MAN Management yet?
I asking cause the way the Kings dealt with us , The Royals and all others the past few matches indicates that Sammy is employing some extra science into this thing.
but what do I know-
yall think Coach Sammy bringing anything else....He has nt clapped much so it cant be that usual comment...
but let me stop talking and see if I making sense or not...according to the MB 
Message Board Archives
Anybody willing to put Value on Sammys
2024-09-24 22:18:48
2024-09-24 22:21:17
In reply to powen001
No doubt about it
You get Sammy the right set of guys, he makes it work
Champion fella
2024-09-24 22:23:41
In reply to Halliwell
2024-09-24 22:26:04
In reply to Halliwell
see dat lololol.
so how come no other captains in recent times have been able to do what he has done?
with that same men or even better?
want me to dig up the stats orrrrr
2024-09-24 22:26:45
and further...appears to be doing here in this years CPL.
dont let your eyes deceive you.
2024-09-24 22:28:56
In reply to powen001
10am games, all Indian owned Teams. I thought it just had bookie written all over it!!!
But I’m willing to listen to your theory or be proven wrong lol
2024-09-24 22:51:00
In reply to WIfan26
HA HA HA HA .
theory?
which other coach you see as involved as Sammy whole tournament?
ah mean..I was waitin for one of you to say he gone from clapping to scribbling non stop.
Same sun burn up Kings burning up TKR and the rest..
And I watched over the match today-
TKR was dominated today and dare I say it outfoxed too-
Sammy has something about his overachieving unqualified uncertified self that just keeps on ....winning.
I would say dont underestimate him or the value he brings
2024-09-24 23:40:53
In reply to powen001
You think Pep could take Guyana to the World Cup?
You think if you put Sammy in charge of Arsenal that he wouldn’t stop winning?
Look, without any confusing qualification, Sammy is a borse
2024-09-25 00:18:51
In reply to powen001
but what do I know-
Nada
2024-09-25 00:27:32
Scammy couldn't take WI to quarter finals of T20 world cup after bragging WI will win the whole thing. The jury still out on Scammy.
What is excellent is Johnson Charles switch hitting man has wrists of steel. Gordon Greenidge invented switch hitting. Charles master it.
2024-09-25 01:09:01
In reply to powen001
Do up the stats on the CPL....
With CWI he had a group of tremendously skilled players....
Even Boycott's mother-in-law could have won leading those teams
Leadership is shown when you have someone showing what needs to happen and then doing something about it by their skills...
2024-09-25 01:50:14
In reply to powen001
Sammy is a rubbish coach with a script. The World Cup proved that
2024-09-25 11:06:50
In reply to sgtdjones
With CWI he had a group of tremendously skilled players....
Even Boycott's mother-in-law could have won leading those teams
Sour and ungrateful.
You could say that possibly if he won 1 World Cup but 2 no. Pollard - 0 World Cups as Captain. Bravo -0.
Sammy is the greatest West Indian cricket leader since Viv- Squeeze dat like a pillow and run with it! since the turn of the decade, five straight seasons we have made the playoffs with two final appearances. The nucleus of this team has been together for a while ie: JC, FAF, Aljo, Chase and Wiese.
2024-09-25 15:05:25
You only have to ingest some of the nonsense that has played out in the public, post worldcup wins to understand some of the crap behind the scenes that stymied Windies success in the past. It makes you appreciate (in a fair world), the desperate need for leadership that was required and what Sammy has been able to achieve.
Exhibit 1
Sextillion vs the Badmind DJ
Exhibit 2
Di Self Proclaimer v Di 'Snake'
These guys were their own worst enemies from a team perspective. They desperately needed the 'right' leadership. Sammy brought that. Who doan like it could lump it. No amount of sneaking around hoping for Windies to lose for a whole tournament and then showing your face when they actually lose can change the facts. Evidence trumps wishful thinking every time.
We came pretty close to a semi-final place in last worldcup too, we lost but, we had a bit of bad luck with the weather in terms of momentum in that RSA match...even so, it came down to the wire. I don't expect the haters to acknowledge it though.
2024-09-25 15:13:35
In reply to Cheeks
Yeah…..we came close to qualifying for the 50 over World Cup too…..but barely lost when Scotland and Ireland scraped through against us 
2024-09-25 15:40:45
In reply to imusic
Speaks to your secret confidence in Sammy. You expected a miracle so early in his tenure as coach. You're a closet fan.
You ever hear the saying...culture eats strategy for lunch? Well culture change takes time.
I live it everyday in my paid gig.
2024-09-25 16:51:11
So wait let me understand the thought process.
SLK winnings so it is because of de head coach Scammy.
De other Dottie team get cus-asses,
So Ambi is wha kind ah coach?
Asking fa a friend.
2024-09-25 16:52:23
In reply to voiceofreason
Sammy is the greatest West Indian cricket leader since Viv- Squeeze dat like a pillow and run with it! since the turn of the decade, five straight seasons we have made the playoffs with two final appearances. The nucleus of this team has been together for a while ie: JC, FAF, Aljo, Chase and Wiese.
If he is, so what did he win in the CPL?
2024-09-25 18:31:50
In reply to sgtdjones
Viv wasn’t a good captain. Tactically one of the best captains ever but leading a cricket team is more than that. Sammy and Viv in the same convo bordering on blasphemy. Sammy had the best t20 players in the world available to him and most of the team had IPL and CLt20 experience behind them when we won the first World Cup. And Darren Ganga had already showed the West Indies how to beat international t20 opponents, down to the use of the leg spinner in the power play which was virtually unheard of as the idea had been abandoned since Martin Crowe had used Deepak Patel in the Power play in the 92 World Cup. Sammy is an imposter. He beat an NZ team rife with division, some of it racial in tests and that is his only claim to fame. Beating Bangladesh was supposed to happen, and we were embarrassed in England and lost to a poor Aussie side in 2012 at home
2024-09-25 19:40:52
In reply to Jumpstart
Hahahahaha. Jumpy yuh'z a rell comedian bai.
2024-09-25 19:41:58
In reply to voiceofreason
VOR
On the smaller stage where you don’t have ready made superstars to win rings for you in your sleep, your leadership is examined more closely
CPL titles:
Bravs- some
Polly- some
Sammy-none
2024-09-25 20:06:25
In reply to voiceofreason
Squeeze dat like a pillow and run with it!
You coming out with some classics these days
2024-09-25 20:25:51
In reply to powen001
When I saw your headline I was not sure where you were heading it....I was expecting this....
Anybody willing to put Value on Sammys .....
Clapping!!!
2024-09-25 20:37:07
In reply to googley
Clapping!!!
dude is the greatest clapper of any cappo in cricket anywhere......come to think of it he's the only one. never saw waugh or ponting or clive or viv or chappel(s) or racist cronje do that. imran was way too aristocratic for clapping as well
2024-09-25 20:40:55
In reply to powen001
but let me stop talking and see if I making sense or not...according to the MB
Sammy is hated here so what do you expect? A reasonable discussion?
2024-09-25 21:03:33
In reply to Cheeks
You only have to ingest some of the nonsense that has played out in the public, post worldcup wins to understand some of the crap behind the scenes that stymied Windies success in the past. It makes you appreciate (in a fair world), the desperate need for leadership that was required and what Sammy has been able to achieve.
