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Jumpstart
2023-11-27 17:01:41
Ian Chappell on WI cricket blunders
One thing I'd say is you have to query the decision of the West Indies selectors to give Jason Holder the captaincy," Chappell told ESPN Cricinfo.
"Here's a guy who's trying to learn his cricket. He's a good young cricketer but to burden him with that job was, in my opinion, ridiculous in the first place.
"When you see him captain and understand that he just hasn't played enough cricket to really work out what's going on, it's a monumental blunder in my book.
"It's a situation - and I wouldn't agree with this too often, I believe you pick the XI and then you've got to pick the best guy out of that XI to captain the side.
Holder Captaincy a monumental mistake
SnoopDog
2023-11-27 17:18:22
In reply to Jumpstart
I believe you pick the XI and then you've got to pick the best guy out of that XI to captain the side.
To be fair to Holder he could legitimately make the side on merit unlike that Claptain extraordinaire, Scammy.
Even with the Mooks that free loader couldn't make the side on merit. Poor Mooks were playing with 10 men for donkey years until someone told Claptain to retire already.
Jumpstart
2023-11-27 17:28:00
In reply to SnoopDog
you have a point there. but even pior to his appointment in 2015, holder wasn't a regular. his first regular series was in 2014 versus NZ. then the india fiasco appened, and he was appointed odi captain. holder was not a regular on the odi team. and he got slaughtered. remember what ab and guptll did to him
SnoopDog
2023-11-27 17:32:40
In reply to Jumpstart
Holder was, and still is, a legit all-rounder.
Even if I accept your argument that he was not a regular on the ODI team at that time, whenever he was selected it was on merit. Unlike Claptain, for instance.
imusic
2023-11-27 18:33:34
Holder was appointed WI captain in the wake of the abandoned India tour.
The Board needed a “company” man who they could 1) Trust, and 2) Manipulate.
In post India tour meetings, it was reported that Holder was one of those who impressed the board. They found their man.
So they made him skipper across all 3 formats. But to ensure he didn’t receive even the hint of backlash from senior players, they dropped all the “troublemakers” and most of the senior players to give Holder a team he could manage.
Remember, his first series was the ICC World Cup. They dropped Bravo, Pollard, and Rampaul.
Once World Cup was done, Gayle and Samuels were also dropped giving Holder “his team”.
It’s no coincidence that Holder and then CWI President Cameron were extremely close.
Jumpstart
2023-11-27 18:36:26
In reply to imusic
and the corresponding results were extremely terrible. remember they had to beg gayle and samuels to play in the qualifiers in 2018, samuels with an injured back.
They brought back denesh, pollard, lil bravo, sunil and gabriel for the 2016 tri series following the world cup. Pollard scored a half century to chase down a small target that the team had mucked up in the first game after sunil had run through SA. Bravo scored a hundred versus SA, denesh scored 90 sumthin versus Australia in a gamewhere Marlon scored a hundred. Gabriel ran through SA's top order to take us to the final versus australia where we lost
Barry
2023-11-27 20:28:21
In reply to Jumpstart
I know where the president stands and he is poison like the ugly one….
tc1
2023-11-27 20:50:16
In reply to imusic
Who was closer to Cameron Holder or Big B?
you have a selected memory, Cameron made big Bravo captain, for TnT to nominate him to be president of the CWI and took him to yard and made him an honorary member of his club in yard.
As great as big Bravo was , Holder test record is on par with his, and has posted a similar record in OD to the great Pollard.
imusic
2023-11-27 21:08:07
In reply to tc1
As great as big Bravo was , Holder test record is on par with his, and has posted a similar record in OD to the great Pollard.
For mos a Allyuh on here, Bravo is a show pony and mediocre cricketer and Pollard wasn’t a cricketer at all. Now you comparing Holder to them 2?
According to Allyuh, Holder mus be a real shithound in truth.
As for who was closer to Cameron between Bravo and Holder…..no comparison.
Bravo didn’t shed tears and publicly cow bawl when Dave was defeated and he certainly wasn’t golfing buddies with Dave as Holder is.
Holder declined selection against Bangladesh so he could spend more time with Cameron
.
tc1
2023-11-27 22:04:57
In reply to imusic
You making up stories, I wish Holder sue you.
In fact only a show pony would do those things
you describe in public.
Jumpstart
2023-11-27 22:40:48
In reply to tc1
Homie it is a fact that Holder was not an automatic place in either side. In fact after his first match at Perth in 2013 January, both Ian Healy and Mark Waugh said he needed a yard of pace, something he never worked on, which is what has limited his effectiveness on NZ and Aussie wickets.
Another fact is that holder did not get the captaincy because he was the best player in the team or that he was groomed for the position. He got it because Clive lloyd(under the president Dave cameron) got rid of Bravo and Pollard, and Gayle and Samuels soon after the World Cup 2015. It can also be argued that results declined significantly under Holder. The two positive results he obtained, reaching the 2016 Tri series final with Australia and South Africa and drawing the England series in 2019 was on the backs of old players. In the case of the 2016 tri series, it was Samuels and Darren Bravo, who both scored centuries versus Australia and South Africa respectively, Denesh Ramdin and Pollard, Sunil Narine and Shannon Gabriel. In the case of the 2019 series versus England, it was Chris Gayle, Cottrell and Hetmeyer. Those are the only positive results Holder obtained as an ODI captain.
TanteMerle
2023-11-27 23:57:55
Wasn't Clive Lloyd the person who first selected Holder as captain.
How is it that you jokers now saying the Cameron selected him.
I must be missing something.
Stupidity seem to be catching on here,
One idiot post some nonsense and other idiots follow.
Always the usual suspects.
Jumpstart
2023-11-28 00:03:41
In reply to TanteMerle
you are riight. that the india fiasco happened and pollard and bravo were exiled is totally coincidental. You see why journalists are important, PAPA DAVE on the mic
The team we have selected has a very good mix of experience, youth and a lot of talent. One would remember that the team four years ago didn't do very well in the World Cup and we are ranked No 8 today, so the selectors have decided they want to put some youth and build for the future and I think it is a very good balance," Cameron said."That's a discussion one could have, whether you build for the future or try to win. We're ranked No 8 today, so realistically if you look at the numbers, we should come No 8, so one has to be very careful," Cameron concluded.
Nah bravo and pollard were dropped for cricketing reasons
TanteMerle
2023-11-28 00:16:53
In reply to Jumpstart
I see you edited your post to include Lloyd.
Glad I can help bring about a bit of sense to your nonsense post
I see your edit saying Lloyd under the influence of Cameron.
Nice. 
tc1
2023-11-28 00:43:29
In reply to TanteMerle
Jumpfart aka notDino is prone to posting alternate facts, you cannot take any of his postings as facts.
Jumpstart
2023-11-28 01:31:55
In reply to tc1
hoss....i realize you is the epitome of small island ignorance inno.
In Dave's own words
The team we have selected has a very good mix of experience, youth and a lot of talent. One would remember that the team four years ago didn't do very well in the World Cup and we are ranked No 8 today, so the selectors have decided they want to put some youth and build for the future and I think it is a very good balance," Cameron said."That's a discussion one could have, whether you build for the future or try to win. We're ranked No 8 today, so realistically if you look at the numbers, we should come No 8, so one has to be very careful," Cameron concluded.
who is WE?
Courtesy
2023-11-28 01:33:56
