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23/24 Central Contracts

 
WICFan 2023-12-10 17:26:44 

https://www.windiescricket.com/news/cwi-announces-west-indies-player-central-contract-offers-for-2023-to-2024/

 
Onionman0 2023-12-10 17:35:12 

In reply to WICFan

Neither here nor there....poor list.....few youngsters Speedster ought to be brought into it......this list is disappointing.....few steps backwards

 
Onionman0 2023-12-10 17:51:08 

No indication as to red ball contract....white ball contract or all format contract....Holder, once all formats contract....now refuses....seems to be interested only in T-20..... waiting to see whether he tour Australia.....

Mayers also globe trotting....
Lots of vacancies for Australia tour...

 
Castled 2023-12-10 23:10:27 

In reply to WICFan

How much are the contracts worth? The dollar value of contracts of West Indies players remain a secret. Other countries publish the worth of contracts.

Where is the transparency? Why are fans kept in the dark on what players earn?

 
WICFan 2023-12-10 23:32:13 

In reply to Castled

I believe that in 2022 it was around USD 150,000 p/a for West Indies retainers.

When it was separated into all formats, red ball, white ball that an all formats deal could net the player around USD 200,000.

Appearance fees, player of the match/series etc goes on top of this.

 
doosra 2023-12-10 23:51:46 

In reply to WICFan

Appearance fees = match fees?
Is there sponsorship fees as well?

 
WICFan 2023-12-11 09:23:11 

In reply to doosra

Appearance fees = match fees?


Yeah.

Is there sponsorship fees as well?


No idea. That's where journalists should be asking questions about the details of WICB/CWI expenditure.

 
openning 2023-12-11 09:31:30 

Is WIPA still the representative body of the players?

 
Halliwell 2023-12-11 09:36:22 

Contract value is USD150k in actual pampers-buying money, and how much in “Pride & Loyalty bonus”?

Some individual asked last week why Eng and Oz players wasnt refusing central contracts and was lining up to play for their country. Out the other side of their mowt them was complaining about ‘how’ Russell was lining up to play for his country.

 
WICFan 2023-12-11 10:43:01 

In reply to Halliwell

Outside of the big 3 the money offered for T/20s is too good to turn down.

Players like Boult and De Kock are either retiring or basically became part-time Internationals.

 
DIEHARD 2023-12-11 12:52:12 

In reply to WICFan

But yet they say all nations cricketers except for West Indians play for national pride.

When "national pride" pays well, it sure makes a big difference

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 12:56:26 

In reply to Halliwell

Most players on that list would be earning close to 200k tax free from the west indies board

Then some of them have personal endorsements and sponsorships. Even a bat sticker fetches them money, as do Instagram posts etc

We are the probably the only country where players don't pay taxes, you should factor that into your equation.

Some of our past greats before the T20 era like brian lara made tens of millions just playing for West Indies and with their sponsorships. Many value laras net worth at close to 100m usd, this of course includes his business ventures etc outside of cricket. But the point being. If you're serious about playing cricket for West Indies and are good at it, you can earn big bucks

 
Halliwell 2023-12-11 13:08:15 

In reply to brians_da_best

Nice try

To use endorsements to bump up their earnings to the provocative ‘enough’ level

 
doosra 2023-12-11 14:09:16 

In reply to Halliwell

they also do CPL etc

so it is not only that

but i get you...it's abut maximizing...who can blame them

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 15:03:55 

In reply to Halliwell

Not really. The point being, these guys make a good amount of tax free money

200k tax free in the Caribbean
Vs
Say 500k with 40 per cent taxes in the UK

Plus the cost of living in the Caribbean is less

Put all of this together, and our players aren’t that far apart from some of the top countries/ in fact I read an article that said that West Indian players were the third highest wage earners out of all test playing nations.

 
doosra 2023-12-11 15:06:19 

In reply to brians_da_best

actually, there is a huge difference....

the match fees for the top 3 are at least 2-3 times that of the WI, they play a lot more intl cricket, they get bonuses, sponsorship money, etc etc

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 15:07:18 

In reply to doosra

I was told to leave out sponsorship money in a previous post. I happily included that and cited the example of Lara who played before the T20 era

 
doosra 2023-12-11 15:38:22 

In reply to brians_da_best

some guys make 200k, 300k etc from bat sponsorship, etc etc...but that is related to market, quality of player, etc...

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 15:43:38 

In reply to doosra

Yes agreed.