Exhibit 1
Sextillion vs the Badmind DJ
Exhibit 2
Di Self Proclaimer v Di 'Snake'
These guys were their own worst enemies from a team perspective. They desperately needed the 'right' leadership. Sammy brought that. Who doan like it could lump it. No amount of sneaking around hoping for Windies to lose for a whole tournament and then showing your face when they actually lose can change the facts. Evidence trumps wishful thinking every time.
We came pretty close to a semi-final place in last worldcup too, we lost but, we had a bit of bad luck with the weather in terms of momentum in that RSA match...even so, it came down to the wire. I don't expect the haters to acknowledge it though.
Exhibit 1
Sextillion vs the Badmind DJ
Exhibit 2
Di Self Proclaimer v Di 'Snake'
These guys were their own worst enemies from a team perspective. They desperately needed the 'right' leadership. Sammy brought that. Who doan like it could lump it. No amount of sneaking around hoping for Windies to lose for a whole tournament and then showing your face when they actually lose can change the facts. Evidence trumps wishful thinking every time.
We came pretty close to a semi-final place in last worldcup too, we lost but, we had a bit of bad luck with the weather in terms of momentum in that RSA match...even so, it came down to the wire. I don't expect the haters to acknowledge it though.
In the dottieland, they get tv, radio and internet after 2009? Sammy's appointment as captain in teams he wasn't even a regular in(and none at all in tests) was the culmination of the windward island hydra's fight with Chris gayle and jerome taylor, and by extension bravo, pollard and sarwan. Gayle and bravo were always close friends. sarwan was regularly in TT because his best friends in cricket were from here.Amazon warriors last year shared a video with pollard, bravo, narine, bishoo and sarwan meeting up after one of the games at providence and showing flashbacks of them playing together in WI colors. So the t20 teams that we sent up were not disunited or needed some kinda messiah-like figurehead to get the team to gel. all the stars were very close friends and the only person who wasn't close to them was samuels and he wasn't even liked by his fellow JA teammates.
What the west indies lacked in 2009 and 2010 was IPL experience. bravo and pollard both got ipl contracts out of their performances in the 2009 champions league where trinidad reached the final and changed how t20s were played in the process. I think sammy was playing under waste of floyd Reifer's second string team vs bangladesh while the tournament was going on. So too did adrian bharath and lendl simmons. And that tournament took place after the 2009 wt20 where we reached the semifinal but lost to an amazing sri lanka team that bamboozled everyone except pakistan in the final. in 2010 we lost to australia after dirk nannes had bowled gayle first ball in the quarterfinals. by 2012....rampaul, bravo, gayle, narine, edwards, pollard, samuels and russell all had at least one ipl season under them. in fact the only people who didn't have ipl experience were sammy, badree, ramdin, lendl and charles. and ramdin, lendle and badree had already been to the champions league twice, a tournament as hard or even harder than the ipl. That's the reason we won. we had a team not only of powerhitters but a team that had experience that wasn't there in 2009 and 2010. the experience of playing in different conditions and playing under pressure all the time. sammy was almost negligible in the entire equation
2024-09-25 22:08:23
In reply to Cheeks
These guys were their own worst enemies from a team perspective. They desperately needed the 'right' leadership. Sammy brought that. Who doan like it could lump it. No amount of sneaking around hoping for Windies to lose for a whole tournament and then showing your face when they actually lose can change the facts. Evidence trumps wishful thinking every time.
There is some truth here...
it will go down like SHARK OIL and BUCKLEYS ...but its the truth and its good for us all.
I standing by my premise that Sammy brings value
2024-09-25 22:10:18
In reply to nick2020
Sammy is hated here so what do you expect? A reasonable discussion?
KICKS N GIGGLES??
On a serious note..
If posters would examine WHY they detest Sammy...then perhaps we could get somewhere...but that will call for maturity and honest with self chatter...men dont like that unless they drunk ...but this is THE RUM SHOP...ent?
2024-09-25 22:30:30
In reply to powen001
it had no bajans on the team sop you would not know. dwayne smith didn't even make the starting xi of the 2012 tea. How could Chris Gayle, the first captain to beat wi england in a series in 11 years, the first and only wi cappo to win a test in south africa ever and the first wi captain to not lose in nz in 13 years be a poor captain and not a leader of men? sammy brought nothing to that side but evangelical enthusiasm which was a mask for the fact that he was the worst player on he team.
2024-09-25 22:42:34
In reply to Jumpstart
Jumpy...you should try standup.
2024-09-25 23:37:03
In reply to powen001
If posters would examine WHY they detest Sammy
Because he became the poster child for the ills of West Indies Cricket? A player that many felt was not good enough to make the team and for the people with a deep seated agenda a WICB's lackey. So he could do not right (not get any credit for wins) and he could do plenty wrong (hide from bowling even though he batted with the tail).
We have had some poor captains - Lara, Shiv, Gayle - who were all could command a spot on the team (remember this became the fan's mantra). I never considered Sammy a poor captain. And initially he certainly was a good enough bowler to make the team on that merit. His batting was not pleasing to watch but he certainly came good a few times for us.
I thank him for being an instrumental part of the success of our 2010's T20 cricket. He is no great but he helped bring some joy back to WI cricket.
2024-09-25 23:39:17
In reply to powen001
Btw Jumpy could find 10 pages of fault with Sammy but blind to Pollard.
Where is the credibility in that?
2024-09-25 23:44:06
In reply to nick2020
We have had some poor captains - Lara, Shiv, Gayle - who were all could command a spot on the team (remember this became the fan's mantra). I never considered Sammy a poor captain. And initially he certainly was a good enough bowler to make the team on that merit. His batting was not pleasing to watch but he certainly came good a few times for us.
brian lara didn't draw with the best team in the world as captain, didn't win the champions trophy in 2004 and reach the finals of the next tournament? Gayle, as stated earlier was the first wi captain in 11 years to beat the english in a test series.
2024-09-25 23:45:10
In reply to Cheeks
you should start to communicate in language instead of unintelligible grunts
2024-09-25 23:47:57
In reply to Jumpstart
Yeah. You tie up yourself in knots and get sensitive when you allow hate to overpower reason, logic and evidence.
All you doing is frustrating yourself while Sammy out there breaking records and bringing joy to genuine WI fans....even post retirement.
2024-09-25 23:48:13
In reply to Jumpstart
He was still a poor Captain.
2024-09-25 23:54:18
In reply to nick2020
then that must mean sammy was a poor captain because he lost to a poor aussie team, could not beat a poor pakistan team. beaten twice by india, home and abroad and embarrassed in England. as i stated sammy's only claims are the world cups and the nz win here in 2012 against a team that was racially divided. then he got hammered by india during sachin's farewell series and battered in nz again in 2013, the only saving graces being a double ton by bravo and a century by ramdin
2024-09-26 00:16:23
In reply to powen001
Sammy has West Indies analyst in his squad.
2024-09-26 01:10:17
In reply to Jumpstart
The big outfield excuse for Polly shoulda be my lesson with you. Your justifications get sillier with every post ...you know why?? Because you refuse to believe results and hard data.
2024-09-26 01:27:01
In reply to Jumpstart
yuh know- Nick unravel you real easy.
You like Imusic and some other choice Trinis does only see that red flag with a black stripe...
that you talking to me and believe that you are NOT shooting yourself in the foot bout No Bajans on the team foolishness...
Sammy for ALLL his obvious limitations has surpassed MANY better skilled, prepared and talented players in his era- simply the facts.
