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Congrats to Coach Sammy.

With him as the coach we no longer have to play 10 vs 11

In reply to powen001

Is he certified?

Over the last 3 decades how many pleasurable moments at the beginning of a series have we seen
then later anguish .

Is it not wise to wait till the series has ended before offering such words?

In reply to sgtdjones

My language has no errors in it sah.

In reply to jacksprat

LOL...you have asked for no quarter ever when it comes to Sammy...and you most definitely offer none.


Sammy has overachieved...and continues to etch his name in the history pages for the West Indies.


just the facts Jacksprat...just the facts

In reply to powen001

Sammy win?

In reply to Yadi

Yes please.

but that is besides the point.

He spoke rather well post match...and shared what they discussed behind the scenes and what his hopes are for the team altogether.

Ted Lasso lives

Sammy is the biggest arse kisser in West Indian cricket.

He is skilled at playing to the camera.
He was lucky he had determined players that played in the WC he won.
They didn't win owing to Sammy
They won owing to the hatred for CWI management.

Eric Willaims once said he could put a frog in Laventille and win the seat in an election.
The same can be applied in replacement of Sammy

Sammy knows how to play towards what CWI is looking for.
Lets see what happens after this series...
Interesting days lie ahead.

In reply to powen001

I didn't say you did, I asked questions?

It matters not ....Sammy and you are the perfect fence sitters
This way one can play both sides.
Its the way to in time to get burnt...
We shall see ...

In reply to powen001

No surprise there. Sammy is very articulate and always seem to give great interviews.

My issue with him is that, when his homeboys are in positions of influence, he always seem to get unearned positions on a platter- whether as West Indies captain and now, as West Indies coach, for which he lacked the requisite certification that was advertised as a criterion for the position.

In reply to sgtdjones

One of the reasons CWI will never care (except for they don't have to) is our love for instant gratification with no eye on long term success.
Today for instance some of the same ones who used to cite Sammy's lack of penetration and say his econ rate wasn't helping because he only
played batsmen in were using the opposite argument to say Oshane was the best bowler.
Has CWI studied why Rampaul, Bravo, Russell were effective ODI bowlers? The may have gone for runs but took wkts in clusters and either bowl out
the opposition but put them on the back foot to rebuild. We need to find one or two fast-men like that. Men who will have nuff 4fers and a few five-fers.

In reply to jacksprat According to you he gets unearned positions whenever his homeboys are in positions of influence but if that is the case those decisions have led to two World Cup titles, a top ranking in T20IS, top 5 in Tests and ODIS. So what is the issue here really?

The Man is a Winner! Has he not proven that beyond a doubt already? I am pretty sure he will lead this team back to top ranking in both white ball formats. Just give him in time.

In reply to powen001

Without a certificate…

A certified donkey….

In reply to voiceofreason

Stop the nonsense!!! a=b and b=c doesn’t mean a=c. When it rains my yard is wet, my yard is wet because it rained…err nooo! I watered it. WI won 2 Lickit cups in spite of Sammy’s very minimal contributions

In reply to sgtdjones

You saying Scammy has G.O.A.T status in the arse kisser category?

Some posit Powen is Scammy's biggest arse kisser and Sudden/ overthrow/wifan is courtesy's number one arse licker

In reply to Yadi

When WI loses will Sammy lose?

In reply to jacksprat

Still hating after all these years.

You don't realise the more you hate is the more Sammy achieves? Maybe your hate is actually helping him.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Winning one match is achieving after failing to qualify? That is like saying that Burnham was a good man .................................Aw...

In reply to Brerzerk

Well he has to crawl before he can walk, before he would not take wickets and go for nuff... the wickets will now come with his new found control.

In reply to Verstehen

No.

As it was also with the Mooks. When the Mooks (rarely) won - Scammy won. When the Mooks (frequently) lost - it was the Mooks' loss.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Sad eh? Also sadly predictable.

Clearly people eh care about shifting mindsets based on learning and growth.

Like it or lump it...leadership matters. Its hard to accept for some folks...but it doesn't change what has been thoroughly researched.

