Change of ball

Has too much impact on game outcomes. From Gayle hit that 6 on the roof in NZ ‘till now

In reply to Brerzerk
The latest tiefing technique

In reply to Brerzerk

what is find very very telling nowadays is that almost to a beat you know a change of ball will bring something...

perhaps we are noticing it more now and it is not a new phenomenon

is it also a case that the balls now tend to go out of shape more quickly? concrete stands? bigger bats? harder hitters?

or again maybe they always did but we were not as fussy to change them as often as we do now?

In reply to doosra

I don't see why if a ball is outta shape they want to change it,wouldn't an out of shape ball misbehave off the pitch and cause problems for batters,I think the bowlers should try it for a few overs you never know.

Change of balls are not intended to bring in better balls.
Change should be for damages, and the change ball should be of similar age etc, just not damaged.
The umpires are deliberately teefing fa Hingland.
They did it in the Ashes last year.

People here kept quiet cause dem hate Ozzies.

In reply to TanteMerle

Please note WI benefitted from ball change in the recent England series

of course it would be useful to see how the data come out in the long run

the way it is presently as I understand it is that if the ball is brought to the attention by the umpire, by either team, or by the umps themselves, they put it thru the ring test then change depending on outcome...naively, this all looks fairly transparent to me...but like i said I am taking the naive view here

i am missing the connection between ball change and favor, at the moment at least

There you have it .... umpires discretion again

In reply to doosra

Transparent my ass.

let mi edumacate you.

There should be a set of balls for ages, that is: age as in overs bowled.

When there is a change, the umpires are the sole authority.
replacement balls should be of similar age, just not damaged.
Hingland was given a harder newer ball in the Ashes.
Even the commies mentioned it as it happened.
For example, They should not replace a 40 overs ball with a 20 overs ball.

Years ago, the batsmen had a say, but not anymore.
The umpires are leaning towards Hingland in ball changes.
Giving them newer and harder balls.



I added the law for you.

When mi was a bway lil bway-1st test I ever watched either TV or live Eng vs WI Sabina Park 1968. Nurse was promoted to open on follow-on. He beat that ball so hard (hit concrete beyond the boundary) it went out of shape. Sang-Hue had him use the edge of his bat like a hammer and knock it back into shape. Incidentally he also broke his bat and split his pants...true, true story

In reply to TanteMerle

You made some good points but they appear to be more theoretical than practical

for example, you are making the assumption that a ball B1, 25 overs old, would be in same condition of another ball B2, 25 overs old. I cannot see how that will work.

continue to "edumacate" me, whatever that means...

as long as the ma is not the short for mamaguy

In reply to Kay


I always have a problem with dat....what do they mean by comparable....bowled for the same number of overs?....but what about the amount of licks the ball got....did it get any licks at all?

In reply to Brerzerk


I remember that....they were comically pelting the ball onto the hard concrete to make it comparable

In reply to Narper

Man that still haunts me to this day watching friggin Rudy Koertzen bang the ball on the concrete Gayle & Ganga were 150 without loss!!!

In reply to Narper

Bingo!!! comparable appearance of a ball that was used in the nets???? Not the same sah licks, perfect point.
So, how to level the playing field?

In reply to WIfan26

Was it Daren or Adrian Griffiths?

Why don't other countries try this cunning trick?

In reply to doosra




LMAO





BTW: Edumacate is a Bermudian slang for educate,
meaning to teach, inform, inspire, exemplify, elucidate, motivate someone, increase knowledge base, and so on....

I too can use a thesaurus, but in a rum shop, it's not really applicable
Quite frankly, intelligent words seem out of place here.
Let me rephrase that.
Dem big word dem nah belang hey.

In reply to Brerzerk

Hingland appear to be getting ball changes with the change looking a lot better and newer.

Something really wrong and fishy there.

In reply to Brerzerk

Nah it was definitely Ganga

Still vex

What is transparent is the ball being out of shape. What isn't, is the replacement ball.

Since it is impossible to get a ball of same age and wear, the term similar was inserted. It therefore means that there will always be an advantage for one side of the other.

Replacement balls are labelled by date and number of overs bowled. We all know what happens to untreated leather over a period of time and overs bowled is hardly an indication of wear on the ball. A 20 over ball faced by Greenidge and Haynes wud be in far worse condition than one faced by Tage and Paint. It therefore means that until cricket can employ a scanning device to measure wear, umpires will be tasked with the unenviable task of judging wear.

In the recent match, England were helped by the lights being on and a slightly harder ball.

The more important question to me is why are so many balls going out of shape in matches these days?

In reply to Maispwi

The more important question to me is why are so many balls going out of shape in matches these days?

Me too..Balls losing shape so frequently and being changed to the fielding team's advantage too need to
be addressed.
I believe the balls are not being made to the standards of yesteryears especially in regard to the Red Ball game.
Balls used for Test cricket used to be made premium quality above that of lower levels of the game.
The Kookaburra balls made by Australia were more long serving too..now the S&G balls seem to be more
problematic, but all the Red Balls have issues whether made in India or England.
The core may be the same but something does not seem right. Too often the balls are being inspected as a ritual
part of the game and it is annoying to me as a spectator too.
I think the ICC should examine the problem of manufacture.. I could see more of a problem with the white
balls as they more abuse .Evenso ,balls getting out of whack often is a problem that needs to be tackled.
Mass production on a larger scale nowadays could be a cause or the quality of the leather,core or something else could be
reason.

Time was when we as boys would use an old leather ball for a long time banging it with wood bats and then
shining it with shoe polish for game time. They used to last...and when the seam comes apart we would take the core and
knit it with fine English thread and we would be good for days playing on the streets of Kingston.
When in the country growing up, we would shape wood balls from the Orange tree limb and that,looking back was crazy..

With no pads, when one gets hit on the shin it would hurt for days..weeks even with severe bruise as souvenirs..from playing
bowl for bat or ketchie shubby and would rather take the hit than being bowled..
I still got one or two of those reminders. Maybe Internationals should be played with such balls
Players are all well protected from Helmets and look like gladiators nowadays.
Weird is a common word now in the political arena ... crazy was us

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