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Trump rallies- what you won’t see on MS media
sudden
2024-09-13 16:50:34
Alarming to say the least
I am a journalist and researcher working on a book about the psychology of the MAGA movement and the far right. I have been immersed in far-right internet forums for nearly a decade, studying how people are radicalized and identifying when there is a potential for violence. Even as a trained, objective observer, there are days when the bigotry, conspiracy theories, misogyny and hate speech in those spaces overwhelms me. But I also know online vitriol does not always reflect offline reality.
The conversations I’ve had over the last three months have made it clear to me that there is a large, unified movement committed to the destruction of American democracy. This campaign claims to want to save our country — to make it great again — but it is working to do exactly the opposite. These rally goers cheerfully and earnestly call themselves “patriots,” but true patriotism is nothing like the hateful, authoritarian, anti-institutional platform they support, and I believe many of these people do not grasp this — or how they are being used.
They aren’t alone. While the people I’ve spoken with are more extreme in their beliefs than your average Republican, the polls tell us that many others have been duped into believing that Trump-style fascism is worth accepting if it can deliver a return to “better days.” This is terrifying. The more we can learn about why people have joined this camp — their troubles, their worries, their needs and their wants — the better chance we have of addressing the real change that needs to happen. Having a conversation with people who live and think much differently than we do — and listening deeply to what they’re saying — isn’t going to magically make everything better, but it’s a good place to start.
Halliwell
2024-09-13 17:18:06
In reply to sudden
Nice article; thank you
Courtesy
2024-09-13 19:23:52
“Is he an asshole? Sure. But he’s our asshole,”
This sums it up adequately. I say they are a herd of simpletons whose thinking power has retrogressed.
sudden
2024-09-13 20:35:49
In reply to Courtesy
I want to feel sorry for them but I really can’t
I just can’t
powen001
2024-09-13 21:07:43
In reply to sudden
Any sight of those Conservative VALUES that "InBlindSight" keeps talking about?
BeatDball
2024-09-13 21:19:20
sudden
2024-09-13 21:19:34
In reply to powen001
Take a guess or even a guest
JayMor
2024-09-13 21:26:27
In reply to sudden
Yup! Sobering. Let's hope the Justice Dep't and FBI will be on top of their game.
--Æ.
Courtesy
2024-09-14 12:10:37
nick2020
2024-09-14 12:34:50
In reply to Courtesy
Thanks.
I love the aspect of the debate. We should not dismiss MAGA as a fad and blame it on dumb people.
America has some complex issues.
Courtesy
2024-09-14 12:43:04
In reply to nick2020
You're welcome.
One thing is pellucidly clear(I hate this phrase) and said by the film's director Dan Partland "person who are in Trump's grip will never watch this documentary."
Don't expect the dilettantes here to view it.
Courtesy
2024-09-14 12:53:17
In reply to nick2020
I have always held firmly to George Odlum's philosophy that "education must teach people to look at premises and arrive at conclusions arising out of these premises...so it's the process of reasoning.
Persons who don't have the power of reasoning are uneducated. and I say this endearingly devoid of any malice.
It must also be said that for one to arrive at a conclusion the premises must be correct. Too many persons here come to a conclucion using false premises. I usually ignore these arguments. There is a thread here titled Prima Facie which is beyond belief.
I have said enough.
velo
2024-09-14 13:35:13
I have always found how it interesting these people are so drawn to him from apalachia to rural parts and anywhere in between . You would think trump would be everything these people would not like a silver spooned new york elitist who was given everything in life who certainly does not share their religious or moral values of the world and has shown a disdain for blue collar workers.
nick2020
2024-09-14 13:56:07
In reply to velo
You would think trump would be everything these people would not like a silver spooned new york elitist who was given everything in life who certainly does not share their religious or moral values of the world and has shown a disdain for blue collar workers.
Trump is different. I think of it more from the Reality TV era.
Rich people have failed in the past in elective politics with the very popular Michael Bloomberg being the most recent. It is something about this Kardashian era that makes Trump "The Apprentice" different. In this era you just do not have to be brilliant or talented; you just have to be able to entertain the masses.