The ability of a leader (coach, captain, untitled) to build a team culture also rests on giving the appropriate time. In the national team context it is much more critical ...but in franchise cricket due to the brevity and the fact that the teams have a bunch of hurriedly put together professionals ..it is totally different.

At some point the EVIDENCE gotta smack in you in the face despite all the perspectives about personal contribution with bat and ball. Even so...Sammy 's personal contribution with bat and ball was pretty poor in the 2nd world cup win..but he was able to construct a win because he understands people IMO.

In the first win ...he put his hand up BIGLY, personal performance-wise in the final of all games.

In reply to Larr Pullo

What "achievement"? 8 runs and 1 wicket for an entire World Cup tournament for a putative "allrounder"?

Anybody can ride on other's coattails.

Thank God Marlon Samuels, Sunil Narine, Chris Gayle and Brathwaite were there to do the heavy lifting with their actual performance on the field and did not just sit on their backsides in the pavilion indulge in mindless clapping!

Your obsession with the Great Brian Lara was indeed hate-in spite of Lara virtually carrying West Indies cricket on his broad shoulder for the better part of 2 decades. Lara The Great was no mere passenger and earned whatever accolades he got by dint of his own performance, unlike this fella. I am merely stating the fact and will continue to state it without apology, and, unlike you, when you reportedly got a chance to face Lara face to face you allegedly meekly folded your tail between your legs!

I will forever stand my ground without fear!

In reply to Cheeks

Scammy captained the Mooks for 6 of the 7 years he played for that franchise.

In 2017, the team played 10 matches - lost 9, 1 no result, and 0 wins.

Y'all love mediocrity.

In reply to jacksprat

You mean a team did team things and won? Why you so chupitee? Drop the hate...it will kill you...

In reply to Larr Pullo

IDIOT!!

Dave Cameron, the erstwhile president was the common denominator and achieved even more during that era- those 2 World Cups PLUS the Under 19 World Cup AND the Women' s World Cup while scoring only 8 fewer runs and taking 1 fewer wicket while ensconced in his hotel suite.

Are you willing to credit Cameron for all those successes a la Sammy? He was just as useless!

In reply to jacksprat

Ok, Cameron deserves his flowers too as does Sammy. Now move on before you give yourself a twisted colon.

In reply to jacksprat

To be fair, Scammy was a better clapper.

In reply to SnoopDog

To Be Honest, He Might Yet Prove To Be A Great Coach. Wasn't It George Bernard Shaw Who Said:

"Those Who Can, Do; Those Who Can't, Teach [Coach] It" ?

At Least Now He Can Legitimately Remain In The Safety Of The Pavilion And Clap to His Heart's Content.

Thankfully, We Now Have 11 real Cricketers Taking The Field - No More playing 10 Versus 11!!

In reply to jacksprat

The Mooks might very well take umbrage with this view.

"Sammy plant piece a corn dong a gully
And it bear and it bear till it kill em
Sammy dead Sammy dead Sammy dead oh"

Was the England team a B team,it looks like it..

In reply to Brerzerk

What did they win after removing Sammy's minimal contributions and replacing with more substantial contributions?

Very much like Burnham-envy ....

In reply to Baje

Any answers forthcoming from the Trini faction and the Fugly Jamaican?

Cant win an argument becomes abusive like Burnham and how he ...

The hatred force is strong.
Evidence be damned.

In reply to Cheeks

Correct.

We hate mediocrity. And the evidence is overwhelming that Scammy was talent less and mediocre cricketer who's career is defined by rank nepotism and riding the coat tails of others.

In reply to SnoopDog

You sound more like the lover of mediocrity to me. You prefer to lose with your own definition of what leadership looks like than to win with a version that you refuse to open your eyes to. Knock yourself out bruh.

The evidence says ..drought before Sammy....heydey-like success (from a world cup perspective anyway) during Sammy ...drought after Sammy ...and the future with Sammy again is to be written..but the early signs point to more heartache fuh di haytazzz. This ish is like politics...Trumplicans ignore all the evidence in spite of it smacking them in the face.

