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Wickets don't count...

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 12:48:16 

...in these situations.

I am convinced Raggs played some cricket:

Raggs
12/16/23, 5:11:04 AM

There’s a famous case in our past when a certain captain dropped a dolly catch to keep a certain batsman at the wicket so the run rate would stay at a lovely snail pace. So there’s two right sides to the argument. No one is wrong depends on the situation at the time.


Good going Raggs. Many here can't see past their noses.

big grinbig grinbig grin

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 12:55:53 

I have been on several teams which have employed this strategy above.

But, many airheads here have not played any competitive cricket and can't think pass their noses. It simply shows how shallow they are and most of those airheads don't deserve my time.

But this mb is populated with many asses who are not worth my time.

And yes..." I don't criticize Russell" but yet, there is a big bold thread I started about him.

...deliberate maliciousness.

Anything to get at discourtesty... I will continue to pour scorn mercilessly on some of the uneducated asses here.

Thank you Walco and Discourse...

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 13:10:44 

Thank you Raggs as well. Your perspective is refreshing and I am sure opened many eyes and heads here.

No one will ever say "wickets don't matter" and for any poster to suggest this is diliberately disengenious at best...but there are many binary thinkers here.

This why I love to ridicule and belittle those asses.

big grin

 
Raggs 2023-12-16 13:15:00 

Clive Lloyd - Geoff Boycott , tournament 1979 ODI World Cup finals.

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 13:16:21 

In reply to Raggs

There you go.

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 13:20:52 

There are times when you would want to deliberately slow down the game to break the momentum" as it were.

I notice the one minute timing to be in position for the next over would now negate this strategy.

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 13:27:02 

Thinking posters and cricketers should be the prevailing state of affairs.

.................................

As a side note: Shai Hope stated publicly that his slow scoring rate has been expressed in certain quarters and that he is doing someting about it.

Some posters would rather malicioulsy view my critique as a personal attack on the cricketer. And mind you, a cricketer I lobbied hard to be in West Indies colours.

 
jen 2023-12-16 13:50:46 

In reply to Courtesy

Let me ask you a question, who in this England team would present a catch and you would drop it to keep them at the crease? Absolutely none, because they will go on to win the game.

You know if you ain't bowl out this England side while chasing, you more times than not, lose the game right, regardless of how many 'stingy' bowlers you have in the team?

Thing is, all facets work together for the better outcome. It's good to have 'stingy' bowlers and bowlers who blow out batsmen at the expense of a few extra runs. Some men, you cannot contain once they in a mood, so you have to 'out' them. Sometimes, stingy bowlers make men get out. All have their moments. On some pitches, Stingy bowlers are easy pickings.

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 13:53:02 

In reply to jen

Why are you are being specific? Don't be like the other posters. Where in this thread was I being specific? Every game and every situation must be assessed in its own way.

Man stay outta this for your sake.

 
Discourse 2023-12-16 13:56:58 

As a side note: Shai Hope stated publicly that his slow scoring rate has been expressed in certain quarters and that he is doing someting about it.
Yep, publicly stated.

...and as I said some time ago. The coach and management recognized the error and immediately remedied it by sending Hope down the order to play his natural game. A testament to the critique.

Anyway, back to the salient issue. Isn't it obvious why bowlers' avg/SR becomes less significant the shorter the game becomes? Apart from a few here, the rest of the cricketing world rarely discusses averages in t20 unless it's a talking point. It's all about econ, even more so with the advent of 100 balls.

...and yes wickets help, including run-outs.

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 14:01:11 

In reply to Discourse

Thank you Sah.

Who in their right mind will posit that "wickets don't matter?"

But the thread in question reeks of maliciousness and poor attempt to gain my attention.

I have been ignoring the ass for a long time now.

 
camos 2023-12-16 14:01:53 

In reply to Courtesy

Where in this thread was I being specific?
all these threads are related to the view on Joseph's game two performance.

 
Discourse 2023-12-16 14:09:10 

In reply to camos

all these threads are related to the view on Joseph's game two performance.

Lol, just as they did belaboring the issue with Hope when the issue was not primarily about him, but the strategy/plan of using him.
Can't see how that was lost on some. lol

 
doosra 2023-12-16 14:20:13 

In reply to camos

yall have short short memories man jeez
it is sometimes too tedious

Joseph has been leaking runs, hidden from the powerplays, etc all thru 2023

he is the number 1 bowler as many have agreed but he has to be protected by neophytes

that is how i interpret the threads anyway

let me leave you with a question

how many leading bowlers in the world are unable to / or are hidden from powerplay overs?

 
Courtesy 2023-12-16 14:32:28 

You have prempted my plans. I was going the start a thread of his 2023 T20 stats with detailed analysis.

This thread was a set up destined to move in that direction.

His econ rate is over 10. What accounts for this...inside the power play or not.

This bespeaks of a mediocre declining trend which no serious team should tolerate.

Ah well!!...

big grin

 
WIfan26 2023-12-16 14:38:59 

In reply to doosra

What’s the big issue with bowling outside the power play in a T20 game???

Especially in the Caribbean with slow shitty pitches with hardly any swing!!!

The faster they come the faster they go!!!

Logically wouldn’t you want your enforcer to have a proper field to bowl too???

 
camos 2023-12-16 14:41:03 

In reply to doosra

how many leading bowlers in the world are unable to / or are hidden from powerplay overs?

Not all bowlers can bowl in the power play, not all bowlers can bowl in the final over, it is the duty of good skipper to figure these things out!

 
doosra 2023-12-16 14:41:34 

In reply to WIfan26

man i am here enjoying all the different explanations...

 
Discourse 2023-12-16 14:58:58 

In reply to camos

Not all bowlers can bowl in the power play, not all bowlers can bowl in the final over, it is the duty of good skipper to figure these things out!

Where did I didn't hear this before??? lollollol

 
Discourse 2023-12-16 15:01:14 

In reply to doosra

man i am here enjoying all the different explanations...
That's the idea. lol

 
WIfan26 2023-12-16 15:02:42 

In reply to doosra

lollollol

It’s times like these we missed Dukes with his proper explanations lol

Man disappeared like the Avatar when Hetmyer needed him the most lol

 
camos 2023-12-16 15:13:42 

In reply to WIfan26 be prepared for Dukes return when Hetty makes that 50!big grin

 
Headley 2023-12-16 17:02:23 

In reply to Courtesy

His econ rate is over 10. What accounts for this...inside the power play or not.


You may wish to doublecheck Joseph's Econ which I am seeing is 8.03 and not >10, before you check what accounts for it.

Joseph's Econ

 
doosra 2023-12-16 17:07:10 

In reply to Headley

according to cricinfo his overall ecn is 8.55 and for 2023 it's just over 10

 
Halliwell 2023-12-16 17:18:36 

In reply to doosra

I am enjoying the various opinions and the unluckiest poster in the world comes along to say he was thinking that and about to say the very same thing.
Second place everytime, so uncanny.
Lots of lovable characters on hay

 
natty_forever 2023-12-16 19:21:08 

What a rubbish thread, the author is showing he has no knowledge of cricket.