That Everyone recognizes his man management skills and verbally say so...apparently means diddly for yall and thats sad.
I am a huge Lara fan but Lara sucked in the leadership department.
I am a huge Gayle fan and I thought Gayle got some rotten ends of the stick handed to him-
Sammy got what he got... " A chance" and has never looked back but built on it.
I dont argue with the plain facts or romanticize for my Starboys either.
2024-09-26 01:40:00
In reply to powen001
Y’all wasting so much time and energy discussing a worthless cricketer like Scammy.
2024-09-26 03:33:19
In reply to powen001
Sammy for ALLL his obvious limitations has surpassed MANY better skilled, prepared and talented players in his era- simply the facts. Sammy got what he got... " A chance" and has never looked back but built on it.
and that is the issue genius. the massive decline in west indian performances can be attributed to sammy's ascension and the behaviors of the board that caused it. Sammy could not make the teams in any of the three formats. yet he was appointed captain. the facts are that sammy was beaten by india, home and away in an era where india was being whitewashed wherever they went. in 2011 alone, they were whitewashed by england and australia. next he was beaten by australia here in the caribbean, probably the weakest aussie team to visit our shores in decades. he beat a divided nz side after the world cup. we know this because ross taylor described the environment as toxic in his autobiography and yes, racism did come into the picture. the next year we lost to nz and india in sachin's makeshift farewell series. those are marked declines from what happened under gayle. We beat england for the first time in 11 years, we did not lose in nz for the first time in 13 years. we beat south africa for the very first time in a test match in SA.
Sammy inherited the side with the best t20 players in the world and a clear template to win t20 games on the subcontinent. You don't need much more than that. Gayle was by far the best t20 player batsman in the word, bravo was its premiere allrounder and pollard and narine had gained ipl experience. Trinidad's red force had changed the way t20 cricket is played and sammy just took that script. he was still using that script in 2024, hence the fact that we could only beat one full member. The players who didn't have ipl experience had champions league experience, that would be ramdin, rampaul, badree and simmons. by 2016, russell had ipl experience and it showed in that world cup. my dog could have captained that team and won the tournament.
the dottie contraption that appointed him damaged west indies cricket in so many ways. firstly, the exiling of gayle and the destruction of sarwan's career by the the ugly coach(and we can only assume he had the boards support because they never dissented and yes sarwan came back but he was clearly shot by that time and a very good cricketing career had been ended by west indian pig headedness that is seen way too often) set the same template for the destruction of Darren Bravo's career as well. every time we had a batsman who could bat, his career has been cut short so now we are left with glaring incompetence in the top and middle order. I feel though that Carty will buck that trend. he can actually bat. Dwayne Bravo's test career ended when this talentless joker became captain because he needed a space and could not make the team other than being captain.
proof of sammy's lack of any kind of captaincy/coaching credentials is that when presented with a team of less quality than the WI t20 team, he's won nothing. Ramdin won 3 caribbean t20 titles and captained the warriors to 2 cpl finals. Dwayne bravo won 4 cpl titles with two seperate franchises. pollard has won 2 cpl titles and reached two finals as captain. Chris gayle has won two cpl titles, rovman powell has a cpl title as captain, even Einstein jason holder, the worst captain since richardson has a cpl title. sammy has reached one final and that is it. nothing as captain, nothing as coach.
i know you won't agree with me because a generation of talentless bajans were the recipients of the second string team formula that started when sammy was appointed cappo.
2024-09-26 03:37:01
In reply to SnoopDog
Scammy
excellent description
2024-09-26 03:40:26
In reply to powen001
I am a huge Lara fan but Lara sucked in the leadership department.
I am a huge Gayle fan and I thought Gayle got some rotten ends of the stick handed to him-
I am a huge Gayle fan and I thought Gayle got some rotten ends of the stick handed to him-
proof is in the pudding. before shamar, josh, mckenzie and hodge beat australia in brisbane, the last time a west indian team did not lose to Australia or any #1 ranked team was in march and april 1999. the captain then was Brian Charles Lara....who made over 500 runs in 7 innings at an avg of 90. He also won an ICC champions trophy and reached the final of another. In both tournaments, young west indian players came of age. Sarwan was named as the best young player of the 2004 champions trophy and player of the tournament. Gayle was player of the tournament two years later when we reached the final. Yes lara could be moody, everyone know's that. but to say he was a poor captain when only gayle can compare to his achievements is comical and makes no sense. I've spoken about Gayle's accomplishments. And gayle was well on his way to being the best WI captain since clive and viv before the board shot themselves in the foot
2024-09-26 04:04:04
In reply to powen001
It's simple: post the amazing stats of Sammy leadership in the CPL...
WE await.....
2024-09-26 05:02:56
In reply to powen001
Head Coach in franchisee and international team.....two totally different........ comparison between two ....chalk and cheese......
Franchisee team is built around few very good/ great foreign T20 players..... with some locals....club and international players..... it's more a commercial entertainment event.......players are picked for commercial success, if a player or coach fail....kicked out next season...
International team built around known talented players and some newbies..... having potential.... accountability regarding failure ....... zero.....West Indies perspective...
Sammy nominal success in franchisee cricket and failure in international cricket speaks for itself....
When Sammy was captain....he was captain of both red ball and white ball.....the red ball team players barring Braithwaite....non could prosper....Sammy as captain failed to unearth new players or lead from front....his stats as player and captain abysmal....his victories came against lowly Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.....6 successive victory....blanked out against all top teams....
While the white ball team , itself was self sufficient with Gayle,Bravo ,Pollard et al at peak.....Sammy just kept his mouth shut and kept clapping....team won 2 world cups...so much so .....in 2016 World Cup....just check his stats as player....both with bat and ball.....Nothing...
Being a guy, with total support of administration....he got the job as Head Coach of West Indies, without any credentials or transparency......His team selection was biased.....his tactics totally outdated as was evident during World Cup qualifier in Zimbabwe......this guy is hyped up....few franchise games victories can't camouflage his abject international ICC tournament failures....
2024-09-26 11:32:01
In reply to Onionman0
when west indians accept that politics primarily has wi cricket in the position it is, we will make progress. all these people coming out blaming t20s, ipl, india.......hogwash. that might be the case for new zealand or sri lanka. but the fall of the west indies and pakistan has everything to do with their incompetence of their boards and their inability to see beyond their noses
2024-09-26 12:40:23
In reply to Jumpstart
You are carrying tons of baggage and you are extremely hateful. That's your issue. The end.
You not even an honest broker. You reserve your hate for specific people. There is lots of blame to go around but yet, some folks' issues are sacrosanct for you. This ain't the movies with good guys and bad guys as much as you would like to present it as such.
Let go of the hate ..and then you might make some sense.
2024-09-26 12:43:29
In reply to Cheeks
all that hogwash to escape from the fact that sammy was not a player of international standard, that he was very fortunate to captain teams that had ipl experience and/or championship credentials and that his ascension to the top ended the careers of several very good west indian players. punto finale. facts change emotions but emotions do not change facts
2024-09-26 12:48:04
In reply to Onionman0
International team built around known talented players and some newbies..... having potential.... accountability regarding failure ....... zero.....West Indies perspective...
Sammy nominal success in franchisee cricket and failure in international cricket speaks for itself....
Sammy nominal success in franchisee cricket and failure in international cricket speaks for itself....
More nonsense.
