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AB...a possible racist and a truly great batsman

Jumpstart 10/16/24, 1:42:30 PM
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the natural successor to brian lara according to the great Harsha Bhogle. can't bring myself to congratulate him on the ICC hall of fame induction but i love watching his innings over from time to time. the only dude to not be terrified by johnson
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Prako 10/16/24, 2:47:19 PM
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Kohli loves him

Kohli to de Villiers: 'Biscotti, you are the most talented cricketer I've played with, the absolute number one'



Kohli to de Villiers: 'Biscotti, you are the most talented cricketer I've played with, the absolute number one'
With over 20,000 international runs, the South Africa batter holds the records for the fastest fifty and century in ODI cricket

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16-Oct-2024 • 1 hr ago

his letter, penned by Virat Kohli to AB de Villiers after the latter was inducted into the ICC Hall of Fame, was released by the ICC.

To AB,

It is an honour to be selected to write these words as you enter the ICC Hall of Fame.

You are thoroughly deserving of your place - after all, the Hall of Fame is a representation of your impact on the game, and yours has been truly unique.

People have always spoken about your ability, and rightly so. You are the most talented cricketer I have played with, the absolute number one.

But what truly stood out to me was your belief in that ability. You had a crazy amount of belief that you could execute whatever you wanted to on a cricket field, and you normally did. That is why you ended up being so special.

There is no better example in my mind than when we were batting together for RCB in Kolkata in 2016.

We were chasing 184 against an attack including Sunil Narine, Morne Morkel, Andre Russell and Shakib Al Hasan. You came in to join me with around 70 on the board and Narine was bowling.

You played and missed a couple and told me during a timeout that you weren't picking him too well. I felt I was, so I remember telling you to give me the strike and I would try and hit boundaries off him.

In the first over Narine bowled after the timeout, I was ready at the non-striker's end thinking you were definitely giving me a single. So, imagine my surprise when you back away to the leg side, Sunil follows you and you slog sweep him over square leg for a 94-metre six.

I don't know what happened in the timeout to give you the belief you could do that. I just remember saying to you, "you're a freak!"

If I have a lack of belief against someone, I'd just try and get off strike - but you hit him for a 94-metre six without picking the ball. That sums you up. You could just do things our minds were not ready to process, and then everyone thinks 'how the hell did that happen?'.

That is just one of so many fond memories I have batting alongside you, times which provided some of the most fun I have had on a cricket field.

'Fielders were always under pressure when we were batting. I don't ever remember missing a two with you or being in a position to be run out'•BCCI
When we ran between the wickets, for example, we never called for runs. It's a very difficult thing to explain practically but there is a feeling to it.

There was a complete understanding of where the ball was going and nothing needed to be said. Fielders were always under pressure when we were batting. I don't ever remember missing a two with you or being in a position to be run out. It was amazing, as if we understood so perfectly that we were always on the same page.

Through my time playing with and against you, you always had a very clear understanding of how the game should be played and you never really veered from that, regardless of whether you were doing well or not.

It was never about someone else. It was never about competing with another player. It was always about what impact you could create for the team. In difficult situations, you were the man bailing out your team more often than not.

Your drive to want to be the guy to win the game for your team was tremendous and something I learned a lot from. I remember taking from you that it doesn't matter what you have done in the last four games, it is about how you approach the game today. It is about always being positive, always taking the game on and finding a way to get the job done.

You were always completely in tune with the needs of the team, which made you one of the hardest players to make plans for when we were on opposing sides in international cricket.

"You had a crazy amount of belief that you could execute whatever you wanted to on a cricket field, and you normally did. That is why you ended up being so special"
Everyone remembers your attacking shots but you would adapt to the situation. Take 2015, in Delhi, when you faced 297 balls and made 43 trying to save the Test match.

There must have been a temptation at some stage to think 'I've faced 200 balls, I need to hit a boundary'. But once you locked yourself into what the situation required, you just kept going on and on.

