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Great Batsmen are only in Test Cricket! If you cannot master Test cricket you are no great!

Can I get a Amen?

Half of the T20 Batsmen cannot tell you when last they saw 3 slips and a gully lol.

pulls chair (jumpy thing)

Same for t20 bowlers?

In reply to doosraWell T20 bowlers yes they are great ones not the pelter though.

In reply to voiceofreason

So to clarify you can have great t20 bowlers but not great t20 batters?

Maybe if a batsman from Leewards or Windwards were to first actually earn an IPL contract, and then be successful, then vor will change he tune

In reply to doosra

Dottie reasonings

In reply to doosra

Due to the game being so manufactured to favor batsmen yes if a bowler excels in this game he has to be great.

In reply to imusic

Our focus is on greatness. Great batsmen are not found in T20 cricket.

There is a reason why Pooran, Lewis and the like will never find themselves playing FC or Test cricket. It too hard for them and will expose their technical deficiencies.

In reply to voiceofreason

Amen and again I say AMEN.

In reply to voiceofreason

So what if a great test player is a great t20 player

In reply to methodic

He is a great batsman playing t20

In reply to ducks

T20 is a different game than test. There can be great t20 batsmen. They don't have to be great in any other form.

In reply to methodic

He is a great test Batsman playing T20 as his greatness came from his exploits in Test cricket.

Great batsmen currently:

Root
Williamson
Kohli
Smith

In reply to methodic There are no great T20 batsmen. Mastery of T20 does not a great one make.

Give me 5 great T20 innings?

In reply to voiceofreason

Good Posit.

AMEN!

Great STRIKERS OF THE BALL , sure.

Hand eye coordination- sure?

Greatness is batting for an entire day and over coming odds and winning matches ...so yes.

I accept your parameters.

In reply to powen001
You have defined greatness in test cricket. Greatness in t20 is totally different.

In reply to voiceofreason

Saying there's no great t20 batsmen is like saying there is no sprinter that is a great runner because he can't run a marathon.

In reply to methodic

Again there is no greatness in T20 batsmanship. I asked you a simple question to name 5 great T20 innings and you dodged the question. The T20 game is too short, too fixed to the advantage of batsmen to allow for any batsman to be considered great.

Pooran can never be great. Evin Lewis and Shai Hope will never be great as they have never exhibited greatness at the test level.

In reply to ducks

He is a great test batsman who happens to be playing T20 lickit cricket.

In reply to voiceofreason

Again you are synchronizing t20 batting with test batting. It is two different disciplines. Gayle, Dhoni, Russell, Pollard and more have played five or more great t20 innings.

What about test greats who wouldn't perform or are 'not suited' for T20s because of....um limitations ? What does that say about the format ? Could it be that T20 batsmen are just not suited for tests but can be great in their own right (format) ?

What about great captains in T20? Any of those?

Great is probably one of the adjectives most overused in modern times.

In terms of sports, it is thrown around like confetti.

The term should be reserved for those who perform at the highest level, for a sustained amount of time. Not some flat track bully in kiddie cricket whack-it-ball wearing pyjamas under flashing lights with cheerleaders. As a rule, if something is polished up to such an extent, the product is usually lacking. Think about that...for cricket is a thinking man's game...

In reply to bravos

Good point but what test greats? I have listed four test greats of the current Era: Kohli, Williamson, Root and Smith and all have excelled at T20IS. Now for the reverse any alleged great T20I batsmen have excelled in Tests to be considered great?

In reply to imusic

You have taken the words right out of my mouth,I am still going to say what you've said,If Pooran was from one ah de Dots he wouldn't say that.did VOR think about saying that when Gayle and especially the Saffie was tearing bowlers apart,don't remember his name now,VOR has been bigging up Mykyle Louis though, for making 50,if was 100...God knows.

In reply to granite One thing for sure I would have never called him GREAT. Pollard would never be considered a great batsman and the same will go for Pooran and any other batsman who excels in T20 cricket at the expense of Test cricket.


I might big up Louis for a good T20 knock but you would never hear me calling him great.

In reply to methodic

When? Where? What do you consider great? Club cricket you talking about or international cricket?

People does just throw the word great around for anything these days...

In reply to voiceofreason

T20 is bear entertainment... nothing to add

Didn't Bishop say Pooran was the greatest T20 player in the world during the just concluded SA t20 series?

Formats....