The prevailing argument until now, is that Sammy's success in international cricket as captain..ie 2 worldcups is predicated on a few great T20 players ie Gayle, Bravo, Pollard, Narine et al and that his limited success as CPL captain/ coach somehow demonstrates that his leadership is overrated. Now you come with a whole other argument to the contrary. Y'all can't even make up your mind what your argument is.
Again...that's what hate does. It ahem..eschews reason, logic and facts.
2024-09-26 12:49:12
In reply to Jumpstart
the massive decline in west indian performances can be attributed to sammy's ascension and the behaviors of the board that caused it
Hahahahahahahahaha. Now you are just a lying skunt.
FFS.
I posit that the massive decline is due to D Ramnarine's combative hateful nonsense...and 'ascension' of a few indivduals financial interests over the sustainability Windies cricket.
2024-09-26 12:52:52
In reply to Cheeks
his limited success as CPL captain/ coach
what success? dude had Kevin Pietersen in his team one year and still could not make the playoffs
2024-09-26 12:59:19
In reply to Cheeks
Hahahahahahahahaha. Now you are just a lying skunt.
FFS.
I posit that the massive decline is due to D Ramnarine's combative hateful nonsense...and 'ascension' of a few indivduals financial interests over the sustainability Windies cricket.
FFS.
I posit that the massive decline is due to D Ramnarine's combative hateful nonsense...and 'ascension' of a few indivduals financial interests over the sustainability Windies cricket.
not debating any emotional dottie drivel with you homes. fact is under gayle, the captain sammy replaced, we beat england for the first time in 11 years, won a test in SA for the first and only time, did not lose in nz for the first time in 13 years and would have won or drew the test series in australia if the umpiring was better(a series where the last wicket, 33 runs adrift from the target was an umpiring error by billy bowden and also where 3 west indians scored test hundreds with gayle scoring back to back centuries, bravo scoring his second test century in australia and adrian bharath scoring a hundred on debut). does darren sammy have anything equivalent to that?
2024-09-26 14:43:24
In reply to Jumpstart
and that is the issue genius. the massive decline in west indian performances can be attributed to sammy's ascension and the behaviors of the board that caused it.
So you start following West Indies cricket in 2015 or so?
casuse I cant get past that first sentence
2024-09-26 14:47:03
In reply to Onionman0
Head Coach in franchisee and international team.....two totally different........ comparison between two ....chalk and cheese......
Franchisee team is built around few very good/ great foreign T20 players..... with some locals....club and international players..... it's more a commercial entertainment event.......players are picked for commercial success, if a player or coach fail....kicked out next season...
Franchisee team is built around few very good/ great foreign T20 players..... with some locals....club and international players..... it's more a commercial entertainment event.......players are picked for commercial success, if a player or coach fail....kicked out next season...
with all due respect Onionman..
and I am serious
that is smoke and mirrors and actually makes my point all the more for me.
He still has to lead, manage now..not just Lucians , not just brothers from the region...but players from so called better set up infrastructural teams and races and cultures and practices...and get them all to produce.
I say he has been doing this so far...and funny enough the FOREIGN commentators have been saying it too.
I aint blind nor deaf-
I am keen to get posters to be honest as to why Sammy can do no good ever in their eyes.
2024-09-26 14:50:46
let me throw this one in here to boot.
Stadium named after him
and their newly crowned Sprint Queen referenced him as a Local Hero as well.
All I am saying is that-
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
that is a life story ( that still aint finished) that should be applauded and encouraged.
This is the SAME Sammy that stood up to Cameron btw ...and went on in 2016 to win that World Cup
2024-09-26 15:00:18
In reply to powen001
et me throw this one in here to boot.
Stadium named after him
and their newly crowned Sprint Queen referenced him as a Local Hero as well.
All I am saying is that-
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
Stadium named after him
and their newly crowned Sprint Queen referenced him as a Local Hero as well.
All I am saying is that-
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
Homes. nobody thought steve waugh was any good when he started off. but he managed to turn himself into a great cricketer through will and a healthy dose of badmind. that is who people should be inspired by. steve's own brother, mark, said openly that he deserved a shot at aussie selection before steve
This is the SAME Sammy that stood up to Cameron btw ...and went on in 2016 to win that World Cup
bravo, pollard, gayle and russell had stood up to cameron a year before that. Bravo, gayle and pollard in india and again gayle and russell when the world cup team was announced, gayle openly accusing the board under cameron of victimising pollard and bravo and picking a second string team. When the board under the windward islands hydra was doing the same thing as cameron, fighting and exiling senior players, where was Darren Julius Garvey Sammy eh
2024-09-26 15:52:54
In reply to powen001
Stadium named after him
ent devon smith have a pavilion named after him after an absolutely nothing career
2024-09-26 16:16:50
In reply to Jumpstart
Yeah the 'Dottie' narrative was bound to come out. You've been sussed out. My last on this is that..Windies decline started looooooong before Gayle or Sammy for that matter. You could bugger off with your revisionist nonsense. If you read what you are actually writing about how many firsts (a list of really low bar items if you ask me) happened under Gayle...then it clearly spoke to climbing out of a hole. You so hateful you tying up yourself in knots.
2024-09-26 16:18:47
In reply to Cheeks
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/world-t20-2015-16-10291?team=4
Sammy total contribution....12 runs@ 2.66 with bat.
And 3 overs 31 runs 1 wicket @31 r.o 10....
If this stats makes any sense.....I bow down to your observation that What I stated was non sense....
2024-09-26 16:20:50
In reply to Cheeks
if you read my above posts, the dottie contraption was always there. its they who appointed the imposter as captain
2024-09-26 16:24:16
In reply to Jumpstart
You are moving the goal post all over the field.
Lara's record speaks for itself. What was his test record as captain? What was his ODI record as captain?
You are such a homeboy instead of accept any failings, shortcomings, and criticisms you project this ridiculous stance that the Trinis did nothing wrong. And that weakens any point you are making.
Lara being one of the greatest cricketers ever means the teams he was cappo of were already miles better than what Sammy had to work with. Lara was a crappy captain.
I don't think Sammy was crappy. But I am not going to fight anyone on the issue.
2024-09-26 16:27:12
In reply to Jumpstart
Yeah..you've been sussed out. I don't deal well with dishonesty. All well and good to ignore facts and present opinions, but to STATE that Windies decline started with Sammy is just a nasty lie that any casual cricket fan can refute and speaks to your moral compass. I done.
2024-09-26 16:27:27
All I sayin is dat a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
Burn dem Sammy!
2024-09-26 16:28:43
In reply to Onionman0
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/icc-world-twenty20-2012-13-6856?team=4
He was a specialist cappo in the second world cup.
He contributed meaningfully in the first.
2024-09-26 16:44:57
In reply to nick2020
Lara's record speaks for itself. What was his test record as captain? What was his ODI record as captain?
You are such a homeboy instead of accept any failings, shortcomings, and criticisms you project this ridiculous stance that the Trinis did nothing wrong. And that weakens any point you are making.
