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The 80s and 90s wasn’t the Stone Age yuh know
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So Nikhil doh feel people had footage in times p
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart
When did coaches in the region use video cameras to tape lessons?
When did coaches in the region use video cameras to tape lessons?
debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to openning
WI's cricket was in the stone age for longer than most. it is a known fact though that Malcolm Marshall used to acquire footage of the batsmen he had to bowl too and i suspect the other pacemen did the same thing with the exception of Andy Roberts who Holding said used to stay in his room when the rest of the guys, including himself, were out partying and used to think deeply about how to get batsmen out
WI's cricket was in the stone age for longer than most. it is a known fact though that Malcolm Marshall used to acquire footage of the batsmen he had to bowl too and i suspect the other pacemen did the same thing with the exception of Andy Roberts who Holding said used to stay in his room when the rest of the guys, including himself, were out partying and used to think deeply about how to get batsmen out
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debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart
If Holding was out partying, how he know what Andy was doing in de room?
the exception of Andy Roberts who Holding said used to stay in his room when the rest of the guys, including himself, were out partying and used to think deeply about how to get batsmen out
If Holding was out partying, how he know what Andy was doing in de room?
debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to imusic
no well the last part was andy saying that, not holding. holding said that while they were out partying, roberts would be back at their hotel. roberts said he would be thinking about how to get batsmen out.
no well the last part was andy saying that, not holding. holding said that while they were out partying, roberts would be back at their hotel. roberts said he would be thinking about how to get batsmen out.
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart
Dude, the guys that had county contracts were equipped with technology.
For my first ten golf lessons I was given a video tape with my swing, which was over 30 years ago, working at a golf club for the last 15 years, I saw how technology works.
You guys continue to blame players, how many youngsters in T&T or the region have a personal coach or clubs with a sport psychologist?
Dude, the guys that had county contracts were equipped with technology.
For my first ten golf lessons I was given a video tape with my swing, which was over 30 years ago, working at a golf club for the last 15 years, I saw how technology works.
You guys continue to blame players, how many youngsters in T&T or the region have a personal coach or clubs with a sport psychologist?
debut: 2/22/04
8,459 runs
It is amazing how all ya interpret the man's statement.
He is correct.
The proliferation of analysis is a newish thing. This decade.
While there was some analysis in the past, it was limited.
I remember Gooch watching Marshall at practice bowling before facing him.
Speaking to the cricketers from yesteryear, many had to work out players on the field.
I stand corrected but Packer (via Greig) used technology to improve practice and create training modules.
They allegedly created a model based on tidbits from all countries.
Hingland followed suit.
The use of analyst was very limited before 2000's.
He is correct.
The proliferation of analysis is a newish thing. This decade.
While there was some analysis in the past, it was limited.
I remember Gooch watching Marshall at practice bowling before facing him.
Speaking to the cricketers from yesteryear, many had to work out players on the field.
I stand corrected but Packer (via Greig) used technology to improve practice and create training modules.
They allegedly created a model based on tidbits from all countries.
Hingland followed suit.
The use of analyst was very limited before 2000's.
debut: 11/13/02
2,772 runs
In reply to Jumpstart
That "BOY" is a Johnny-Come-Lately ... The world started when he arrived.
That "BOY" is a Johnny-Come-Lately ... The world started when he arrived.
debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to TanteMerle
I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in the use of analysis commensurate with the increase in easily available technology, but nikhil was getting on like all players had to rely on in the 80s and 90s was memory. Which doesn't make sense to me. For example, bowlers like tertius bosch and other SA pacemen were successful against the WI from the first game the WI played against them. How did that happen, especially for guys who never even played in county cricket(only AD had a contract with the Bears). I'm saying there was enough technology for players to figure out players' weaknesses. There wasn't the official team analyst position but as i said, tapes on players were easily available everywhere except in the WI. Its only in the WI that little home video footage of WI series in the 80s wasn't and is not available. All Pakistan and india games were broadcast live by their respective state broadcasters, which is why you can find footage of test matches in india from 1982 come foward, but you cannot find footage of(or it is extremely difficult to find) footage of say Allan Border's hundred at QPO that inspired a young Brian Lara in 1984, or Patrick Patterson's frightening spell in 1986 vs England(the rest of the story is a highlights reel which the BBC put together at the end of every day's play). There is probably ten minutes of footage left from probably the greatest series ever between West Indies and Pakistan in 1988, ten minutes encapsulating the final day's play, whereas the WI's visit to Pakistan in 1987 was covered live in Pakistan thanks to their state broadcaster. So just because the WI was in the 1800s when the rest of the cricketing world were in or were attempting to be in the 1980s, that doesn't mean players weren't doing their homework and analyzing footage. Hoss Brian Lara, before the 1999 visit of the all conquering Australians watched hours of footage of his dismissals in SA and as a result that is why he was so succesful in that series