In reply to jacksprat

I see no lies here if you dont move beyond the surface

I would however posit...that his character plays a big role in getting those in authority to trust him.

I also will remind you that it was the same 2016 World cup where he supported the players against the Admin- to wit...Dave Cameron specifically.

ah lie?

In reply to Cheeks

NOT A MAN MOVE

This is all I m saying...

some will not ever accept that more than all the on field skills they want to poo poo ( even to forget his debut 7 fer mind you) they will not budge in giving Sammy his EARNED Street Cred.

A certified churchgoing donkey…

In reply to Baje
What did they win after removing Sammy's minimal contributions and replacing with more substantial contributions?

I saw Athanaze play a cover drive and all the fielders just stood still and watched.

Jocksprat, Poopdog and the rest of the Haters will now retreat to their caves!

In reply to jacksprat
Sammy publicly criticized Cameron for failing to provide proper support before the last world cup win. He said they won in spite of him and his administration.

A few thoughts:

1. As much as you don't like it...organizational culture, read team culture matters and it is largely driven by leadership both formal and informal. Whoever is in charge will want leadership that aligns with their strategic view of where the team needs to be. The naive and almost childish moaning and groaning about homeboyism is nonsense.

2. The world of work including pro sport is changing before our very eyes...you can adapt or perish. Being mired in the perspective of how you think a sports team should look with all of the variables and both internal and external changes around you without concern of the human performance and overall team performance just demonstrates that you have no desire or perhaps ability to adapt and adjust your views rationally.

3. Everybody wants this 100% quantitative approach to the cricket management, but again...that's a very naive perspective, people go with qualitative measures, judgment calls and discretion at times to make decisions. This is the real world...its not a science project under controlled conditions. Get real.

4. Finally...the question about Sammy's performance as captain or coach with the Zouks does not hold any water. Franchise teams are hurriedly put together, inconsistent collections of individuals in very temporary arrangements with mostly fully cooked professionals from various cricketing cultures. Man management is a different beast in that environment. The 'national' team which has a more consistent group of players that can gel for longer periods is different.

In reply to Cheeks

Casting pearls before swine I see...

In reply to Cheeks

Look, Sammy was able to keep that lunatic Marlon Samuels focused and performing enough to win two WC MVP's. For that he deserves the highest commendation from our Yardie faction. Instead all he gets is unremitting hate!

As for those two show Pony Bravos, the big brother shouldn't be whining about his lil baby brother not getting selected. Why would you want him selected to play on a team managed by your then captain who you(big brother Brabits) actively tried NOT to give any credit for two WC wins to?

In reply to Baje

still waiting for a response

In reply to Larr Pullo

A pity Sammy wasn't able to similarly motivate himself to contribute more than the 1 wicket and 8 runs for the entire tournament. Samuels the 2-time MVP was so dominant that West Indies was able to survive playing 10 vs 11 with the 'inspirational leader' only capable to contributing some mindless, if lusty, clapping to the team's fortune.

In reply to SnoopDog

Who was coach when Scammy captain WI to WC titles? No one remembers or cares.

Why is Scammy's chief ass licker powen and fellow ass kissers giving Scammy hasty undue credit as coach now? Shai Hope won the game not Scammy. Peeps must hope Shai remains at top of his game and his team lifts their game. England will return with guns blazing. What Scammy what!

In reply to Cuter

West Indies has won nothing since the performers like Samuels, Bravo, Narine and Gayle, et al have exited the team. There were able to contribute tangible runs and wickets that no amount of Sammy's mindless clapping would have been able to replace!

Remember that idiotic notion able a 'Star team vs a team of Stars" proffered by the bureaucrat Hillaire? History will recall that 11 willing, but talentless, yes-men like Sammy were incapable of winning anything until the stars like Gayle, Samuels,et al- that they tried to "root out of the team"- were recalled

Some of you have convenient amnesia to fit your agendas!

In reply to jacksprat

Those same "performers" as you call them won nothing before, or since. Sammy was the X factor to got them to the promised land. Twice! They even thought they could run it back under Pollard and they won ONE game in two attempts...

