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Recall Shai Hope, make him Test captain/Keeper

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Casper 8/18/24, 2:39:23 AM
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I never understood why he was discarded at Test level. It isn’t as if they were others vastly better than him.
WIfan26 8/18/24, 2:40:30 AM
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In reply to Casper

Ummm because he averages 25 even Hetmyer averaged more than him!!!
camos 8/18/24, 2:48:39 AM
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I never understood why he was discarded at Test level


really! big grin
Jumpstart 8/18/24, 3:03:25 AM
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He averages 25 in 38 tests. Hope ain’t the savior homes
Jumpstart 8/18/24, 3:04:40 AM
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In reply to WIfan26

I sure yuh understand why Darren Bravo, averaging 40(only dude in the team to do that) was discarded in 2016 for 3 years.
doosra 8/18/24, 3:07:29 AM
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Coach Coley hinted he doh want guys who will be one-offs...

are you committed for the next 12 months...if no, stay away
WIfan26 8/18/24, 3:32:48 AM
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In reply to Jumpstart

Yes Darren Bravo was and still is by far the best red ball batsman in the region since Shiv retired but unfortunately one man still can't win you many games ask Lara!!!

Unfortunately I think Dave Cameron was actually on the right path in 2014 why we paying people just to lose? Invest into a better system and try to reap some rewards!!!

What these players need to understand is that there is so much fame and money to be made in Test cricket look at Shamar Joseph literally one game winning spell against Australia has put him on a path to being a millionaire!!!

Imagine how much money the board could make on a winning team which could trickle down to the players themselves!!!
Chrissy 8/18/24, 1:50:00 PM
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In reply to Casper
Agree that he is a better batsman than most of these
camos 8/18/24, 2:01:30 PM
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Is Shai better than Blackwood?
4REALQUICKS 8/18/24, 2:17:45 PM
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Technically, Shai Hope is a much better player. Unfortunately, he has not been involved in red ball cricket enough through the past few years.

Blackwood started off with a bang and was hailed as the new Viv Richards. Instant pressure and never reached those heights again. Managed to somewhat curb his natural aggressive stroke play during the latter years of his test career and looked like he may be better for it but for somebody with over 140 first class games, he still makes the same wild shots and basic errors. At nearly 33, his ship has probably not only sailed but gone off the edge pf the map. After 56 tests, he barely averaged 30 and scored just three centuries. Watching him scratch around in February / March during the regional red ball championship was actually quite sad. He looked so far removed from the player he once was.

Hope does not boast that dissimilar a test record in that he too started well but quickly faded. His weakness against fast, short pitch bowling soon found him out (a flaw that has since been worked on). In ODI cricket, he remains one of the best in the world. That, makes West Indies fans clamor for his reintroduction into the test side. His last test match action was away to Sri Lanka in late 2021. It was yet another dismal tour for the West Indies, with the only warm up match being abandoned without a ball bowled. The players looked well shy of practice and were undone by the home team who out batted them comfortably in both tests. Hope, along with the rest of the middle order, really struggled.
LBW375 8/18/24, 2:21:30 PM
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In reply to Casper

Never understood?

Check his test average

Very Devon Smith'sh
granite 8/18/24, 6:32:11 PM
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Way Casper fromlol
Logic 8/18/24, 6:49:10 PM
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In reply to WIfan26

Hope is 30, younger than Hodge and only 3 years older than Carty. Both Hodge and Carty are better than they were at the age Hope played most of his test cricket for WI. Its not rational to right off a guy who has since grown to become one of the most successful top order 50 over batsmen in the world since his test failure several years ago.

I think some people.are wishing Hope's test demise rather than expecting it
WIfan26 8/18/24, 7:49:46 PM
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In reply to Logic

The poster asked why Shai was discarded so I gave him the answer!!!

Now do I believe Shai should be given another chance, absolutely he should!!! There's just no real guarantee he'll do any better especially with teams knowing his game inside out and bowlers won't be restricted to just 10 overs against him!!!
WICFan 8/18/24, 8:16:18 PM
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Brandon King should be considered as well.
Jumpstart 8/18/24, 8:38:32 PM
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In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Shai hope has two hundreds vs broad and Anderson. Great bowlers, not very aggressive though. Darren Bravo has a double hundred vs southee, boult, Wagner and Matt Henry. He has another hundred against the same attack scored a year later. He has scored a hundred in Australia vs Hazelwood and Pattinson( would have been the best Aussie pacer in a generation if not for injuries). I’m not sure Shai even has a 50 against attack that will consistently feed him a diet of short pitched bowling
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Jumpstart 8/18/24, 8:40:04 PM
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I have been saying that for a long time. King is technically better put together than louis
granite 8/18/24, 9:31:17 PM
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When yuh see foolish posts on this MB is only then you know some know very little about what they chat.Educate them!
WICFan 8/18/24, 11:34:32 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

Whether he can open in tests is another question, but it might be worth a try.
Jumpstart 8/18/24, 11:40:35 PM
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i gree. i was always impressed with King
tc1 8/19/24, 12:03:46 AM
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Daren is an excellent player of short piitch bowling. He avg 40 in test cricket and 50 in ODI .let make him captain.
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4REALQUICKS 8/19/24, 12:06:27 AM
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In reply to Jumpstart

I was talking about Blackwood and Hope, in response to an earlier post. I did not mention Bravo.
Jumpstart 8/19/24, 12:21:20 AM
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ah ok
Jumpstart 8/19/24, 12:22:22 AM
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In reply to tc1

certainly any bajan batsman since dessie. bajan batsmen have been downright atrocious since him
TanteMerle 8/19/24, 12:47:01 AM
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Let me share a secret with all ya.
Hope was supposed to be VC in de Ozz tour,
but he declined the tour.

I am not in favor of him being made cappo right away,
but he needs to be in the team.
Chase scored a quick 100 and took 10 wickets in his only red ball game this year,
yet he does not appear to be in the test conversation.

Finally Carty in the team, good for him and us.
Alzarri is not cappo material.
King needs to be the conversation for test.
Pooran needs to be in the conversation for tests.
Shepherd (yes Shepherd) needs to be in conversation for tests.

If Windies get their best players in the squad, then the captainy will work itself out.

BRAFFIT NEEDS TO GO AS CAPPO, and POSSIBLY AS A BATTER.
LET HIM COMPETE FOR A BATTING SPOT.
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