When I look at Trump rallies I honestly think a smaller aspect that is driving his success is how well the merchants do peddling souvenirs. They love Trump because they are commercially successful piggybacking on the spectacle. But yes a part of it is he gave the racists a voice. A part of it is he gave the nationalists a voice. A part of it is he gave the evangelicals a voice. A part of it is he gave people who feel forgotten by society a voice. A billionaire thrice married and currently to an immigrant.
What a world we live in.
sudden
2024-09-14 14:17:12
In reply to nick2020
And those people were always fodder as they are now. They were encouraged / allowed to come over to the states from a dreary existence in Europe. They were used to get rid of the natives, to open up the west, to deal with and catch slaves. And when all was settled the rich moved in and the rest is history.
Trump is just repeating what always has been done. The poor and ignorant is to be exploited. Sometimes willingly and at their own insistence
Like I always say- most people are foolish. That is why the earth is as it is
And also remember what LBJ said-
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
VIX
2024-09-14 15:38:49
Shocking! All this is new stuff!! Breaking misfit news!!!
#delusional.
nick2020
2024-09-14 15:51:32
In reply to VIX
You been to any of the rallies?
VIX
2024-09-14 16:10:21
In reply to nick2020
Been to all in Trinidad!!
Walco
2024-09-14 17:04:22
In reply to Courtesy and nick2020
Good discussion.
During the debate on Tuesday, Harris said in support of the argument that the 2020 election was free and fair that Trump lost 67 lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 election. Trump then responded that all of those cases were lost on the issue of standing (a legal technicality) not on the merits. I do not know if all 67 cases were dismissed based on standing, but let's assume that is true. Some of the judges who dismissed those cases for lack of standing were appointed by Trump, and the United States Supreme Court refused to entertain any of those cases on appeal.
Instead of accepting what Trump said as gospel, an educated non-lawyer viewing that debate might have asked why did judges who were appointed by Trump rule against him or his proxies in those cases. The simple answer is that the parties who actually had legal standing to challenge the results of the 2020 election refused to bring cases because they already knew there was no election fraud that would have changed the results. So the only option available to Trump and his proxies was to bring lawsuits challenging the election using plaintiffs who lacked legal standing.
By the way, I am still trying to figure out why the people who engaged in election fraud to steal the 2020 election from Trump did not do the same to other Republicans. For example, why would an election fixer in Georgia steal the election from Trump and not Marjorie Taylor Green when both candidates were on the same ballot? These are the types of questions intelligent people would ask.
Courtesy
2024-09-14 17:15:45
In reply to Walco
Yep. In fact, most of the lawsuits were not about widespread voter fraud but minor voting infractions and they were generally dismissed by the courts thru lack of evidence.
nick2020
2024-09-14 17:19:01
In reply to Walco
These are the types of questions intelligent people would ask.
Do you think this era is conducive to critical thinking?
AI doing everyone's homework certainly won't help.
Walco
2024-09-14 18:22:07
In reply to Courtesy
I did not follow those cases closely because they were obviously meritless. But if you are a lawyer and a court tells you that your client does not have legal standing to bring the claim you are pursuing, there is a simple solution. Find a client who legal has standing. The fact that Trump and his lawyers could not get anyone with standing to participate in his sham lawsuits speaks volumes.
Walco
2024-09-14 18:27:28
In reply to nick2020
Do you think this era is conducive to critical thinking?
Certainly not, and most people who think they are engaging in critical thinking miss the mark by some distance.
Regarding AI, my daughter had a law school criminal law assignment last year and I put the question into ChatGPT. The answer it produced was pure garbage that likely would have gotten an F. I can only hope ChatGPT has improved since then.
Halliwell
2024-09-14 21:01:47
In reply to Walco
Bro I ask msn copilot how many working days in June or July and it say 200something. I say it can’t be that and the damn AI say sorry about that is actually 20something. Now which fool sitting down behind that AI tag?