You are such a homeboy instead of accept any failings, shortcomings, and criticisms you project this ridiculous stance that the Trinis did nothing wrong. And that weakens any point you are making.
blah blah blah....yes lara was whitewashed by sa, a tour sabotaged by typical wicb pigheadeness....the same type of pig headedness that saw gayle removed and sammy given the role, beaten in nz by 13 players, beaten by south africa, aus and england....by then all teams that were much better than us. Contrary to popular belief, when we lost in england in 2000, australia a few months later, pakistan and SA in 2001 and also the sri lanka brownwash later that year, nz and India 2002, NZ IN 2005, Lara wasn't skipper. adams was captain in the year 2000, hooper in 2001, lara in 2003-2005(we lost to south africa, england and australia during that period) chanderpaul for the entirety of 2005. Can't talk about lara's example and record and totally ignore the incompetence of sammy as captain. as i said, my dog could have captained the dream teams that won the 2012 and 2016 world cups. sammy's only creditable performance was against team going through the following
Taylor says he was 'undermined' by senior teammates during the 2012 tour of the West Indies and claims he overheard Jacob Oram - who was a Central Districts teammate - tell Kyle Mills "I told you those f**kers were going to drop you" when the bowler missed selection for the fourth ODI.
“In terms of being undermined, that West Indies trip was actually worse than the Sri Lankan tour when it all came to a head. Some of the senior players would be down the back of the bus talking really loudly to people back home in New Zealand - the likes of Heath Mills - about me and the support staff.”
“In terms of being undermined, that West Indies trip was actually worse than the Sri Lankan tour when it all came to a head. Some of the senior players would be down the back of the bus talking really loudly to people back home in New Zealand - the likes of Heath Mills - about me and the support staff.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/cricket-black-caps-great-ross-taylors-racism-claim-outlined-in-new-book/4CNPTPGQIAISQN3ZDSTMHTLD6Q/
2024-09-26 16:48:12
In reply to powen001
that is smoke and mirrors and actually makes my point all the more for me.
He still has to lead, manage now..not just Lucians , not just brothers from the region...but players from so called better set up infrastructural teams and races and cultures and practices...and get them all to produce.
He still has to lead, manage now..not just Lucians , not just brothers from the region...but players from so called better set up infrastructural teams and races and cultures and practices...and get them all to produce.
You are entitled to your opinion.....but
Facts are facts....
Franchisee team are owned by private individuals....teams have marque players....head coach knows acts within parameters not to antagonise any big player, as it impacts marketing.....
No head coach.... forget about Sammy ....transgress harming the commercial impact of franchise team.....
While working with national teams...Head Coach has much more freedom.....from choosing the team.... playing XI...... strategy.....
Sammy does not have credentials to be head coach according to CWI advertisement...
As coach, his team selection has been totally biased.....
Failed in ODI qualification in Zimbabwe....
Failed in World Cup T20
Few wins in meaningless T20....
Waiting for ODI series..... then...this discussion will move forward.....
2024-09-26 17:07:01
In reply to nick2020
Yes....he did meaningful contribution in 2012.... specially in final.....
2016, he passed his used by date.... understood his time gone.... became a rebel....now awarded with head coach job...
2024-09-26 17:07:48
In reply to Jumpstart
Again what was his record?
I guess you care more about the internet an articles when it suits. Here is one:
However, many considered Lara’s innings to be a selfish one – Ricky Ponting was particularly critical of it. "It's generally not the way we play our cricket," he said. "Their whole first innings might have been geared around one individual performance and they could have let a Test match slip because of it. They ran out of time in the game - that's not the way the Australian team plays."
Former England captain Tony Greig too seemed to echo Ponting’s views, even attacking Lara’s captaincy credentials. "I'm certainly not raving about the innings. I have to praise it for the sheer fact that he stayed in for so long but it wasn't an innings that you could be in awe of. It was clear he had the record in mind and was just going to keep on grinding it out until he got there. As far as I'm concerned that is not a good way to play the game, especially when you're the captain. It shows that Brian Lara is not a very good captain," he said.
Former England captain Tony Greig too seemed to echo Ponting’s views, even attacking Lara’s captaincy credentials. "I'm certainly not raving about the innings. I have to praise it for the sheer fact that he stayed in for so long but it wasn't an innings that you could be in awe of. It was clear he had the record in mind and was just going to keep on grinding it out until he got there. As far as I'm concerned that is not a good way to play the game, especially when you're the captain. It shows that Brian Lara is not a very good captain," he said.
Source
What is next? Pollard isn't a sledger? Narine never pelt?
2024-09-26 17:13:58
In reply to nick2020
two people out of the entirety of the world called the record selfish.
Brian Lara was hailed by the world's media for his recent 400 not out score against England in Antigua in the final Test of the 2004 Cable and Wireless Series. Here are a selection of tributes, from the press of the United Kingdom and India:
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH (UK): "Lara's achievement is a feat of amazing endurance every bit as much as one of skill. Probably, he is not the best player in the world anymore, but he is still the best at big scores. Given that he is 35 and carrying a pound or two more than in his youth, Lara is proof of the power of the mind - he was at the wicket for 13 hours, for heaven's sake. No man cuts the ball with such precision and along such angles; few drive with equal elan; only the cricketers of the subcontinent and Mark Waugh in the modern era, use their wrists so gleefully to ease the ball through leg-side spaces. Brian Lara is a cricketer who makes magic: the surprise is how long he remains able to sustain it."
MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS (UK): "That Lara regained the record playing in a West Indies side which is a shadow of their 1994 counterparts at the fag end of a miserable series for the hosts makes the achievement more rather than less remarkable. It is far from a perfect story but when the tide goes out on the current era of cricket only a few traces will be left - Shane Warne's twisting fingers, Sachin Tendulkar's graceful power and Lara's raised-bat aggression."
REDIFF.COM (INDIA): Indian, Pakistani stars hail Lara: "Amazing achievement," said Sachin Tendulkar, the man often racing the left-handed genius for the numero uno spot in the rankings. "One of the best batsman of my generation, if not the best ever. Such innings can never be planned, they just happen."
Sourav Ganguly: "Great knock," he said. "I was not going to be surprised if he crossed 400 and he did just that. When he is in full flow, there is no better sight in world cricket."
Virender Sehwag, the latest entry in the 300 club, said there was no comparison. "When Lara scored his 300 he was 24, I am 25," Sehwag said.
Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq, also a member of the 300 club, said Lara's performance was out of this world and he has duly taken back what was his - the record of highest Test score.
Former Pakistan skipper and coach Javed Miandad said, "The score is not the great part of the innings, but the fact that he held the record, saw it being broken, and then snatched it back is what is so great about the innings. Any of the top three batsmen in the world like Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, or Matthew Hayden could have done it if the conditions had suited them like they suited Lara. My guess is that one of the Indian batsmen or Inzamam-ul-Haq will break the record."
Compiled by the Sporting Life:
THE SUN (UK): "Brian Lara rewrote cricket history when he became the first batsman to score 400 in a Test."
DAILY MAIL (UK): "Brian Lara celebrated the 10th anniversary of his previous record hammering of England by again making the highest score in Test history with an unbeaten 400 yesterday in the final match of the series at St John's."
THE TIMES (UK): "To break the most famous of all batting records once might conceivably be ascribed to good fortune. To do it twice is proof of pure genius."
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH (UK): "World records are destined to be set by only a chosen few, so when Brian Lara reclaimed the world record Test score with an unbeaten 400 in Antigua yesterday, six months after it was taken off him by Australia's Matthew Hayden, something extraordinary was afoot."
THE GUARDIAN (UK): "Brian Lara promised West Indies cricket a legacy and, yesterday, in front of a cacophonous crowd at the Recreation Ground, each and every one of whom will tell their grandchildren they were there, he delivered, as if to order, the highest individual score in Test match history."
