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Johnson Charles is the latest whipping boy on this msb.

Before him it was Aljo. The silence on Aljo is now deafening since his performance against NZ

A player like Romario Shepherd….who has done fuck all and then some in this tournament so far, has completely flown under the radar. Not a peep.

Nope….the vitriol is reserved for a select few.

Maybe Shep is a “proper batsman”.

In reply to imusic

You are making up stories now?

let me give you 4 recent consecutive performances

1. 2-31 vs Australia in the win at Perth

2. 26 off 13 and 2 for 21 in the following t20 vs South Africa that WI won

right after that, 1st match in the WC -

3. 1 FOR 23 and DNB

4. 5 Not OUT and 1 for 9

so what should people be writing about really?

you bawlin bout the 5th most recently vs NZ?

5. 13 in a partnership with Rutherford and the final over where he was hit for 3 6s?

now

In reply to imusic

Same could be said about half of the playing XI... but then again maybe they are exempt, because we don't consider them "proper batsmen"

What did Poo Poo do to date?
Brandon King?
Powell?

Here are the WI numbers....

Link

In reply to anthonyp

i have given Shepherd's 5 most recent T20s

what are we to be calling for?

Mus be a slow day.....

Scorecard - game #1

Scorecard Game #2

Scorecard # 3

In reply to Narper

i would expect a gentlemanly apology from imusic and nothing less, slow day or not

In reply to doosra

He's Guyanese... can't complain about Motie and Sherfane... well until they get a bad match so Shepy gotta take de heat..

Ah blaming Hety for this.. if he was playing all the attention would've been on him

In reply to anthonyp

an apology is forthcoming...

In reply to doosra

Didn't someone drop a straightforward catch off his bowling in the last match too?

In reply to anthonyp

forget that he had a partnership with Rutherford, and he had a bad over when the game was literally over, let us give imusic 1 out of 5

Comparing lower order finisher/all-rounder with opening bat?

In reply to Brerzerk

not really, this is an old anti-Guyanese moment, again...

mek imusic, my good friend, come offer a sincere apology to all the people he intended to demean

In reply to doosra

Music man seh his mission was accomplished....he riled up the muddies....he now gawn counry till tonite

In reply to Narper

i will continue to remind him about this thread and an apology before we can continue our mb talks lol

I apologize





For NOTHING

A setta bleating just because the obvious is pointed out. What has shepherd done in this tournament?

That was my question.

FUCK ALL……that’s what

He is just an example of the blatant discrimination and hypocrisy by some on this msb here.

One decide to talk about Shep performances against SA and Australia.

I must have missed it. I didn’t realize WI have played SA and Australia already IN THIS TOURNAMENT.

Another asked “what has Poo Poo” done?

Well….if Allyuh could quote that Shep had a “Partnership” of 23 runs with Rutherford against NZ and that is allyuh standard for “doing something”, then I could respond that “Poo Poo” is the team’s 2nd highest run scorer in this tournament thus far.

But that don’t matter.


What this has shown is that when it comes right down to it, Guyanese no different than Bajans on this message board. Even the supposedly reasonable ones.

The same people here vehemently defending Shepherd are the same ones that was up until the NZ match demanding that AlJo be dropped and he was a waste and don’t know how to bowl etc.

Now they train their sights on Johnson Charles after Aljo’s NZ performance.

Shame

spiritual home and all that!

In reply to imusic

thank you bruh

good on you

for the record, I am and will continue to defend Johnson charles against nepotistic (is that a word even?) criticisms

and I did ask for Aljo to produce more because he has been the chosen one for a long time and he has been just about par for a while

And yes I would continue to expect more of Sheppy now that he is a senior statesman...

i claim no freedom from insularity or foolishness...i am as prone as anyone to the ocassional prejudice

In reply to Narper & Doosra

One a y'all hurt iTito's feelings really bad.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

In reply to doosra

As do I.

It just real unfair to some players…..Charlo and AlJo in particular

I not saying don’t criticize players. Criticism comes with the territory. But some people take it too far.

I not sure if people realize that if WI were to win this World Cup, Johnson Charles would become the only player in history to have 3 cricket T20 World Cup titles.

In reply to imusic

True but why are you riling up the posters above?

Amazing that criticism of players elicit defense based only on country of origin.

We will become a mature people when constructive criticism of players is not defended on insular grounds. The suspects are the same all the time.

I wish to see the day when they will let insularity, hate and racism confine to the dustbin of history.

BTW, Charles can prosper on flat tracks- he can take the game away in a matter of overs.