There is a disingenuous bit here...Mr Putative harps on Sammy's worldcup performnce or lackthereof in the 2nd win...but not the first. You know why...becaue in the final vs Sri Lanka, Sammy's allround performance was BIG part of that victory. But yet..he hails Carlos Brathwaite (deservedly so) for his heroics in the final vs England.

Badmind and hatred are the enemies of integrity and progress. QED.

In reply to Cheeks

You dare to compare Sammy’s meagre all round performance against Sri Lanka with Carlos Brathwaite’s heroics against England?

Allyuh have no shame whatsoever!!

In reply to Larr Pullo

The performer, Gayle won the 2004 Champion Cup under the Great Brian Lara(Sammy was a passenger in that squad as well!) -the same Brian Lara who you used to constantly denigate while lauding the purveyors of mediocrity like Devon Smith and Sammy- and has won multiple franchise tounaments with the Jamaica Tallawahs, et al!

Dem men seeing Larr Pullo for what he is ....

In reply to imusic

These jokers are desperate- and shameless, as you have noted-in trying to ascribe West Indies' success to Sammy's "leadership" and his clapping - while conveniently ignoring his lack of tangible contribution where it mattered: in runs and wickets!

In reply to jacksprat

The Performance artiste Gayle made 23 runs!!!! Shiv, followed by Courtney Browne with a huge assist from Ian Bradshaw gave the performing artist Gayle and Lara their ONLY major title!!!

Lara got credit because he was captain of the team. Why are you loathe to give Sammy his flowers even though he led you to TWO world title celebrations?

In the History of WI cricket, the WI has won 4 world championships under TWO captains, Clive Lloyd and Darren Sammy. Put that in your chalice and smoke it!!! Don't choke on the smoke tho....

In reply to jacksprat

Well performance for you is 23 runs ent?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Well that is still almost 3 times what Sammy contributed for an entire tournament!!

Sammy is a two time World Cup winning captain, the only titles of any note we have probably won in the last 25 years.

Instead of grudging the man, appreciate that he still wants to be involved with our cricket. He is very rich, got other businesses and commitments, in other countries , and if he wanted, he could have not bothered at all about West Indies cricket.

In reply to jacksprat

3 is how much the other World Class sprinter Wavell Hinds made. Some contribution from those World Class pack of Jokers you want to promote while denigrating Sammy.

In reply to imusic

They were both great performances. Of course Carlos' performance was better in some ways and more memorable because of the the way it came down to the wire. But your disingenuous attempt to say Sammy's performance was meagre is disappointing ..actually not...when you hate you hate without restraint I've noticed. It eh jus Sammy bro..you operate the same way with Shiv.

Facts:

Sammy made 26 not out to close off the innings. Carlos made 34 (not out also). Difference is that Windies batted first against Sri Lanka while Carlos has to hit his blows to win it.

Sammy bowled 2 over for 6 runs at 3 rpo, took 2 wickets. Carlos bowled 4 overs for 23 @ 5.75 rpo took 3 wickets.

Add to that the captaincy pressure. I'd say they are not as far apart as you disappointingly try to imply. Seemingly trying to narrow the entire game to 3 shots at the end suggests very casual, rum drinking, fete mound cricket watcher as opposed to a long time fan of the game bruh.

In reply to Larr Pullo

How did Wavell Hinds enter this discussion? Are you that desperate?

Was Hinds part of Marlon Samuels'supporting cast when Samuels embarked on his virtuoso 2-time MVP performances that propelled West Indeis to tnose 2 Men's T20 World Cup titles?

However much you try to cloud the issue, it does not change the fact that the mediocre figure-head was surplus to requirement and contributed more claps, than runs and wickets, to those two T20 titles

In reply to jacksprat

I'm still waiting for these clowns to explain the Mooks' record under Scammy's leadership in the CPL.

Six years of abject mediocrity with 2017 being the pinnacle where they played 10, lost 9, 1 no result, and 0 wins.

In reply to SnoopDog

I guess winning the toss (and clapping} doesn't count by itself?