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH (UK): "Lara's achievement is a feat of amazing endurance every bit as much as one of skill. Probably, he is not the best player in the world anymore, but he is still the best at big scores. Given that he is 35 and carrying a pound or two more than in his youth, Lara is proof of the power of the mind - he was at the wicket for 13 hours, for heaven's sake. No man cuts the ball with such precision and along such angles; few drive with equal elan; only the cricketers of the subcontinent and Mark Waugh in the modern era, use their wrists so gleefully to ease the ball through leg-side spaces. Brian Lara is a cricketer who makes magic: the surprise is how long he remains able to sustain it."
MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS (UK): "That Lara regained the record playing in a West Indies side which is a shadow of their 1994 counterparts at the fag end of a miserable series for the hosts makes the achievement more rather than less remarkable. It is far from a perfect story but when the tide goes out on the current era of cricket only a few traces will be left - Shane Warne's twisting fingers, Sachin Tendulkar's graceful power and Lara's raised-bat aggression."
REDIFF.COM (INDIA): Indian, Pakistani stars hail Lara: "Amazing achievement," said Sachin Tendulkar, the man often racing the left-handed genius for the numero uno spot in the rankings. "One of the best batsman of my generation, if not the best ever. Such innings can never be planned, they just happen."
Sourav Ganguly: "Great knock," he said. "I was not going to be surprised if he crossed 400 and he did just that. When he is in full flow, there is no better sight in world cricket."
Virender Sehwag, the latest entry in the 300 club, said there was no comparison. "When Lara scored his 300 he was 24, I am 25," Sehwag said.
Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq, also a member of the 300 club, said Lara's performance was out of this world and he has duly taken back what was his - the record of highest Test score.
Former Pakistan skipper and coach Javed Miandad said, "The score is not the great part of the innings, but the fact that he held the record, saw it being broken, and then snatched it back is what is so great about the innings. Any of the top three batsmen in the world like Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, or Matthew Hayden could have done it if the conditions had suited them like they suited Lara. My guess is that one of the Indian batsmen or Inzamam-ul-Haq will break the record."
Compiled by the Sporting Life:
THE SUN (UK): "Brian Lara rewrote cricket history when he became the first batsman to score 400 in a Test."
DAILY MAIL (UK): "Brian Lara celebrated the 10th anniversary of his previous record hammering of England by again making the highest score in Test history with an unbeaten 400 yesterday in the final match of the series at St John's."
THE TIMES (UK): "To break the most famous of all batting records once might conceivably be ascribed to good fortune. To do it twice is proof of pure genius."
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH (UK): "World records are destined to be set by only a chosen few, so when Brian Lara reclaimed the world record Test score with an unbeaten 400 in Antigua yesterday, six months after it was taken off him by Australia's Matthew Hayden, something extraordinary was afoot."
THE GUARDIAN (UK): "Brian Lara promised West Indies cricket a legacy and, yesterday, in front of a cacophonous crowd at the Recreation Ground, each and every one of whom will tell their grandchildren they were there, he delivered, as if to order, the highest individual score in Test match history."
one was an uncouth oaf with serious alcohol problems earlier in his career and the other is scyld berry
2024-09-26 17:15:03
In reply to Onionman0
2016, he passed his used by date.... understood his time gone.... became a rebel....now awarded with head coach job...
Awarded? He is not qualified?
Agreed on the rest. unfortunately we did not realize half that team we sent was passed the sell by date too.
2024-09-26 17:15:56
In reply to Jumpstart
Does not make them wrong.
But we digress. He was a poor captain.
2024-09-26 17:21:07
In reply to nick2020
much better than Sammy....i can assure you of that. in fact the only captain lara wasn't better than in the last 32 years of wi cricket was Gayle
2024-09-26 17:26:14
In reply to powen001
So you start following West Indies cricket in 2015 or so?
The vile nature of these people is beyond comprehension. They never have anything to say about their nasty attitude so called stars but let them carry on.
No wonder the region will never get anywhere.
2024-09-26 17:29:23
In reply to nick2020
Awarded? He is not qualified?
CWI advertisment required amongst several qualification....Level 3 certification... Sammy doesn't have any.....CWI while appointing him .....stated Sammy would undergo Coaching training in Antigua.....but alas..
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/daren-sammy-appointed-west-indies-white-ball-coach-andre-coley-to-take-charge-of-test-team-1375104
Sammy has coaching experience in the CPL and the PSL, but this will be his first assignment in international cricket. While Sammy is not a certified coach, Shallow pointed out that he fulfilled all the criteria necessary for a coaching role. "There's a different set of criteria that you know don't necessarily need to be a Level 3 [coach]," Shallow said. "It's ideal, but when we go through the different assessments, he certainly qualified to be the head coach, which is why he was shortlisted in the first place and then he was interviewed by a panel of five."
2024-09-26 18:27:46
In reply to Jumpstart,Onionman0
See how low the bar was placed when Caribbean nationals rate Sammy....
They forgot his comments about when they kept losing and recalled the senior players what he was quoted as saying?.
If he was so great, he would have proved it in the CPL...
2024-09-26 18:31:06
In reply to sgtdjones
if darren ganga didn't take trinidad to the finals of the CLT20, sammy would have been like a fish out of water with regards to tactics. de man was still following that script up to this year in the world cup when we all agreed that ganga's school of t20s had expired after 2016. even ganga himself couldn't understand why sammy was so reluctant to make adjustments
2024-09-26 18:39:13
In reply to Jumpstart
in fact the only captain lara wasn't better than in the last 32 years of wi cricket was Gayle
1. I have this unsubstantiated suspicion you are not much older than 32.
2. If Gayle was a good Captain to you then your bar is really low.
If I could be romantic about the brilliant captaincy from times before you were born there was this psychological aspect to it that I think does not exist today. Maybe things that should not be in the sport today.
Pollard would have fit right in. Only problem he would not have been talented enough to make the side.
2024-09-26 18:41:53
In reply to sgtdjones
See how low the bar was placed when Caribbean nationals rate Sammy
Trinis thought they were good enough to succeed from the union because they won a world club competition.
We are all delusional.
2024-09-26 18:52:00
In reply to nick2020
and has the windward or leewards islands teams won anything? the one cpl st kitts won, gues what, a trini was the cappo. the team's highest run scorer was also a trini
2024-09-26 19:24:30
In reply to nick2020
The Twin Island Republic has produced some of the best players in T20 world wide...
I have never heard of the T&TCB wanting to go it alone?
Since you are delusional, can you provide any evidence of what you posted...
2024-09-26 19:55:00
In reply to nick2020
richardson was a terrible captain. in fact shane warne does not have him as captain of the best WI XI he played against, despite playing twice against WI teams captained by richardson. lara lost against teams that had more firepower than us. the only exception was the SA series in98, and the biggest factor in that series were off field matters. When england came here in 2004, their attack was harmison, flintoff, jones and hoggard. wi attack was edwards, colleymore and tino. there way no way in hell we were going to beat them. when australia came here in 2003, we had dave bernard jr, jermaine lawson and tino.....again, no way we were going to beat them in a series
2024-09-26 20:07:55
In reply to sgtdjones
Since you are delusional, can you provide any evidence of what you posted
The trinis on here looked for an exit plan. The cricketers knew better
2024-09-26 20:11:38
In reply to Jumpstart
shane warne does not have him as captain of the best WI XI he played against, despite playing twice against WI teams captained by richardson.