In reply to anthonyp

On a podcast on YT, I mentioned the same thing what has Pooran and King done and went to task. And the thing is we top three have been pretty inconsistent we first 4 games so far, but some as music says seem to be above reproach.

The musicman is real acid today, never heard him like this all his years of posting, kool down my bro.

In reply to Emir

i agree with you. i remember in the 90s, two west indian batsmen averaged over 40, jimmy adams who averaged just over 40, and Brian Charles Lara, whose average was close to 60 up until 1997. There were two other world class batsmen in that lineup. Chanderpaul, who was frequently injured and not taken care of at all by the WICB and Carl Llewellyn Hooper. Hooper was criticized as a footnote, even though his lack of runs cost the west indies a host of matches, despite being the best batsman in the team and yes as absurd as it sounds there was one batsman in the 90s that could be better than The Prince.

I remember reading a few months ago, a West Indian cricket Annual article talking to Lara about the upcoming South Africa tour. Lara said there a men in this team who have been in for years and have not justified their selection. No guesses for who he was talking about. Yes the sort of concentrated media campaign against lara in the 90s which even extended beyond the cricket field, didn't follow hooper around, despite him being the better batsman but inferior performer. You'll never hear cozier or holding or viv or reds or any of the critics in the 90s pound hooper the way they pounded lara and lara gave more to west indian cricket than any player in the last 35 years.

In reply to Jumpstart

how does showing that Shepherd performed well recently amounts to insularity, racism, and hate?

i await a cogent response from you - a straight simple clear response

In reply to doosra

wasn't referring to shepherd. he has bowled decently apart from that last nz over, and the game was up by then. NZ wasn't going to score 25 in a last over. I am referring to the fact that influential people in wi cricket pick and chose who they want to criticize, make them the source of the media contributions and most supporters follow them. If Chris gayle for example, had decided to bat on the slope that is Lords, in overcast conditions, against anderson and broad, he'd have been all but hanged. Jason holder did that with a series in the balance and not a peep.

In reply to Jumpstart

dude, you cited that

no scene...i was just checking in with you

In reply to Jumpstart

Glue pitch you around bro.... how the best pitch in the region?

A player like Romario Shepherd….who has done fuck all and then some in this tournament so far, has completely flown under the radar. Not a peep.

The man, in a casual fashion , could have lost us the game against NZ in the final over.

Given the rain of sixes that greeted him, thankfully ...... he did not no ball or wide....

no obvious plan ....focus .....His opening spell was ...so so....not much in it .

An earlier post defended keeping the same squad by suggesting any replacement would have to start from scratch, but going into the super 8,
would,nt it be prudent to put some legs on 1,2,3 of our subs so they could have some match feel in case needed during the super 8?

Basic strategy ....this game is meaning less in the context of what happens next .

nb...personally I would like to see Shamar get a shot ...give him his wings if you please. Hety....why not ?

In reply to Jumpstart

[b]i agree with you. i remember in the 90s, two west indian batsmen averaged over 40, jimmy adams who averaged just over 40, and Brian Charles Lara, whose average was close to 60 up until 1997. There were two other world class batsmen in that lineup. Chanderpaul, who was frequently injured and not taken care of at all by the WICB and Carl Llewellyn Hooper. Hooper was criticized as a footnote, even though his lack of runs cost the west indies a host of matches, despite being the best batsman in the team and yes as absurd as it sounds there was one batsman in the 90s that could be better than The Prince.

I remember reading a few months ago, a West Indian cricket Annual article talking to Lara about the upcoming South Africa tour. Lara said there a men in this team who have been in for years and have not justified their selection. No guesses for who he was talking about. Yes the sort of concentrated media campaign against lara in the 90s which even extended beyond the cricket field, didn't follow hooper around, despite him being the better batsman but inferior performer. You'll never hear cozier or holding or viv or reds or any of the critics in the 90s pound hooper the way they pounded lara and lara gave more to west indian cricket than any player in the last 35 years.[/b]


if YOU want to be taken seriously as a poster, you're going to have to retract that bit about Hooper never being criticized by Holding and Cozier. Holding & Cozier? Nah! You are inexorably, wrong Jumpy!

In reply to johndom90

Romario is a better asset in flat pitches for his batting- he can hit 20 runs in a few balls at the deep end of the innings, but he remains a massive liability with the ball. In T-20 match winners are trump cards, if Romario plays, he cannot be counted on to bowl 4 overs, at best they can get 2 overs from him and this is the dis-advantage of playing him.

Will love to see Shemar.

In reply to cumberland

Please define “best” and “better”

Thanks

In reply to johndom90

the question is WHY cappos continue give Sheppard the final over after repeated inability to handle the pressure year after year.