Nor is it as transformational without real performers like Narine, Samuels and Gayle, et al, in the lineup

In reply to jacksprat

The Mooks was the perfect opportunity for Scammy to demonstrate his supposed astute elite level leadership qualities.

He had the chance to take a group of mostly ordinary players and inspire them to play above their talent levels and abilities and achieve a title.

But instead, we got repeated failures season after season and in the end Scammy barely even bothered to bowl himself or bat in the middle order. He relegated himself to specialist claptain.

In reply to jacksprat

So field placement, understanding the game situation and proper rotation of bowlers don't count?

In reply to SnoopDog

You can’t relegate what was never elevated in the first place

In reply to imusic

I see Cry Music still smarting from Bravo's omission as he probably believes that Sammy had something to do with it.

In reply to PoopDog Which one you rate more highly? World cup or CPL Title? Take time. and make that ferment.

In reply to voiceofTreason

If the World Cup title was so difficult to achieve why couldn't Claptain Scammy take the Mooks to just one lowly CPL title after 6 seasons of leading them?

In reply to Cuter

How did all of that work out for Scammy in the CPL when he only had ordinary players in the team?

In reply to voiceofreason

I GIVE SAMMY MUCH KUDOS FOR THAT.!!

He belatedly found his cajones, after allowing himself to be the Board's lapdog for so long and for that he earned my grudging respect.



I would have to agree with Sammy, notwithstanding the fact that Cameron was in the neighborhood when West Indies won 4 titles - 2 Men's; U19; and the Women's World Cup

To be fair, the same could be said, and was said about Sammy -that the team won in spite of him.

In reply to Cuter

Yeah, but ultimately runs and wickets are the determining factor in a team winning and Sammy contributed precious few of those!!

In reply to jacksprat

Hillaire could have lead the team and won , even though he was clueless about cricket and proclaimed we are winning in first innings.

In reply to powen001

I do not agree with that characterization (pun intended).
a. At the behest of Mgt. Sammy after agreeing to attend his union's function and had a car sent for him did not turn up because 'mgt' Hilaire told him not to attend.

b. Sammy after previously saying Gayle would be a welcomed asset to his team then turned around and said 'Gayle knows what he has to do' in order to return (parroting Gibson).
Yet, when Gayle was returning from his exile and Gibson stated that it would be very easy for Gayle to fit right back into the team (without fuss) Sammy said instead 'Gayle has to know he is coming into a very hard-working environment and will have to fit in...hopefully he can fit in nicely.

c. Would not bowl if licks were sharing but as soon as wkts fell have a go at the new batsman even at the expense of removing an on song wicket-taker from the attack.


d. When Hilaire forbade Sammy from travelling to JA to play in a game that Gayle was appearing in he meekly complied even though he needed the playing time thus taking a side.
against a member of his own union.

If I were to be led by such a character I'd be wary if not outright distrustful of him.

Fortunately, this current team either does not remember or maybe not understand the implications of such a character. If he can motivate them via his personality then that's all good for WI.
His assistants in the meantime must identify and correct flaws in players' technical abilities.

In reply to jacksprat

You shouldn't even bother responding to that 'performers' oversimplified and simplistic comment.
Cheeks is right that Sammy did contribute to the 2012 final with bat n ball. However, he was the least
impactful of the think tank's final over decision (it is on tape). That bat n ball contribution in the final
although should never be undervalued, still fits the adage 'Even broken clocks are right twice a day'.
Why? Check the contributions 'before and after' in T20 WC's. He (Sammy) did put a thrashing on Oz in 2016
which I thoroughly enjoyed.

In reply to powen001

‘Real talk’ coach better fix something half time

In reply to Halliwell

According to powen Sammy is CERTIFIED
Sammy looks concerned and stopped writing...

In reply to Brerzerk

For the record.

I have never been a Hilaire Fan.

That is well documented,

However _ I stand by what I say about Sammy.

nice try with the playing the CH Gayle card...we all know how I love Gayle but.

I stand my ground on SAMMY and will not be distracted by your wiles sah

In reply to Halliwell

well...they are creating chances galore...none taken.

you want Sammys Bucket hands to take the flying balls too?