There you go again youngster - selectively deciding who you want to listen to because he is saying what you want to hear.
one was an uncouth oaf with serious alcohol problems earlier in his career
and then you quote Shane Warne?
2024-09-26 21:00:40
In reply to Halliwell
Ypu correct. He's able to do well managing the right set of fellas for real. Reminds me of people like Mourino. They need to have a certain type of fellas to be able to pull the best out of them.
2024-09-26 21:19:58
In reply to nick2020
they won a world club competition.
When did Trinidad win a world championship?
2024-09-26 21:32:19
In reply to nick2020
There you go again youngster - selectively deciding who you want to listen to because he is saying what you want to hear.
you not fed up showing your ignorance in public patnas
Former Australia spinner Shane Warne has been picking his favourite teams over the last few days as the world has come to a standstill due to the coronavirus outbreak. And on Thursday, he picked the greatest West Indies XI and it came as no surprise that he named Brian Lara as skipper of the team.
As has been the case with his selections, Warne only picked players that he has played against and that saw him pick Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose over the legends of the past like Michael Holding among others.
This also saw Warne give Viv Richards a miss in the XI which had Chris Gayle opening the batting with Desmond Haynes and the likes of Carl Hooper and Shivnarine Chanderpaul giving Lara company in the middle order.
The pace battery saw Ian Bishop and Patrick Patterson join the duo of Walsh and Ambrose.
As has been the case with his selections, Warne only picked players that he has played against and that saw him pick Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose over the legends of the past like Michael Holding among others.
This also saw Warne give Viv Richards a miss in the XI which had Chris Gayle opening the batting with Desmond Haynes and the likes of Carl Hooper and Shivnarine Chanderpaul giving Lara company in the middle order.
The pace battery saw Ian Bishop and Patrick Patterson join the duo of Walsh and Ambrose.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/shane-warne-picks-greatest-west-indies-xi-names-brian-lara-skipper/story-CJONRw65aEmKzklAGaxTpJ.html
shane warne was more respected in international cricket than the uncouth oaf, ricky ponting homes.
2024-09-26 22:03:04
In reply to Jumpstart
you wrote off one person for alcoholism and chose to listen to another?
2024-09-27 00:04:24
In reply to nick2020
Well when that person is .00000005% of the world, then I think that that person’s opine is pretty irrelevant
2024-09-27 00:41:29
In reply to Jumpstart
Hey quick question how come Ganga is given credit for being a tactically great T20 captain didn’t he basically have a WI T20 Team if we’re being honest he didn’t really have to do much tactically when he already had the best players on the park just like Sammy ehh???
Now Ramnaresh Sarwan on the other hand had a team of literal nobodies and won the regional T20 crown a couple times I believe and also led GAW to a few Finals as well why isn’t he given more credit than both Sammy & Ganga???
2024-09-27 00:54:16
In reply to WIfan26
You see because Ganga created a style of t20 cricket. Caribbean people may have known about pollard before the second Stanford tournament, but nobody else really. Pollard and bravo didn’t get ipl contracts until after the champions league in 2009. Those guys were hungry before 2009, they weren’t stars. They were after the champions league run though and Ganga moulded that team. Firstly he was significantly older than the rest of the side and I believe that helps. Secondly, his tactics were never nonsensical even though, like Dwayne Bravo’s tactics, they could be funky, a little unorthodox but never nonsensical
2024-09-27 00:57:42
In reply to powen001
All I am saying is that-
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
that is a life story ( that still aint finished) that should be applauded and encouraged.
This is the SAME Sammy that stood up to Cameron btw ...and went on in 2016 to win that World Cup
Well said Bro!
2024-09-27 01:01:48
2024-09-27 01:05:14
ted lasso
2024-09-27 02:19:02
In reply to doosra
Bad link bruh
2024-09-27 05:29:52
In reply to powen001
All I am saying is that-
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
that is a life story ( that still aint finished) that should be applauded and encouraged.
This is the SAME Sammy that stood up to Cameron btw ...and went on in 2016 to win that World Cup
Sammy's story should be inspirational to everyone who has been told..you aint good enough, you aint talented enough and you will fail...and yet he somehow keeps achieving against all the odds.
that is a life story ( that still aint finished) that should be applauded and encouraged.
This is the SAME Sammy that stood up to Cameron btw ...and went on in 2016 to win that World Cup
On the contrary...... Sammy was made captain of all formats, by Hunte, when he hardly had any performance to boost....he was blue eyed establishment boy.....inspite of winning 2012 World Cup as captain......his personal performance in all formats was abysmal.....
Immediately, after Cameron was elected, he replaced Sammy with Dwayne Bravo as ODI cappo..........Ramdin replaced Sammy as test cappo.....his own performance was totally nil....he knew his days were numbered.....he would eventually be dropped....from T20.....even his performance in World Cup T20 batting @2.66 and bowling @31 with 1 wicket r.p.o. 10 .... with just 3 overs bowl.....
Thereafter, he rebelled against Cameron,when he did not have anything to loose......
Then immediately, campaigned against Cameron,....as soon as Cameron lost the election....Skerritt, the new President made him independent Director of CWI....thereafter, going beyond the rules and regulations was made white ball head coach by Shallow...
To me, Sammy knows the Art of staying with the establishment.....reap benefits.....
His story is.....a man with very limited cricket abilities...as his stats clearly shows.....has been reaping benefits since 2011..... simply by staying with the power...
2024-09-27 10:23:04
In reply to imusic
fixed 
2024-09-28 02:16:26
In reply to Onionman0
NOW we at break.
I see you want to not only rewrite history in some of those posits but you pretty good with the blender at mixing facts with biased opinion.
I COULD challenge but why bother when I can ask one question.
Tell me of one cricketer - apart from bonafide under performer cry baby Bravo who complained about Sammys leadership or value to the team.
2024-09-28 02:30:25
In reply to powen001
You always saying that ppl rewriting history but never provide even one stat to prove your point
2024-09-28 02:40:11
In reply to Jumpstart
Sammy on debut had 7 wickets.
next!
2024-09-28 02:43:18
In reply to powen001
clearly even the best batsmen can underestimate a spinner in a hurry. homes has a bowling avg of 47
2024-09-28 02:45:56
In reply to Jumpstart
LOLOL
YOU TOO KIND.
So...regardless of what Sammy does now OFF the field.. no longer Unbalancing the Side or taking up some deserving players spot...
he still cannot do naffin good for you then?
2024-09-28 02:48:20
Sammy have something.
2024-09-28 02:50:10
In reply to powen001
Unbalancing the Side
now we are getting somewhere. the only team sammy didn't unbalance was the t20 side.....because the main cast was so good. teams with lesser capabilities(because they were second string) were unbalanced by his presence in the starting XI. Great point
Darren Sammy creates a serious imbalance in the Test squad and places a major burden on our fast bowlers. We need another attacking fast bowler to complement Roach and Rampaul. A number of names come to mind, but the two foremost would be Russel, who is a better batsman and bowler than Sammy, or Johnson, who would bring pace, height and variety to the bowling line-up. There were times during this Test match when our opening fast bowlers showed glimpses of real aggression, but this was always relaxed when the first change bowler came on. We now have too many quality fast bowlers in the wings to continue to play with only two frontline genuine pacers. The Sammy experiment needs to come to a conclusion immediately.
https://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/07/28/opinion/letters/the-darren-sammy-experiment-must-come-to-an-end/
2024-09-28 02:50:45
In reply to Jumpstart
lol...and you still aint answer the question Mr trump
2024-09-28 02:54:49
In reply to powen001
lol...and you still aint answer the question Mr trump
no. sammy have three decent performances in his entire career. much like a tall, eloquent waste of time from barbados who like sammy, found himself as captain of the t20 side because of politics.
