Dukes - Your insight on the numbers

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link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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9/16/23, 3:28:25 PM 
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The power of deductive reasoning


Dukes that list does not really say anything. You are cherry picking a single incidence and blowing it far beyond what it represents.

why are we not debating the numbers?

Jah made a valid point with his stab pun and the numbers. Those approaches notwithstanding the cheekiness are more constructive to the debate.

Serena has less WTA titles than 5 (edit 4) other players. She has a lower win percentage. What is the context that gives enough of an adjustment to swing those things in her favour?

OR do those stats not matter that much? That is an option.

link JahJah Joined: Dec 6, 2003
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9/16/23, 3:35:15 PM 
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You purposely left out my etc in the basketball stats?


The etc was supposed to include a massive negative stat in an argument that is supposed to be making the case for him being the GOAT?

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link Dukes Joined: Dec 6, 2002
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9/16/23, 3:40:12 PM 
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why are we not debating the numbers?


I have already pointed out that looking at numbers without a contextual underpinning is useless.
As an example if you retire at 29 as opposed to retiring at 41 in addition to having a child, one can surmise the former person is likely to have a greater winning percentage since that person retired while still in the prime of their career.That is such an obvious situation that to ignore it borders on intellectual malfeasance.

link JahJah Joined: Dec 6, 2003
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9/16/23, 3:40:12 PM 
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You do an excellent impersonation of Detective Columbo with your Aw Shucks comments!!!!!!


Juss trying ah ting. big grin

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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9/16/23, 3:41:34 PM 
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No. There are many stats like 3PM, PER , etc that I did not think I could realistically type out all.

You assume I am a LeBron fan?

link CricSham Joined: Aug 24, 2003
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9/16/23, 4:05:24 PM 
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Here we go with couda, wouda, shudda mind games. Dukes you’re much too intelligent to indulge in such.
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link Dukes Joined: Dec 6, 2002
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9/16/23, 4:11:25 PM 
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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9/16/23, 4:11:30 PM 
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As an example if you retire at 29 as opposed to retiring at 41 in addition to having a child, one can surmise the former person is likely to have a greater winning percentage since that person retired while still in the prime of their career.That is such an obvious situation that to ignore it borders on intellectual malfeasance.


Then what could be done is to take an equal period.

So Serena pre-child over an equal number of years to Graf.

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9/16/23, 4:43:46 PM 
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link imusic Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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9/16/23, 5:15:26 PM 
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Grand Slams - 22 (2nd all time) vs 23 (1st all time)
Singles Titles - 107 (3rd) vs 87 (5th)
Wins-Losses(%) - 900–115 (88.7%) vs 858–156 (84.6%)
Weeks at #1 - 377 (1st) vs 319 (3rd)

Winning % is a missing factor

You could win plenty AND play a lot of matches

You could win plenty while playing less matches

Also missing is quality of opposition

At the end of the day, what you’re playing you’re attempting is impossible.

Everyone will have their opinion. People in tennis, former tennis greats, media, etc babe all made their opinion known.

This is just another attempt by you to shape opinion…..no matter how cleverly you might think to present it.

Serena is the GOAT in womens tennis. That’s my opinion. I’m comfortable thst it’s an opinion shared by Chris Evert, John McEnroe, Roger Federer, etc is good enough for me.

link StumpCam Joined: Jan 1, 2004
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9/16/23, 7:58:31 PM 
List of Players who have won GS Titles that Graf and Serena have defeated !

Graf: 15 total
Navratilova, 1987 FO, 1988,89 W, 1989 US = 4
Chris Evert, 1988 AO = 1
Arantxa Sanchez 1994 AO, 1995,96 FO,1995,96 W = 5
Monica Seles 1992 W, 1995,96 US, = 3
Martina Hingis 1999 FO = 1
Gabriela Sabatini1991 W = 1

Serena: 18 Total
Martina Hingis, 1999 US = 1
Venus Williams, 2002 US; 2002,03,09 W; 2002 FO; 2003,17 AO = 7
Lindsay Davenport 2005 AO = 1
Justine Henin 2010 AO = 1
Sharapova 2007,15 AO; 2013 FO = 3
Azarenka 2012,13 US = 2
Muguruza 2015 W = 1
Angelique Kerber 2016 W = 1
Wozniaki 2013 US = 1

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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9/17/23, 3:06:09 AM 
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No it is not.

But good try.

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