It all comes back to that belief in your ability. It wasn't just about the crazy, extravagant shots. You had the ability to defend the ball and had belief in that defence. To play that way because South Africa needed you to do so is a classic example of the team player you were.

A lot of players can have impressive numbers but very few have an impact on the psyche of those watching. For me, that is the highest value you can have as a cricketer and that is what makes you so special.

You are in the Hall of Fame for the impact you have left on the game and I don't think there is anything more special for a cricketer than to have that honour.

Congratulations, biscotti. You are one of the greatest players to ever play the game.

Virat

Kay 10/16/24, 4:02:07 PM
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You played and missed a couple and told me during a timeout that you weren't picking him too well.


smilesmile
doosra 10/16/24, 4:20:21 PM
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RCB still waiting for biscuits from those 2 biscottis

#oreobig grin
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Narper 10/16/24, 4:23:18 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

.a possible racist

Explain
Jumpstart 10/16/24, 7:02:45 PM
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In reply to Narper

a dude who went university like you can't be this ignorant......nah i doubting that. i refuse to believe that
Narper 10/16/24, 7:19:48 PM
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dat is a cop out....should be a simple explanation then

Are you jus parrotting what you read what others post here or do you have evidence

is he a racist because he is a white saffie ? I am jus asking.

Is it the same reason De Kock is called a racist
Jumpstart 10/16/24, 7:37:23 PM
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In reply to Narper

breds.....it had a who government ordered commission of inquiry into racism in SA cricket. The final report found that AB de villears discriminated against a player on racist grounds. It have people in the west indies does want to call viv a racist because he called the West Indies his african team in 1991. You have evidence collected and submitted into a government report. but im sure you're going to argue that that government doh like ppl like AB(despite their embracxe of the Springboks) so makes their report null and void
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Narper 10/16/24, 8:08:32 PM
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The allegations against de Villiers were based on his handling of Khaya Zondo when he was part of South Africa’s ODI squad that toured India in 2015. He was not selected in the team when JP Duminy was injured for the final match of the series.

In Zondo’s place, Dean Elgar, who was a part of the Test squad, played in that match. The report stated that it was done “just to ensure that a black player was not placed in a position which he deemed as requiring greater experience.”


De Villiers had previously told the SJN that he believed Zondo was a “non-playing” member of the squad, who was there purely to “gain experience” and “see how the system works”.

He said he believed Elgar and Farhaan Behardien were the next batsmen in line in the event of an injury


De Villiers, a much-admired figure in South African cricket who recently retired, denied the charge.
De Villiers denied he I support the aims of CSA’s Social Justice and Nation Building process, to ensure equal opportunities in cricket. However, in my career, I expressed honest cricketing opinions only ever based on what I believed was best for the team, never based on anyone’s race. That’s the fact.


CSA did not charge De Villiers as far as I know......he ohers were
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shivnotout 10/16/24, 8:25:28 PM
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In reply to Kay

In the first over Narine bowled after the timeout, I was ready at the non-striker's end thinking you were definitely giving me a single. So, imagine my surprise when you back away to the leg side, Sunil follows you and you slog sweep him over square leg for a 94-metre six.

I don't know what happened in the timeout to give you the belief you could do that. I just remember saying to you, "you're a freak!"
Jumpstart 10/16/24, 8:39:22 PM
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In reply to Narper

Only boucher was charged because he was contracted by CSA as their national men's coach, therefore he could face disciplinary action and the allegations could be further investigated. AB retired from international cricket in 2018. All the participants,. including those accused and summoned were allowed to either give evidence in person or through a sworn deposition. Both Graeme Smith and Boucher submitted sworn depositions. I am not aware AB submitted anything, and there were three people accusing him of either outright racism or ignoring or blindsiding official protocols. It is under those circumstances that the commission could find him guilty of racism. It wasn't an ad hoc, hurried down thing and ironically both boucher and smith were 'cleared' of wrongdoing upon further investigation of the allegations
Duminy was ruled out of the final match of the series due to injury, Dean Elgar – who had been named in the Test squad – was flown in early to play in the ODI, with Zondo missing out.