2024-09-28 03:01:34
In reply to Jumpstart
wow...get it all out.
I guess he was the NUMBER 1 ALL ROUNDER for such a long time because of Politics too ent?
you sure you ent Al Queda with the amount o kool aid you regurgitating so easy???
and.. ahm...Starbrok news aint any cricketer Sammy played with...just a set o flag waving ingrates from that part of the world.
and it still does not explain yall continued and persistent hatred of the man who never cuss a fella yet.
2024-09-28 03:35:46
In reply to powen001
That’s not the person I’m talking about genius. Jason is a little more than a waste of time although I don’t think he’s any kind of all rounder, more a bowler who bats. I’m talking about RTN
And Guyana is a stakeholder in Caribbean cricket. I know you bajans don’t think so because you’re still living in 1979 and Dessie debuted last year and maco debut is this year, the last of the good Bajan cricketers. Sitting on a toilet style Floyd Reifer is yet to grace the international stage. The rest of us went through 2012 and were concerned about the trajectory wi cricket was taking and a gentleman expressed his concern
2024-10-03 03:22:41
In reply to Jumpstart
HOW you feeling tonight bro?
Sammy still in yuh pweffen and Royals still here too... with GAW to wheel and come again...in THIS tournament.
whey TKR??
2024-10-03 03:31:52
In reply to powen001
So you show up after the game was decided... typical powen...
2024-10-03 03:34:18
In reply to sgtdjones
preparing for a Live recording man...takes up most nights way past 9PM Bim time...
plenty songs to learn with two weeks left...
2024-10-03 03:38:34
In reply to sgtdjones
For the record
Lucian Kings under SAMMY deserve to be in the FINAL.
That team is gelling better than all others ...and I am of the opinion that it is SAMMY ...again...making a set o stars out of a team
Now...Royals the least of the Apostles have to face another team that I truly enjoy...De Warriors...but they lack self belief and cohesion...aka...spazmodic to all with all that talent - go figure.
Royals... have favour and cunning on their side...when the enemy rushes in like a flood...a Standard is raised...miraculously to see them through.
there..
think I have yanked on enough petticoats and offended a few -
my work here is done
-
until...
2024-10-03 03:54:51
In reply to powen001
Kindly, set out the stars made by Sammy....
I take the pleasure to start the list on your behalf..
1 Faf
2.Charles
3.Chase
4.Noor
........
Please continue......
2024-10-03 21:53:20
In reply to powen001
Great knock!! 125 not out. Keep on batting I will tell you when it's a dead rubber. lol:
2024-10-04 03:41:13
FAF
2024-10-04 04:36:57
Suh these people that hate Sammy making up shyt to prove their point?
2024-10-04 04:38:59
Yeah, Sammy got a chance, and built on it, however, for himself, cause unless the haters lying. Them stats poor if you take away the 2 WC wins.
2024-10-04 11:59:39
In reply to Onionman0
Everytime Sammy leads a team to victory-
Everyone wins.
it really is that simple.
you keep using the paradigm of Individuals
I ask you to take the Holistic and Umbrellic* viewpoint.
Sammy builds TEAMS that shine like stars.
cant fight the facts...use science , use stats...and for heavens sake...please to use results.
Everything rises and falls with Leadership- JOHN MAXWELL.
2024-10-04 12:01:42
In reply to TheTrail
wait till Sunday EFFIN Sammy raises that trophy and skins his pearly whites behind that heart warming smile of sun darkened visage.
Nothing Dead...
and no need for a Rubber of any kind just yet
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
2024-10-04 15:02:55
In reply to powen001
Everything rises and falls with Leadership- JOHN MAXWELL.
Everything.......
Posters only talk about 2 T20 World Cup....
Sammy was captain of all three formats...Test and ODI teams performance was abysmal...Did any posters questions his appointment as ODI coach...He has Zero experience or certificate in ODI coaching...
The T20 team , which Sammy lead was one of the greatest...all at their peak...
As coach of franchisee team ....he did admirably in Peshawar and SLK......
SLK is favourite to lift Cup....
But coaching a franchisee team and international team....chalk and cheese...Sammy till date has failed in almost all international white ball ICC events....
If SLK victory is equivalent to West indies success for these posters...Best of Luck!!?!!
2024-10-04 23:13:51
In reply to Onionman0
They'll clutch at anything. But let me add, he may become an excellent coach, just that he did it in reverse. Should have started out at the club level and work your way up.
2024-10-05 00:45:54
Mad dem Sammy.
The 'eef wuznt fuh dem 2 worldcups'..is di best argument yet.
Is like saying yuh lucky yuh study otherwise you would nevah get yuh degree.
Hate...and make no bones about it..it is hate...throws logic and reason out di door.
Mad dem Sammy.
2024-10-05 01:07:11
In reply to natty_forever
Agree..... with time Sammy may become good coach...but every good coach......worth......how his team transform into well knit unit performing at international level as well as performance in ICC events.....
Appointment of Sammy as ODI coach is totally absurd ...I would be the happiest,if Sammy build the ODI side into strong unit and makes West Indies qualify for World Cup.... results in ICC events improve...
2024-10-05 01:19:05
In reply to Cheeks
https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/team-rankings/mens/odi
Sammy appointed March 2023......we presently, October 2024... West Indies ranking 10th....
Hopefully, by cut off date 31st March 2027, we finish in top 9 excluding South Africa as Host......for automatic qualification.....
Go Sammy Go....do something to cheer the blind supporters......I as always.......Rally
2024-10-05 01:57:19
In reply to Onionman0
More disingenuous jackassery.
You think team culture changes overnight? Steups.
Mad dem Sammy.
Let go of the hate and then you may find some reason.
2024-10-05 03:55:08
In reply to Cheeks
Jackassery is.......
When blind supporters try to camouflage......some low level franchisee cricket over gross underperformance at international level.....
No experience
No certificate
No result
In last one & half years ..ODI cricket....
They talk about
You think team culture changes overnight? Steups.
Just get the team in top 9 till cut off date 31st March 2027....
Still 2 and half years.....
But franchisee success in Peshawar and SLK ....is greatest.....IPL & BBL most sought after coach...
Tongue in cheeks......
2024-10-07 00:21:45
In reply to Onionman0
Jackassery is.......
When blind supporters try to camouflage......some low level franchisee cricket over gross underperformance at international level.....
When blind supporters try to camouflage......some low level franchisee cricket over gross underperformance at international level.....
the facts dont support you...
but here we are...another Final...under Sammy.
dat iz all
2024-10-07 03:02:36
#vindication.
Congratulations SAMMY.
Well deserved!!
always in the game!
This thread can now be placed in the archives and HALL of FAME
2024-10-07 03:06:12
Sammy backroom squad is the West Indies squad...even Rawl Lewis dey. Lol
2024-10-07 13:17:38
TED LASSO LIVES!!
ok..dat is all
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
hear Badree on Sammy.
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