Why is senior bowler Al Jo never given the final over?.....and in many cases not even the first over?

Is Sheppy the nice guy always the scapergoat?

In reply to imusic

I could engage you

[i]Hooper was criticized as a footnote, even though his lack of runs cost the west indies a host of matches, despite being the best batsman in the team and yes as absurd as it sounds there was one batsman in the 90s that could be better than The Prince.

Please define “best” and “better”[/i]

Thanks

I aimed my remarks at the "Hooper not being criticized by Holding and Cozier", and you'd never find me agreeing with Hooper being better than Lara or besting him as Brian's record speaks volumes for itself and transcends Carl's.

However that statement by the poster was designed to cover the untruth I cited as the reason for my reposte!

You'd be hard-pressed to find a much more "maligned cricketer" in any generation than Carl Hooper. Both Holding and Cozier were amongst the strong brigade that invested in that enterprise. Many would say his underachievement nay failure warranted it. Criticism, even harsh is par for the course. Taking it beyond that is much more personalized and rancorous. I've lived to see people who ably abetted and assisted the ill talk against Hooper cover their faces in shame when he openly cried for WI performance in Australia recently.

In reply to cumberland

That is why I said the way they criticized Lara……genius. What I mean is the venom with which they criticized Lara was notably absent from the criticism of Hooper. Lara would be called a spoilt child( despite averaging close to 60 up until 1997 and not too far from that coming into the 1999 series vs #1 Australia) while nobody would get to the crux of hopper’s ills, unprofessionalism. Cozier said Lara was bad for WI cricket, despite all the match winning innings that Lara played for the WI. Hooper , whose inconsistency( he only averages 36) cost us countless games does not get that sort of almost personal criticism

In reply to Jumpstart

the critism of lara has never been about his batting ability i have never heard anybody say lara was not a great batsman it has been generally about his off the field incidents that are documented that contributed to the perception that he was a arrogant spoilt child in the eyes of many outside of trinidad.at times it was crazy. i was in barbados all the talk in the barbershops on the street from guyanese, jamaicans, bajans all saying that because walsh not lara was given the captaincy at that time lara was not supporting him .and trying to undermine him.

In reply to Jumpstart

Agreed.

I ask fans to move on and leave behind insularity, hate and racism.
I celebrate all WI cricket- I am proud of our history and consider this:

Barbados for their incredible test cricketers- A best ever Bim Test team can beat any other nation and a best World Test Team.
A TT best T-20 team, will beat any other best T-20 team
Two of the greatest batters of all time
The fastest bowers of all time
Global domination for 15 years

All of this, plus some more, without the economic clout, limited resources and a substandard Board.

These are the thing we must celebrate, but sadly the pull of hate and insularity by these posters is shameless- crab in a barrel mentality is still alive.

Everyone has some type of insularity built in (innate).
People are born and nurtured to support some group.
There is nothing wrong with supporting your countryman.
There is nothing wrong with supporting your countryman.
What is wrong is criticizing other countries because of ethnicity.
When it comes to Windies selection, every person has an opinion.

Notice how Jumpy took this tread back to Lara etc.

Looking at this squad:
I criticized Alzo many times because.
1. He is too experienced to bowl nonsense repeatedly.
2. I forgave him when he returned from injuries as it was a hard recovery.
3. He bowls on same pitches as other fast men and seems not to learn.
4. He is VC and therefore entrusted with leadership role.
5. He is the leading wicket taker for Windies in recent times, so better is expected.

I criticize Charles cause he just cannot bat.
1. He is a vooper.
2. No footwork like Gayle, but Gayle hit straight which is the biggest difference.
3. I believe that he made this team last year cause of Scammy.

I criticized McCoy cause he has too much ability.
1. I recognize that he is coming back from injuries.
2. He is too good to be bowling so much nonsense.
In all honesty, he looks to be coming back to his pre-injuries form.

I criticize Mayers (Bajan and all) cause he does not live up to expectations;
1. He should bowl more
2. He gets out too simple.
3. He is too nonchalant
I know that he is not in this squad.

I criticize Pooran cause he does not live up to expectations.
1. Easily the best batsman on the team (potentially the world)
2. Easily an all-format player
3. Does not seem to want to get his eye in before he attacks. (biggest flaw IMO)

Everyone knows that I support Ozz.
I also support Windies and want them to meet Oz in final and win.

I support the 11 that goes out there (even Charles).

I support Barbados first then other Windies players.
I'm not afraid to say it.
However, I do not cuss out other players because of countries,
like imusic, Jumpy, et al.