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From 2004?

In reply to Barry

Viv retired almost 30 years ago and Jumpy still starting threads about them.
I just google and saw numerous videos and topics, so I would say, there was dislike by the parties.
I do hope another youngster will not have the same treatment by any senior West Indies player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaRagyjCcyI

In reply to openning

That is how you study history?

In reply to openning

Homie my thread was about Viv fawning over Indian batsmen in a way he’s never done for batsmen from the WI after him. Lara is one person. Two of the last 5 batsmen in WI cricket to finish with averages over 40 debuted long after Lara and Chanderpaul. Gayle and Sarwan debuted in the year 2000. They have had multiple all time performances during their careers. Sarwan scored 600+ runs in the Wisden series we won in 2009, the first time we’d won the trophy in 11 years. Chris Gayle as captain scored 4 centuries versus both England and Australia in that calendar year. Where was Viv praising them? The only thing I could find on Gayle and Viv in 2009 was Viv repudiation of Gayle for his comments on test cricket, seemingly ignoring that the test series( which was not on the FTP) had affected gayle’s earnings for that year by denying him the chance(and a few others) the opportunity of full participation in the IPL

In reply to Jumpstart

This isn’t the first time you have posted anti Viv threads

Like I said after bajans or Bim, Viv is next in line for your vitriol, yuh Tit twat

In reply to sudden

And your point is?

In reply to velo

Yawn, Barbie man, bend, probe, since 2004, long gone…

In reply to openning

Lara going after these former players like holding and now richards about their bad behaviour .when he going to be upfront on his own and im no fan of richards the man only the player didn't carlisle best believe viv had something to do with his abrupt career in the west indies.

In reply to Barry
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In reply to velo

What bad behavior…..the womanizing? Which cricketer/sportsman does not do that. At least Lara was honest enough not to get married. The moodiness, all geniuses have been moody, with Viv the most moody of them all in cricket. Charles Mingus used to punch and beat up musicians who weren’t good enough to play his compositions. The nearly aborted tour of SA. Lara apologized to the South African people and the Proteas for the debacle. Most people outside of the puny borders of the West Indies have a sympathetic view of that tour because there have been 3 or four pay disputes since and each has weakened the WI team until we have the mediocrity we have now

In reply to velo

2004 bow wow….

In reply to openning

Yuh have Rudder’s original from di 80s.
The decline started in the 80s and while Viv was cappo and then Richie, Lara et al, it was not their fault.
I was writing about the Crisis in West Indies cricket in the 1980s. Neo-liberal cricket meant the death of our cricket.
If everything is for profit and the marketers are more important than the cricket, there goes a model built on volunteers and love of the sport.
Forget the personalities and deal with the systemic issues.

In reply to Jumpstart
Like the rest of us our greats are just like us - human beings with flaws.
I inherited an office from a professor who kept his professional secrets to himself because he was afraid young bright students would run away with his profit making set up.
He took them to the grave when he died. Not one of our cricketers had more women than that man.

I don't think that you hate a youngster driving you around if you tell him "no, it's not your time yet but when it comes grab it with both hands" When you're losing it is easier to see both flaws as well as scapegoats. It seems to me that both Cozier and Viv had issues with some aspects of Lara's leadership. To say both never praised his batting genius and even his captaincy at least once is disingenuous.

In reply to Brerzerk

So times it’s hard to distinguish malfeasance from systemic neglect and destruction—- there was malfeasance in Viv and Tony but also systemic decay- like Trudeau and Canada…

Brian Lara should never have captained WI. A great batsman he was a leader he never was

Ripeness is the first sign of decay

In reply to sudden

Homie Brian Lara has the best results of any captain since our official fall in 1995. An ICC trophy, a drawn series versus the then #1 side,test series wins against England and Sri Lanka. Lara may not have been the best captain, in fact I said on multiple occasions that Chris Gayle was our best test captain since Clive. Unfortunately he was not given the time Clive was given. But who would you have put, Walsh was not a good test captain, Chanderpaul was never captain material and Carl Hooper averaged 36.

In reply to sudden

He captained successfully in the colonial school and youth structure because there are clear rules and feedback… Ritchie and some Antiguans introduced malfeasant darkness that stuck to the institutional walls like hard sh!t… Wes Hall alluded to such….

In reply to openning