He was compared to the likes of Williamson, root, Kohli and smith.
Look at where he is now, vis-à-vis the others, who all of 29-30 test hundreds and all except Kohli average well over 50.
An unfit Williamson was taken to the world cup k. The hope that he would be fit at some stage. Has scored 4 hundreds in his last 4 tests
Kohli scored the most runs ever in a World Cup
Smith lifted the World Cup
Root is closing in on 12,000 test runs
Bravo struggling to average 30 in ODIs and 36-37 in tests (whatever his average is), has barely scored any runs, has taken questionable off field decisions, and is begging to play, and sulking when not picked.
No matter how much his fans cry over him not getting picked, if and when bravo does hang up his boots, he would have more regrets than any over what might have been had he stayed focused.
For now he can only ponder over his life’s choices while he is on his ‘break’
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When Darren bravo started his career
In reply to brians_da_best
Have you ever seen the boards of kohli, smith and williamson fighting with their own players? Smith was the closest when CA wanted to cut the Aussie players salaries to fund womens and grade cricket before the 2016 home ashes and the aussie team threatened not to play. CA realizing that the players are the cricket backed off
Bravo has had lots of issues, many of his own making but the question has always been whether he got proper support from CWI and even his regional board to get him through them. He was compared to the Fab 4 at the beginning of his career but that is why one generally only gets a Fab 4, it is not an easy pinnacle to reach.
In reply to brians_da_best
Who compared him? Any West Indian in any recent years has been any good?
It seems to come naturally to the Trinidadian and is almost in the blood too. Lara's mother and Darren's mother are first cousins. Imitations often tend to lose their charm after a while. It is usually the first sight that draws attention and it seemed to be the same with Darren too for a while, as he failed to impress in his initial outings in International cricket. He managed just one fifty (against Canada) in his first 12 ODI appearances and looked to be an unfinished product. He got a chance in Tests more than a year and half after his ODI debut against India in 2009. The longer format seemed to be to the youngster's liking and he made a good start against Sri Lanka with fifties in his first two Test innings.
Four more fifties followed in his next seven Tests, but doubts still lingered over his ability as he couldn't convert starts into a big score. It eventually came in his 10th Test, against Bangladesh in Dhaka in 2011. Bravo seemed determined to join a select few batsmen, who had managed to convert their first Test ton into a double. He came agonisingly close, but fell five short of the mark. Nevertheless, this innings seemed to clear the doubts in his mind and his critics' too about his temperament in the longest format.
His next assignment was an even tougher one. India is one of the toughest places to tour, but Darren took an immediate liking to the challenge in front of him and ended up as the highest-scorer on either side in the three-match series. He also managed to do what his idol, Lara, had failed to do - score a Test ton in India. Darren had two at the end of his first tour of India. He joined Jimmy Adams as the only two West Indian batsmen to aggregate more than 400 runs in a three-match series against India. Adding to the already growing comparison with Lara, Bravo had the exact number of runs as Lara had after his first 12 Tests.
Why are fans purposely lying?
the dottie lie
In reply to Jumpstart
You can blame the board all you want, but players who have a single minded focus for greatness thrive no matter what the external factors are.
Look at Pakistan, an equally inept board. And then look at Babar Azam's numbers.
Go back a decade. And we had lara and chanderpaul. Sri Lanka had sangakkara etc.
All these players you could argue thrived with limited support from their boards.
That can't be used as an excuse for bravos sorry and mediocre career
And just because others in the West Indian set up have been poor as well, doesnt justify a sorry career
In reply to brians_da_best
Go back a decade. And we had lara and chanderpaul. Sri Lanka had sangakkara etc.
All these players you could argue thrived with limited support from their boards.
Some families in Trinidad and some white hair women here I am told had to come to help Brian ....these are hard arid lands with scorpions like yourself
In reply to brians_da_best
That can't be used as an excuse for bravos sorry and mediocre career
His career was fine until the Board intervene. It could not happen in India ....
In reply to Barry
So poor bravo, no one in Trinidad came to help him?
Hope you do realise you're victimising bravo and blaming everyone except the man himself.
I repeat, the day bravo hangs his boots, he will have massive regrets on what he could have achieved had he stayed focussed.
A modern vinod kambli is what he'll end up being, only kambli retired with an average of over 50.
In reply to brians_da_best
You do know that kambli was a victim of the Brahmins..