In testimony given to the SJN, tour selector Hussein Manack said he was pressured into selecting Elgar over Zondo by De Villiers, the Proteas ODI captain.

De Villiers did not consult with selection convenor Linda Zondi, who was not on the tour, and instead discussed the matter with then CSA CEO Haroon Lorgat.

“Mr Zondo was a victim of the exclusionary culture which persists within the cricket ecosystem,” the SJN report said.

“Mr De Villiers was willing to flout the NSP [national selection policy] just to ensure that a black player was not placed in a position which he deemed as requiring greater experience.

“It is then puzzling that the preferred choice is a white player who does not specialise in the position that was open and had no experience in the ODI series, at the time.

“The only reasonable conclusion is that Mr De Villiers unfairly discriminated against Mr Zondo on racial grounds.

“His actions were arbitrary and irrational as there was no justifiable purpose for Mr Zondo’s replacement. His conduct was motivated by underlying unsubstantiated bias with respect to competence of black players.
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Jumpstart 10/16/24, 8:49:34 PM
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In reply to Narper

is he a racist because he is a white saffie ? I am jus asking.

Eben Etzbeth is a 6'8 springbok lock whose father worked in the south africa secret police, the same police that threw people like ahmed timol out a window to his death and hung Hoosen Hafajee by trousers in a police station. He was accused of racism by one person and was eventually cleared and is probably the most loved sports person in SA sports after Siya Kolisi. People call AB a racist because there's evidence coming from three people.

And here's what. none of us know what it was like to grow up in AB's world, or any white south african player for that matter. SA was the only place where white supremacy was an official government policy into the 1970s(yes it had racism everywhere but it wasn't on the lawbooks). So unless, you're like Allan Donald and went to play outside of SA, and in donald's case playing for a club representing an extremely diverse county, then you wouldn't know how other people lived. In fact when Mark Boucher racially abused Mark Butcher, AD marched him into the England dressing room and made him apologize(from his boom White Lightning). AD's name didn't once jump up in that report as well
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Jumpstart 10/16/24, 8:55:31 PM
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In reply to doosra
lollol
Ey Behave. ab may or may not have liked colored folks(evidence suggests the latter), but he was a great batsman. Can't we all just get along cool
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TanteMerle 10/16/24, 11:57:34 PM
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In reply to Narper

Are you really here to challenge anyine on calling AD or any RSA white racist?

All of them racist unil proven otherwise.

I would just say that I spoke to some now-retired cricketers.

They sing the same song...

The whites did not hang with the Windies players .

They only showed camaraderie in public.
Narper 10/17/24, 12:01:11 AM
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In reply to TanteMerle

Are you really here to challenge anyine on calling AD or any RSA white racist?


NO

All of them racist unil proven otherwise.

this is racist
TanteMerle 10/17/24, 12:05:32 AM
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In reply to Narper

If you say so.

I am out of this conversation.

Sometimes people like me, do not write all they know to protect sources.

Dah is all.
Jumpstart 10/17/24, 12:18:54 AM
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In reply to TanteMerle

kallis didn't spit at kemar(kemar nearly took his overrated head off for that)......on live television? didn't bravo accuse smith of racially abusing him during the 2006 series.
All of them racist unil proven otherwise.

while this may be harsh in most cases, the level of social and intellectual conditioning that South africa under apartheid conducted on its citizens makes that a distinct possibility whether you like it or not. it is for reasons like this that the SA justice system started sending persons convicted of racial abuse to jail. Vicki Momberg was the first i believe. i don't believe faf is one though. he's very close with several west indian cricket stars on the t20 circuit
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