Test cricket strategies focus on patience, building innings, and maintaining pressure, while T20 strategies prioritize aggression, quick scoring, and adaptability.
Each format requires teams to develop unique game plans tailored to the specific demands of that format.

Both formats showcase different skill sets.

Test players may excel in patience and technique, while T20 players often excel in aggression and innovation.
Ultimately, the "best" player can vary based on personal preference and the criteria used for evaluation.

In reply to voiceofreason

What about Gayle?

In reply to voiceofreason

Never a dull moment with you around.

In reply to voiceofreason

Ow man.

Two different formats ...same critera cannot apply.

Sure there will be commonalities, but each format is geared towards a different pace of play

In reply to voiceofreason

No. The man is being T20 specific. He is referred to as a batsman. There are benchmarks here as well for greatness. You old fart

And that benchmark is Pooran.

In reply to natty_forever

Again you cannot be a great in a format that is skewed to your advantage. That alone disqualifies one from greatness.

Next!

In reply to voiceofreason

Gayle is highly ranked as a test opening batsman among the greats. And a t20 great as well

In reply to googley

Are you suggesting that Gayle is a great Batsman as he is ranked among the greats? Then if he is a great test batsman then clearly that is why he excelled in the T20 format.

In reply to methodic

I see yuh.

convince me by telling me how you establish yourself as T20 Great?

but let me say this...

Poorans consistency and ability to unmekk ( dominate all bowlers) is my first example TOWARDS earning such.

A Bowler - I would like to say Narine has established himself... but the niggling * is always next to his name...

Am I making sense along your parameters?

In reply to voiceofreason

I have said this numerous times.
There is a format in golf called the Long Drive, no one calls a Long Drive player, a Golfer.
T20 cricket is similar to the Sunday afternoon I saw as a boy the only difference is that it came at a time, when most of the Sunday players I saw as a boy, are all dead.

In reply to voiceofreason

Huh. Rubbish

I can bet if a Dot was up, the VONR would say different.

In reply to powen001

Makes sense to me.

In reply to openning

Smh. Get over it. I guessing it will not be called cricket in the Olympics.

In reply to natty_forever

Why does India have four teams playing 4-day matches?
Check the links below and see India A vs India B and India C vs India D.
india-a-vs-india-b-1st-match/full-scorecard

india-c-vs-india-d-2nd-match-1445833/full-scorecard

In reply to voiceofreason

Amen

The format is geared to power-hitting, not batsmanship.

In reply to natty_forever

Batsmanship in T20 is replaced with Power-hitters.
Which player playing T20 cricket focuses during practice is not hitting the long ball?

In reply to openning

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Oh boy Opening you have to say it that bluntly?

In reply to voiceofreason

I have to agree with your lead post here ....

In reply to Kay

Why?

Why a feel if Poo was a Dot...

As in red ball a 50 average is the benchmark. And only 2 batmen can claim such achievement. Pooran is not one of them.

And the same goes for the bowlers. An Average below 25.

So this begs the question. Why is it that the majority of T20 runs when the field is restricted?

In reply to openning

Very good example using the Golf Analogy.

*tips hat

In reply to powen001

It is not. How much people know of a long shot. But the world know about T20

In reply to voiceofreason

You see what you cause, you and your old farts!

In reply to natty_forever

T20 is a fast form of cricket, with 120 balls.
The West Indies style is based on Power-hitting, that why fans like you will jump and wave in one match and cuss players the next set of matches.
Why are there so many dot balls?
Are you aware that opening a bat face is a key factor in getting the ball into gaps, and no risk is needed?

Dynamic.....

Cricket has changed over the years.....

First..Rules & Regulations....then
Formats...Test ...ODI...T20...T10...

Very few can excel in all formats....But to excel ODI...T20..T10....players must play red ball cricket...red ball cricket is basic rule book of cricket...

We say West Indies has great white ball cricketers but the results in white ball international since 2019.....says something else....

Be that as it may.....All three formats can have greats...
But , the player, who excel in red ball gets the cherry & name in cricket history....rest also ran.....

Michael Bevan is an example....how many present generation knows him.....
Surely, knows Steve Waugh....his tussle with Ambi ..his world cup heroics ...

In reply to Onionman0

Virender Sehwag, is the inventor of strokes in the t20 format.
Glenn Maxwell bring every shot from the golf course to the white ball format.

These two I admire, West Indies batsman rely on power, which is risky, and create a number of dot balls.

In reply to openning

Name some of the shots from the golf course. From watching the game all i can see is the straight drive ......