Are Bajans upper caste
In reply to brians_da_best
Dotties are also untouchables for Bajans?
but like uncle toms some like you want to drag others down ....
In reply to Barry
Man you have seriously lost it.
If you want to keep playing the victim card for bravo, then carry on.
The reality is, had he wanted he could have been hugely successful. He threw it away. And in his retirement, he will always bear the burden of what he might have had had he stayed focussed.
You could have argued bravo is victimized had he been averaging 50 or at least 45 in tests, and 45 or 40 in ODIs.
His numbers are average or below average, and in other teams, he would have been dropped long back
Can't change history
In April 2019, Bravo was named in the West Indies' squad for the 2019 Cricket World Cup.[44][45] He was offered a recall to the Test side for the two match series against England in 2020, but declined the offer to play in a country with high rates of coronavirus with players having to live for weeks in a secure bubble.[
In reply to brians_da_best
babar has support. Abdullah Shafique averages over 50, imam ul haq averages the same as bravo currently, Sarfaraz Ahmed, the wk averages 38, which is more than any WI WK. Its not a team where the captain averages under 35, ad the rest of the team averages under 30
In reply to Jumpstart
But that doesn’t justify his awfully poor numbers. I could make a similar case for anyone else in the top 6 by saying that bravo and the other 5 had piss poor numbers and hence the guy couldn’t succeed
The reality is, bravo has played over 100 ODIs, and a large number of tests, and his returns over the entire period are average or below average.
Had he wanted, he could have stood out over the others, much like Lara for most of his career and Shiv in the post Lara era.
In reply to brians_da_best
hoss.....do you even watch cricket outside of wanderers vs pickwick? of course that affects a batsman. Firstly, not everyone, is Brian Lara or george headley. you put viv with batsmen who average under 35 and he himself probably averages under 40. Angelo Matthews used to average over 50 until sanga and mahela retired and the runs became virtually his responsibility to score. Angelo now averages 45. And the SL batting lineup is nowhere near as poor as the WI's
In reply to brians_da_best
DB avg. does not justified his talent... He is a good batsman but unfortunately people will look at stats and not the cricketer he is.
In reply to Cricket_101
Precisely.
He threw it away
Chanderpaul average when he batted with Lara, and in the post Lara era?
In reply to PalsofMine
Who decided to compare him? WI fans and all commies looked at a few Lara-like cover drives and started slathering.
During that time TNT's board and CWI never noticed and sought to correct Bravo's vulnerability to the short ball nor
the almost non-existent onside strokes expecially off his pads. Yes, he looked good and could produce but with nuff
improvements possible. When Kohli 1st came to the WI he couldn't handle Fidel's short-pitched bowling (maybe still not the best at it even now)
but at least he was supported in his development.
CWI did nothing to help Bravo's development
CWI did much to worsen Bravo as a player and person
Yet, the 1st things we see are Bravo's 'shortcomings'
None of which we'd see if CWI hadn't 1st done him harm.
Cameron's Lies, Sammy's immature, inept, leadership of men better than himself.
What Cappo tries to harm his charge physically regardless of that charge's 'error?'
Those who cuss/ridicule Bravo while laud Sammy flinging a ball at him should be
ashamed of themselves.
In reply to Brerzerk
In your list of everyone to blame for bravos mediocrity, you forgot his neighbours dog who used to bark all night so poor bravo couldn’t get to sleep properly, affecting his performance the next morning
In reply to brians_da_best
chanderpaul was averaging 38 up to 2001. Lara was there from 2001 to 2006 and never averaged below 50 in any of those years. Also, after lara retired, Sarwan and gayle had their best years as test cricketers. Sarwan's average for 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2011 are : 72.92, 49.63, 58.18 and 35.32 respectively. Gayle's avg by year for the same period: 79.15, 59.18, 67.67, 70.09. in 2012 he averages over 75. Conversely, kraigg brathwaite has never had a year in test cricket where he averaged over 50. Shai hope has never had a year in test cricket where he averaged more than 50 and has only scored centuries in one match. And worse yet, they put him, a dude who cannot play short pitched bowling, at #3, which is virtually puttng the side at 1 for 2 or 3 for 2.its clearly not the same
In reply to Brerzerk
Dislike should never cloud objectivity. Speak to the points if you dare!
Note I said he was never a finished product i.e. had little or no onside game.
