Case for hope to get back into the test team

His record is mediocre but his talent and class is evident. If he dons the gloves, he could bat at 6 and should his batting click, there is more upside there than with a regular keeper.

I feel he should be given a go against Bangladesh. And we take it from there

Let him earn his spot. Play regional 4 dayers and show us.

And ppl who have played the game even little bit, know the 2 formats are miles apart. Test is just that a test, and these fellows have been tested and found wanting. Ho back to FC and develop your concentration and patience.

In reply to natty_forever

True. But it’s not that he’s not showed anything in tests: he’s had a couple of good knocks in tests and then lost his way

In reply to natty_forever

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Lol. Excuses ..... excuses

Last year Shai Hope played 3 matches as wicketkeeper batsman for Yorkshire and averaged 60 in the 4 innings he batted and yet you folks were saying the same thing to argue why he should not be on the tour to England, of all places. Most of our senior cricketers who play white ball cricket hardly play any 4 day matches in the Caribbean, yet you would want to exclude one who has at least got in some red ball cricket and who averages 50 in one day international cricket. It is just dishonest thinking to suggest Shai Hope would not have the mentality to play test cricket, even batting at no.6.

In reply to Logic

Actually I forgot about that. So he is qualified.

I think that the Super 50 should be the effective qualifiers for the Bangla test series. I think that Silva's place is definitely up for grabs but the metric may have to be good keeping and an average at least 20 above Silva's average for someone to take his place. Aljo's place is also up for grabs. Metric has to be no less than -5 wickets and an average perhaps 3 runs per over lower than Aljo. Motie had a bad outing against SA and only so-so against England. Perhaps his place is also up for grabs as should be Cappo's but each show enough to be given another chance. Athanaze and Hodge probably get another series as each had two good innings from the last 5 matches. Mykyle and Carty each get another series as neither has yet reached 10 tests. I know this sounds like chopping and changing but all of these guys have had 2024 to show steady improvement but none really has and we cannot have others just waiting in the wings forever while we allow these guys to find their feet. Nobody is getting younger.

In reply to PalsofMine

Josh place up for grabs,,? Are you crazy.

In reply to PalsofMine

But you going be chopping and changing if we don't give them more time to find their feet. Doing the same thing seeking a different results. It maybe painful but we have no choice.

Hope back in the test team...

Now there is a thought. With the gloves as an added responsibility? For five days...OK, three days more likely...but still...not sure about the latter part. If he wants it, tell him to bring Pooran along with him.

Joshua Da Silva is fine. Not great but fine. Still young and has much room for improvement but if you are going to chop and change based on his level of performance, then you will NEVER have a settled side. Rather bring Hope and Pooran on board IF they are willing to consistently represent the region at the highest level.

Test cricket is the ultimate test, hence the name. Some people are more content to concentrate for shorter periods of time...you know why..? Well it really is simple...it is MUCH easier. And then, there is the added attraction of dollar$...

Hope and Chase should be fixtures on the WI test team.
All the replacements so far has shown nothing or little. Typical WI batsman as they play one good innings and then "fart' down the place as is the current crop.
Why pick 2 spinners left arm orthodox on same team that will gave the same "mediocre" toss ups? Chase can bat and hold the middle. None of his replacements can and none has lifted their batting to match his.
As for Joshua. Maybe he needs to open with Hope since paint is looking "faded". His Braithwaite has been figured out and they have realized he has no foot movement for an opener. He is not agile at the crease. His batting is boring. Does not help the team. Why block 50 balls and score 5 runs? Is that test cricket?
Most WI batsmen have no foot movement. The batting coach is useless .

Nobody should feel their place is safe especially if they are not performing .dasilva is lucky that no other wk has challenged him i cant believe people see the get out shots he has played and his wonky technique and want to promote him in the order
As for hope and pooran if they wanted to be play test cricket they would make themselves available better off concentrating on players who want to play despite how flawed they are and hope one of them come off.
8 to 10 test matches is more than enough time to see how good a player is .

Sorry for bringing this upp agan.

Windies is a struggling test team.
With a can't bat captain,
an unsurety as VC (Dasilva and Alzarri)
There need to be some serious thinking outside the box.