I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in the use of analysis commensurate with the increase in easily available technology, but nikhil was getting on like all players had to rely on in the 80s and 90s was memory. Which doesn't make sense to me. For example, bowlers like tertius bosch and other SA pacemen were successful against the WI from the first game the WI played against them. How did that happen, especially for guys who never even played in county cricket(only AD had a contract with the Bears). I'm saying there was enough technology for players to figure out players' weaknesses. There wasn't the official team analyst position but as i said, tapes on players were easily available everywhere except in the WI. Its only in the WI that little home video footage of WI series in the 80s wasn't and is not available. All Pakistan and india games were broadcast live by their respective state broadcasters, which is why you can find footage of test matches in india from 1982 come foward, but you cannot find footage of(or it is extremely difficult to find) footage of say Allan Border's hundred at QPO that inspired a young Brian Lara in 1984, or Patrick Patterson's frightening spell in 1986 vs England(the rest of the story is a highlights reel which the BBC put together at the end of every day's play). There is probably ten minutes of footage left from probably the greatest series ever between West Indies and Pakistan in 1988, ten minutes encapsulating the final day's play, whereas the WI's visit to Pakistan in 1987 was covered live in Pakistan thanks to their state broadcaster. So just because the WI was in the 1800s when the rest of the cricketing world were in or were attempting to be in the 1980s, that doesn't mean players weren't doing their homework and analyzing footage. Hoss Brian Lara, before the 1999 visit of the all conquering Australians watched hours of footage of his dismissals in SA and as a result that is why he was so succesful in that series
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart
Nikhil is a young journalism student who grew up in the home of Tony Cozier at Wanderer.
What did he say to make you believe he does not know the age of technology?
Nikhil is a young journalism student who grew up in the home of Tony Cozier at Wanderer.
What did he say to make you believe he does not know the age of technology?
debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to openning
what this have to do with anything? and also nikhil is 24, cozier died in 2016 so any influence he had would have been minimal at best. he's a very good commie, but like the rest of gen z, history aint his strong point. the world didn't start in the era of the iphone, and there would not be an iphone era without the scientific achievements of the 70s, like the integrated circuit. cricket has an almost identical evolution
Nikhil is a young journalism student who grew up in the home of Tony Cozier at Wanderer.
what this have to do with anything? and also nikhil is 24, cozier died in 2016 so any influence he had would have been minimal at best. he's a very good commie, but like the rest of gen z, history aint his strong point. the world didn't start in the era of the iphone, and there would not be an iphone era without the scientific achievements of the 70s, like the integrated circuit. cricket has an almost identical evolution
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debut: 3/16/21
11,587 runs
In reply to Jumpstart
Holding's 1st Autobiography details his 1st tour'75-'76 spending hrs getting advise from Andy his then room-mate. Interestingly, he says this was just continuation of cricket knowledge discussions started yrs earlier when sitting together as 12th men he for Yard and Andy for Combined Is. Mikey introduced Andy to Andy's 1st wife then a AirJ flight attendant
Holding's 1st Autobiography details his 1st tour'75-'76 spending hrs getting advise from Andy his then room-mate. Interestingly, he says this was just continuation of cricket knowledge discussions started yrs earlier when sitting together as 12th men he for Yard and Andy for Combined Is. Mikey introduced Andy to Andy's 1st wife then a AirJ flight attendant
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debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to Brerzerk
yes. in fire in Babylon, mikey says its andy who gave him his greatest education in fast bowling. Viv calls him the shaolin master. And there's a Trinidadian cricket analyst who used to play for TT in the 70s who says that he knew viv was the greatest batsman in the world even before he had debuted for the WI. He said that in 72 or 73, TT had to play combined islands in Antigua and the TT coach had told the Trinidadian players that whatever they do, do not hook andy roberts. So this guy went to the nets before the game and encountered Andy bowling to Viv, and viv was hooking andy. nd he says that he went back to his coach and told him the best batsman in the world was Antiguan. And this was andy just out of county cricket where he was knocking guys out for fun
yes. in fire in Babylon, mikey says its andy who gave him his greatest education in fast bowling. Viv calls him the shaolin master. And there's a Trinidadian cricket analyst who used to play for TT in the 70s who says that he knew viv was the greatest batsman in the world even before he had debuted for the WI. He said that in 72 or 73, TT had to play combined islands in Antigua and the TT coach had told the Trinidadian players that whatever they do, do not hook andy roberts. So this guy went to the nets before the game and encountered Andy bowling to Viv, and viv was hooking andy. nd he says that he went back to his coach and told him the best batsman in the world was Antiguan. And this was andy just out of county cricket where he was knocking guys out for fun
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