Should he work on his own to fix that or coaches should've seen and addressed it?
Are both culpable there or only Bravo? I dare you to show a modicum of objectivity
In reply to Brerzerk
An excellent response. KP is the most irritating cricketer i've ever watched and possibly a racist.....but undeniably he was also a genius
In reply to Brerzerk
Glad you’re replying to yourself. Shows your mental balance 
In reply to brians_da_best
Attack di messinga, gwaan wid it.When 'lieyar' nuh hav' nuh case 'im poung di deks 
Maan mek a wut-while contribution to yuh owna post nuh.
In reply to brians_da_best
Let me add...
NO CAPTAIN has EVER had it easy with ANY BOARD of DIRECTORS in our neck of the woods...including the SUCCESSFUL ones.
a little awareness of our entire history helps.
This IN FORM version of Bravo unfortunately is getting squeezed but frankly and bluntly put...Bravo played his part too in tightening the clamps.
When people are enslaved they learn to accept injustice ...they say "ah well"
In reply to Jumpstart
You miss the point completely
Sarwan and Gayles appearances became more and more sporadic. Chanderpaul was virtually single handedly shoring up the batting.
Remember England 2007, when Sarwan missed the whole series and no one could get Chanderpaul out
Chanderpaul has had similar patches in his career
The truly great players hold their end of the batting single handedly, if needed/ they don’t run behind excuses that no one else was performing
Also, if bravo was t performing, you could argue that’s the reason why Powell didn’t do well because bravo wasn’t there to support him? Or that’s the reason Brathwaite didn’t score more runs?
The reality is, bravo has no one but himself to blame for his mediocrity
In reply to brians_da_best
It can't be clearer than that
In reply to brians_da_best
Remember England 2007, when Sarwan missed the whole series and no one could get Chanderpaul out
i realize you're allergic to or cannot comprehend numbers larger than 10. Firstly, it helps when you only come in at #5. In all of those games, chanderpaul had support. the game where we nearly chased down 396, runako morton, a rookie batsman who batted before chanderpaul because he couldn't take responsibility and move up the order, scoed 54, dwayne bravo scored 49, denesh ramdin scored 34, sammy scored 25. i the first test where chanderpaul scored 79, gayle scored 40, ganga scored 49, dwayne bravo scored 54, denesh ramdin scored 60, not to mention the 3 tailenders scored 58 runs between them. Even in his one man effort in the 4th test of that series, when he scored a century in the first innings, dwayne bravo scored 44, in the second innings, where he scored 70, dwayne bravo scored 43 and chris gayle scored a half century. And wi would have been better served if the most senior batsman in that lineup had taken responsibility and moved up the order. So that stuff you're talking is absolute hogwash, not supported by stats.
Going back to my argument. You are right about one thing. Gayle's appearances became sporadic between the end of 2010 and the summer of 2012, and Sarwan's career was ended prematurely in 2011. Thanks to courtesy's mates and the ugly man who was coach. What you neglect to say is that Marlon Nathaniel Samuels returned and averaged 53 in 2011, and 52 in 2012.
So as i said, darren bravo and shiv chanderpaul play under totally different circumstances.
In reply to Jumpstart
Oh so now Shivs performances can be discounted because he batted at 5 and 6
While bravos performances can be justified because he batted at 3 and 4.
You all too funny.
As I said somewhere else, another reason to celebrate bravos mediocrity would be the neighbours dog who barked all night and didn’t let poor bravo sleep
Or even elder brother who jammed all night.
Anyone but poor little bravo
In reply to Jumpstart
And the stats clearly say that Shiv is one of our greatest batsmen.
Darren bravo is well, a mediocre or below mediocre has been
In reply to Besar
Explain it to his clown
In reply to brians_da_best
While bravos performances can be justified because he batted at 3 and 4.
good god you doh realize it have a difference between batting at 5 and 6 and 3 and 4 when the openers regularly are gone before 20 runs are on the board.....jeez
In reply to Jumpstart
You’re just stupid, even more stupid than i thought. But yeah carry on.
In reply to brians_da_best
the stats are stupid too
In reply to Jumpstart
Listen Bro.
Darren Bravo will eventually join the ranks of players who had moderate successes but devastating failures as an international cricketer.
All this bitching and whining over him is so stupid and over the top.
Can y'all just stop it now?