The point I make stands.

If you just play for West Indies, you get a minimum of 200k a year tax free.

If you are good and very good, you open a plethora of sponsorship deals.

If West Indies starts winning, you start getting more sponsorships, more bonuses, etc.

That would further enhance their earnings.

But to get there, you need to commit yourself to West Indies cricket, play for pride and start winning.

Alternatively, sign up for every franchisee you want, and make your money there

 
doosra 2023-12-11 15:58:39 

In reply to brians_da_best

it's the long uncertain haul vs what's present and available

i suggested 2 years ago wi introduce multi-year deals for guys like Alzharri - guaranteed income...i think i suggested 3 years 500k...England went with that (not because of me of course lol, multiyear contracts are common of course in many sports)...but cwi does not have the amount of money to give that...it's a year by year

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 16:03:47 

In reply to doosra

Multi year is the way to go. CWI should be able to fund that, they do have money, they just end up spending it stupidly

 
WICFan 2023-12-11 16:51:00 

Multi years deals might work for the ECB and boards with big money but could you imagine if a young player under a multi year retainer had interest from the T/20 leagues conflicting when the West Indies are playing.

CWI could plan ahead, send the domestic and international itineraries to County Championship sides, a lot of which are struggling financially.

So gaining an Alzarri Joseph, Shai Hope or Kraigg Brathwaite for a short stint may work financially for the County side and gives West Indies contracted players competitive cricket and some extra revenue opportunities.

 
doosra 2023-12-11 16:52:27 

In reply to WICFan

multi-year deals come with conditions...ask youngster Harry Brook

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 16:57:52 

In reply to WICFan

Multi year deals would work well for West Indies, since once a player accepts a contract , schedule clashes don't matter. It's west indies first

The issue could be as doosra said, the now vs the uncertain future, making most players wary of accepting a deal that ties them down to 200k a year (assuming west indies cricket doesn't do well) and some limited endorsements and sponsorships money. Vs big cheques in franchisee leagues.

To paraphrase your statement, it's not rich boards who can do multi year deals, it's the successful boards who can, since players see huge opportunities to maximise their earnings while playing for their countries.

Indian cricketers are barred from playing ant league except the IPL which really is their own domestic tournament. I have not heard one player speak against this policy. The reason is that the Indian team has a such a good successful product that people are falling over backwards to put money in it, and players are laughing all the way to the bank. All this while turning out with pride and playing as hard as possible

 
Barry 2023-12-11 17:28:02 

In reply to brians_da_best

Guess they don't retire players at 34 either razz

 
Barry 2023-12-11 17:29:33 

Sharma, Kohli, and Jadega are 35-36 ...

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-11 17:31:24 

In reply to Barry

Man I'm done responding to you, you need help. I'm actually a little worries for you. Hope you make it out of whatever you're going through. Remember it's just a a game. And whatever bravo is going through right now will not matter in some time.

Take care and peace out. Not responding to you after this.

 
Barry 2023-12-11 17:33:26 

In reply to brians_da_best

Michael Hussey started at 30 in tests and last seven years ... How sad ...

 
Barry 2023-12-11 17:34:32 

In reply to brians_da_best

Remember it's just a a game.

Just like that nasty white man Oppenheimer after he killed all those Japanese

 
imusic 2023-12-11 22:46:33 

Good to see that as the COS is publicly saying CWI is investing in youth, it gives a central contract to a 36 year old medium pacer.

Gopaul luck is not Seepaul luck

 
brians_da_best 2023-12-12 04:19:00 

In reply to imusic

Roach is a regular in the test team? And out most successful bowler since Walsh and ambrose

He isn’t playing ODIs or in the 2027 World Cup plans

 
WICFan 2023-12-12 10:07:31 

In reply to imusic

With Holder now going to pick and choose his availability, Gabriel is probably closer to the end than what Roach is and Seales finding his way after injury and is still learning then Roach, for all his troubles away from home still has a big role to play.

Ideally the likes of Jair McAllister, Akeem Jordan, Marquino Mindley, Oshane Thomas etc step it up during the fc season.

 
openning 2023-12-12 19:07:34 

In reply to imusic

What about Blackwood, the present test VC?

 
tc1 2023-12-12 19:20:43 

In reply to openning

Blackie sa he coming to Bim to put wood in the fire.lol

 
openning 2023-12-12 21:15:11 

In reply to tc1

Another Nick Cannon?