. The youngsters, including Foster enjoyed such tours.

When they came to St. Mary for the final game they encountered King and obviously he was not bowling at his quickest.
However one batsman after smacking him for a four,went down the pitch and tapped it.Next delivery ,King gave him hat he termed was a 'Test'
ball, flooring him, much to the horror of all.
That ended his innings, the match and subsequently the end of the annual tours. Fortunately the player recovered but never played much
after that.

There was something about the innocent looking and late Lester King.

In reply to Emir

That photo looks more like Sabina Park 1966 rather than Bourda 1967...

And the players are leaving the field; not entering.

In reply to Elsie

I remember that picture in the Guyana newspaper and in addition,Butcher only made 27 at Sabina in 1966 when Lloyd made his 194 so it is unlikely that such a picture would be in a Guyana newspaper when Butcher only made 27



Absolutely correct.Fielders always go out before the batsmen and it is clear that looking at the condition of the batsmen's clothes that they were just in the hot sun.

In reply to CricSham



Cortez not Curtis

In reply to Castled
Ah. Thanks. Wait Jordan had some Spanish in he

In reply to Dukes


But your explanation does not make sense... Both batsmen are representing Guyana..

It's Sabina Park... A larger version of that photo was posted when Butcher died in Jan 2020..

In any case..; I have equipment that can study photographs... Location, Date, Time, etc... Lol..

In reply to hubert Met King long after his playing days at a bar in Red Hills, told me a story about the 1963 England tour.Said for the game at Lords he and Val gave some people they knew from Spanish Town tickets and they brought in about 300 people with the four tickets!

Butcher never got the recognition he so deserves. Tough guy to bowl to.

In reply to Dukes
Dukes, U would rem the game in 1981, I think, Guyana V T&T when they selected Lloyd to play and he wasn't even in the country.
Kali was batting and wickets were falling around him.
Lloyd came in and was flown directly to the GDF head quarter, and was driven to Border and he made 144, I think, and Kali made 184.
I know U would have more details on that game.

In reply to hubert
He was definitely a character. I saw him at Bourda against England when RBK and the Barron both hit 150. This likkle Coolie boy was in rails when RBK Come down the pavilion steps. A collie man throw $100 on the ground betting anyone RBK mekkin 50. No one took his bet. RBK crank up a couple fours. The man lick down the hundred dollars again giving 2 to 1 odds RBK mek a 100 today. No one took him up. I also remember this game because I put on some cussin pon Gibbo. Sobers had 95 and I wanted him to get a 100 in each innings and all Gibbo had to do was face one fxxxg ball. The commentators say before the ball deliver sobers start the walk to the pavilion. All three stumps flat. I was home that day man I cuss Gibbs for the rest of the day. But nothing compared to the cussin I give that rascal Kippins. Nine wickets down and he would not give the last Man LBW. Allen Knott was batting with wicket keeping pads and just padding out everything from Gibbo. Police had to escort him rassclat off that day. Men woulda buss he head

In reply to tops

I was not in Guyana in 1981 but I know about that incident
I was told that the BWIA flight was delayed and he did not arrive in Guyana until after the match was started.A GDF helicopter then flew him from Timer to the Residence across the street from Bourda where he changed into his cricket gear.

I thought Cortez was a nickname that Umpire Jordan got because of his mustache but found out that his real name was Hugh Cortez Jordan.He along with Douglas Sang-Hue were the best WI Umpires back in the day.BTW he was one of only 2 Umpires to call Charlie Griffith for throwing.

In reply to CricSham

I did an interview with Umpire Kippins in 2004 where he addressed that very match.It was posted on the front page here so the techies on this board can pull it up.

In reply to Dukes
If I’m not mistaken that is how the name Burnham magic got started. I am told that Lloyd was extremely unhappy with that. But.Forbes was famous for tying his coattails to anyone that was in the spotlight

In reply to Dukes
Dukes you have to get me that interview man I got to read that. Yes Sang Hu and Jordan were two of our finest.

In reply to Dukes

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Dukes, Cortez had a (beef slang) with Charlie for years, Cortez and Charlie had many contentious disagreements on and off the field. Cortez would often call Charlie for overstepping and eventually he was the first to call him for throwing. There was bad blood between these 2 for many years. Many believed that Cortez called the noball late in RBK first ball duck during his century in 65.

In reply to camos

That is lester...Used to call me all the time to play dominoes on Red Hills Road..could not
overcome the victories I had over him and his partner..He got full revenge and boy was he
happy.. Good guy, fun to be around but don't tick him off.
Went to Trial for St.Mary as a youth when he was there but I did not get to bat against him.
He played for Swift Purcell then.

In reply to Elsie

If its 1967 it is Bourda. If 1966, Sabina Park where Lloyd made 190 odd
and destroyed the Jamaica attack. It does look like Bina when picture was taken from members
pavilion area showing a background of the grounds area at South Camp Road.
Caption said walking in..no .They are returning to the pavilion with JA players Cohen and Hendriks behind them.

In reply to hubert

Are you sure about that Cousin hubert?

In reply to FanAttick

oooooh corrected..watching netball while typing.

In reply to tc1

It was 1964 and I will tell you, the entire cricket world owes Jordan a debt of gratitude because that innings by Kanhai was one of the most destructive innings ever played against two great fast bowlers ever seen.