In reply to brians_da_best
Oh so now Shivs performances can be discounted because he batted at 5 and 6
are you a complete illiterate in addition to hating numbers? where did i question chanfderpaul's runs at 5 and 6? In the context of the match, context of the series,. Shiv as the most senior batsman in the team should have moved up. And I am not the only person with this opinion
Asked why Chanderpaul was batting so low, Lara told The Daily Telegraph: "It beats me. It is something that I've not talked in public about but I would want to know why."
In reply to Jumpstart
Actually let’s not even mention Shiv and bravo in the same sentence.
One of an all time great, an ICC hall of famer.
The other is an epitome of mediocrity begging to get picked and sulking when he isn’t. Oh and he’s on a break at 34
In reply to brians_da_best
You saying that doesn’t make it so….
Darren Bravo has an almost identical Block Mean value as Greig, and his block runs of 372, 403, 564, 310, 362, 377, 292, 349 and 371 (nine innings) has secured an almost similar Consistency Index value of 93.3%. However, Bravo's is a currently running career, and as and when he returns, the figures will change.
In reply to brians_da_best
mediocre is every bajan batsman since dessie
In reply to Jumpstart
And every Trini since Brian Lara?
Actually every West Indian since Lara and Shiv. Fact.
In reply to brians_da_best
hoss.....trinidad players for the most part don't have to rely on charity dinners from old men in florida or bermuda to get by. Thanks to the performances of tt in the CLT20, most of our players were able to make a living outside of WI cricket. Even rayad emrit, who never made an appearance in the ipl, probably made more than the average player relying on wi cricket's subventions. At least the people that matter thought we were good
In reply to Jumpstart
Ok
In reply to brians_da_best
carter still coaching the kiddies. because then that just equals another generation of barbados players gone. like how ezra mosely had 6'5 and 6'7 men bowling at 2mph. i don't know how that worked out because mosely was a very good bowler.
In reply to Jumpstart
How tall is Pollard? I guess that he is 5'-5"
In reply to tc1
pollard isn't paid to bowl.
In reply to Jumpstart
What has pollaed been paid for while playing for West Indies ?
Averages 26 in ODIs so clearly isn’t paid to bat. Hasn’t played a test and averages 25 in T20s
In reply to brians_da_best
Clearly was discouraged by the vindictiveness and general disorganization of CWI
In reply to Jumpstart
And his neighbours cat I presume?
In reply to brians_da_best
How Pollard come into this, b!tch? Leave the man in peace
In reply to Barry
Your friend brought him in. I didn’t/ this thread is about the below mediocre Darren bravo
In reply to brians_da_best
No you did. I brought in Ezra mosely’s two slowpokes……holder and RTN. 6’5 and 6’7 bowling at 2mph. You brought in pollard asking how fast does he bowl
In reply to brians_da_best
Are you addicted to lying?
In reply to Jumpstart
does your response make sense to you, how tall is Pollard was the question.
In reply to tc1
Pollard is not picked for his bowling
In reply to Jumpstart
Nor his batting either.
In reply to tc1
What is this, sh!t Pollard up day ... while we have that epitome of diarrhea Roston Chase in the team? What about that stinking pelter, Reefer-alleged allrounder of mediocrity ....
In reply to Barry
You have the biggest rock stone pelter in the history of WI cricket, the man now hides the rock behind his back as he approaches the crease to target the batman.
In reply to tc1
biggest, most sought after, most patriotic and highest ranked
In reply to tc1
I agree. Mumbai bought Pollard for over a million dollars on the warmth and strength of his personality……and for also beating tino with his own shoe
In reply to Jumpstart
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Not batting nor bowling,
how many times you are going to mention the shoe nonsense, Pollard only have mouth for Caribbean players.
In reply to PalsofMine
In reply to Jumpstart
Did I? Go back and read the thread
You really are delusional
In reply to brians_da_best
Let's be honest, he topped the run charts in the Super50, had a good PCL campaign and he's still been overlooked.
If it happened to you, you would be well within your right to be pissed off too.
Until when will you keep recycling failures? He has proven over a long period that he is a failure at the international level, so time to try younger players with whom the upside is more. Don’t you think so?
In reply to brians_da_best
Morning slanderer….Athanaze and Carty are recyclable failures….
In reply to Barry
They haven’t played enough to make a judgement.
Darren bravo is a huge failure as his ODI record will suggest. No point recycling him
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