How many top test teams insist that their players play their first class season.
How many games have Stokes, Anderson, Broad etc played over the last few years?
How many games have Kholi, Sharma played?
I am referring to their local first class competition.

Windies brought in the rules in the 80's when the likes of Greenidge etc
were not playing Shell Shield and making the test team.
I wonder how the team was performing during those times...hmmmm?

Windies need to think outside the box.
They must find a way to play their nest players.
Players are refusing central contracts, which minimize their obligation to the CWI.
Look at what the Paks Board doing to their players with NOC's.

This is not an argument for Hope as cappo,
just an argument for Hope and Pooran to be test players.

In reply to TanteMerle

Comparing us to England is so off. How many FC matches did these English players play even before being selected. And why would a proven performer at the highest level need to play FC to keep his place. Hope lost form and was dropped. Seems to have gained that back and lots of confidence. In writing what came to mind, Hope is the exception, most players dropped, fade away, he has reinvented himself. And he has played FC cricket and performed.

In reply to natty_forever

I agree that comparison is not always fair.
However, my point is that we need to get the best players in the test team.
Pooran and Hope are out two best batsmen.
They are proven at white ball.

Same way CWI gave exemptions to Gayle and Fatwall for fitness,
thy need to set up some sort of exemption for Hope and Pooran.

Even King plays red ball when available and do no not get a look in.

CWI rules and stubbornness negatively impacting them.

In reply to TanteMerle

Hope need no exemption, he qualifies for sele tion. Does Pooran want to play Test Cricket?

King qualifies as well.

In reply to natty_forever

That's the route they all have to go so him cyah jess come tek spot like dat,mek him wuk furit.

Johnny Grave in a recent interview said cwi should look to move on from.Hope and Pooran in red ball cricket. I get the impression cwi feel like they got a clear message from the 2

i think good performances in any form of international cricket (not franchise cricket of course) should qualify you for the test team if you are interested in playing test cricket. That message should be sent early so that perhaps certain players may be a little more selective of committing to franchises when WI have test cricket matches. Let us be real. It is more than likely that those who play FC cricket now only do so because they have no other choice to try to get into the test team and get international recognition so as to be scouted. Nothing at all wrong with that in this year of Our Lord 2024. WI, of all test playing nations, has to be realistic because our test team has gone nowhere for the past 20 years

In reply to doosra

That’s why the format is not competitive for WI

The best players don’t want to play it.

The players who commit themselves to red ball cricket are subject to the whims and fancies of the selectors.

Jermaine Blackwood could have gone the white ball route. He has the skill set to do so. Instead, he CHOSE to dedicate himself to red ball cricket.

Despite having no worse, and in some cases a better record than his “competition”, he’s now sidelined from red ball cricket.

Think the best players like Pooran, Hope, King etc don’t pay attention to that? Think that things like that don’t factor into their decision making?

Hope is at the point in his career where test cricket is thankfully a distant memory.

He's reached the pinnacle in his game - excelling in t20!

Why wish the crushing yoke of test cricket pon him?

In reply to imusic

Have you examined Blackwood's white ball cricket.

For one so aggressive in red ball, he was extremely poor at white ball.

He was very below average in red ball as well.

I like Blackwood, but something really wrong with his game.

A very good fielder, a so-so bowler, and an average batsman.

I am not sure that he chose red-ball, as opposed to did not qualify for white ball teams.

Why so much craving for players, who are not very keen on Red ball cricket......There are chalk and cheese difference between red ball players and white ball players......

A red ball player can surely excel in white ball......but seldom the reverse.... very few, player can come from white ball to test.....

West Indies has very good young talents both batters and bowlers.....

Give these 10-12 players, at least 3 years Central contract...groom them to be good test players..... with provision to play IPL & CPL.....in addition one more league......

A consistent selection process and policy......

A robust player development program......

A transparent appointment of team management.....

A set of trained and competent back room staffs.......

In two years time, we will be competing with the best....

https://www.cricketweb.net/modern-day-cricketers-are-pampered-a-bit-too-much-dennis-waight/



Cupboard are full with talents......only arrange to accordingly.....