In reply to Dukes
Umpire Douglas Sang-Hue...
The most I rem about him was in world series cricket, when TV 9 was trying to interview Freddo about a decision giving him out. Freddo said, go ask F**in Sang-Hue, and that ended their interviewing batsmen.

In reply to tops

In reply to hubert

sounds like something Charlie Griffith would've done

In reply to Dukes

I was there it was a great innings, Kanhai hooked, pull, and flick drove, but he also ducked and took evasive action, My 6 yo brother would not look as he was scared that someone would have gotten hit. Hall got 6/ 76. This was RKB's first 50 against Hall and Griffith, you can check it out. For some reason, RBK did not bat in the 2nd innings. I thought that as teammates these guys would have taken it easy on one another.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

For sure.

In reply to tc1

I saw enough of Charlie to know he was not a thrower. As you said and i was told years after that Cortez
Jordan had a beef with Charlie why he called him in that India vs Barbados game where Contractor got hit
badly.
Worrell would not have had him in his team if he had doubts about Charlie.

In reply to hubert

Thanks, historian, many of the Bajans that knew the history like you have passed on sad to say, keep educating the Mb.

In reply to Elsie

Let us see if this one makes sense
Fredericks and Camacho opened the British Guiana innings in 1966(Our Independence was not until May that year)
Freddo was first out at the score of 47.Kanhai entered the fray and then at 59 Camacho was dismissed.In walks Basil Butcher and then he was dismissed so Solomon joins Kanhai.Kanhai is then dismissed and batting at # 6 is Lloyd.
Lloyd was the last man out for 194 having come in at 150 for 4.
Lloyd was never batting in that innings with Basil Butcher.
Contrast that with the 1967 match at Bourda where Butcher scored a hundred and Lloyd 79.

In reply to Dukes

i am sure denoke would confirm his dad was not yet around in 1867 HAHAHAHA

In reply to doosra

In reply to Dukes

But you are just throwing out numbers and partnership from a cricket website... do you trust them to get everything right...? 'Fall Of wicket' 'partnerships', etc from that long ago, when everything was written down in a scorebook with a pen...? When do you think the data was finally digitized?

Hubert already confirmed that the photo looks like Sabina Park... see his post above. You guys can continue the debate..

I don't mind being wrong, but nothing in the background looks like Bourda in those days...

Nice nostalgia anyways...

was reading the comments next to the photo. My first experience of live cricket was Shell Shield, JA v TT in the Oval in 1970, I believe. The Oval was packed, the atmosphere was electric and I got to spend the day with my father. Little wonder that 50+ years later, I still remember the day.

In reply to Elsie

Jamaica vs British Guiana

Venue: Sabina Park,Kingston
25th,26th,28th February,1 st March 1966
Match Drawn

Jamaica 2 points,British Guiana 6 points
Umpires R.Cole, D Sang Hue
Close of play Day 1 British Guiana (1) 42-0 (Camacho 32*,Fredericks11*
Close of play Day 2 British Guiana (1) 278-7 (Lloyd78* Jackman 0*)
Close of play Day 3 Jamaica (2)166-1 (McMorris 111*Headley 37*)

I will skip the Jamaica 1st Innings when they were bowled out for 222 in 87.2 overs with Harvey top scoring with 69 and Collymore and Ramnarace taking 3 wickets each and Edwin Mohammed taking 2 wickets

GS Camacho B Cohen 32
RC Fredericks run out 18
RB Kanhai c Bennett b Chambers61
BF Butcher lbw Bennett 27
JS Solomon c Hendriks b Cohen 20
CH Lloyd c sub (O Mitchell) b Cohen 194
R Ramnarace c Headley b Levy 12
RC Collymore b Levy 22
S Jackman c andB Levy 5
LR Gibbs not out 18
E Mohammed did not bat
Extras (10lb,2nb) 12
Total (9 wickets declared,144.1 overs) 421

Fall of wickets
1-47 (Fredericks,2-59 (Camacho),3-119 (Butcher), 4-150 (Kanhai),5-195 (Solomon), 6-225 (Ramnarace) 7-277 (Collymore),8-299 (Jackman) 9-421 (Lloyd,144.1 ov)
Cohen 3-111,Levy 3-116

Hope the above helps establish the fact that Lloyd and Butcher were never batting together in this match because neither batted in the BG second innings as at the end of the match BG was 27-0 with Fredericks and Kanhai at the wicket

In the match at Bourda in 1967 Butcher made 105 and Lloyd 79 and they came together with the Guyana score at 90-3 and remained together until both were dismissed with the score at 261.

In reply to Dukes

Yes. The scoreboard you printed would have made the photo of the Bourda game in 67.

But the scorecard also has an error in that Butcher is dismissed by Bennett. No the bowler was Ken Barnett
who made his debut that season replacing King who did not play and missed the tour of England that followed.
Rudie Cohen got King's place for the 66 England tour in a straight swap to give Jamaica two spots in that touring team.

Bernett partnered Cohen with the new ball but he was just above medium pace although he was a nagging bowler and
very difficult to get away. Many thought he got in the team only because he was a club mate of the captain Bull McMorris,
both being members of Lucas CC.
Remember him restricting Kanhai and Butcher till be had Butcher LBW. Everything else you had is correct but the grainy photo sure
looked like Sabina as there were no visible stands in the background as Sabina was then looking towards South Camp Road.