Should it be the template for governing?
I ask because both the left and right , when in power, use state agencies and friendly media to go after their opponents.
We really are not that different after all, so can't we all just get along?
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Chinese system of governance
2024-11-02 04:55:39
2024-11-02 05:23:39
In reply to Master_Blaster
The big difference, the masses here have a little say, albeit cosmetic!
China, not so!
I am scared of dictatorship as practiced by most Arab countries!
North Korea is off the chart too!
2024-11-03 19:56:04
Just look at China and you'll see that it works well for them . They're becoming the most advanced country in the world while forging alliances and making a real difference in the development of poorer countries all while the 'free' US spends trillions perpetuating wars on many fronts with their proxies in the guise of promoting 'democracy'. The US is a more policed state than China with all types of dark agencies readynand willing to create all types of chaos if it supports a narrative or agenda at the time.
Now that's a scary system, veiled fascist . The one that promotes wholesome living and progress albeit with force if necessary is beginning to look more reasonable the more you look at the US vs China and compare what they have achieved over the last 20 years or so .
China is the new world leader like it or not, and if you don't believe me ask any of the multiples of US citizens living and documenting thier experiences in China vs the US regarding crime cost of living and general society etc ..
USA is decaying and while China is blooming .
Some human beings need to be protected from themselves and the Chinese system of governance guarantees that. The more time goes by there will simply be no need for any force because the psyche of the people would be of progress and harmony. Kinda like Japan..
2024-11-03 20:06:29
In reply to bravos
[quoteUSA is decaying ][/quote]
it is astounding that most in America believe that voting for what is essentially one party/ uniparty , is ...democracy , and that they have a say in anything important.
2024-11-03 20:14:15
In reply to bravos
Interesting…which would you live in now?
2024-11-03 20:15:56
In reply to johndom90
What’s your solution?
2024-11-03 20:33:17
In reply to sudden
My guess is Cuba
2024-11-03 20:48:18
2024-11-03 21:30:16
In reply to bravos Oh wow! Now, that's what I call Lennox Lewis' wicked left hook! Respect for spelling it out, padna.
PS. Of course, we all know which party is responsible for its decadence!?
2024-11-03 21:43:37
In reply to sudden
Knowledge, awareness ....is power.
Unfortunately rum and roti politics prevail everywhere and the masses are
embroiled in personality , identity and the most basic of metrics .
Mine is not to present a solution....as if there is such a thing.
2024-11-03 21:47:39
In reply to tc1
Cuba....OK...Picture Cuba without 60 years of back breaking sanctions from the supreme imperial master.
Its OK to cast aspersions on other forms of governance from what I would presume, your comfortable plane of existence within Uncle Sam.
2024-11-03 21:52:31
Give me Trump and my freedom (including freedom to vote for him)
then
Xi and no freedom (including no freedom to vote for him)
what is life like living in China....real life
2024-11-03 22:25:01
In reply to johndom90
Let us say that the sanctions are removed, would you live in Cuba? I acknowledge what Castro did for the republic of Angola and for Southern Africa, but would you swap place and live in Cuba.
2024-11-03 22:57:20
In reply to johndom90
Knowledge is knowledge
Power is power
There are powerful stupid people
And powerless knowledgeable people
In fact, most knowledgeable people crave no power and the opposite is true of the less knowledgeable
On the broader point, there isnt a country on this earth that is crime or corrupt free.
And all people want freedom, of movement or expression
As my 6th form teacher once said, the earth is the state it is because most people are stupid and we seem to possess a worship gene that makes us pay deference to the rich, the famous or those we think are better (for want of a more apt word) than us.
True freedom lies in being able to suppress that gene
2024-11-04 00:26:27
In reply to sudden
a worship gene that makes us pay deference to the rich, the famous or those we think are better (for want of a more apt word) than us.
look at dat.... another thing we agree........
that deference to so called ' superiors , betters " has been with mankind since the dawn of time - skin color, caste, birth, knowledge, religion,wealth.
Holy books may suggest/imply that the meek shall inherit the earth. Paul Getty on the other hand , famously paraphrased "...but the strong shall retain its mineral rights." ( I''m guessing he was a Trumpish sort of Jefe ")
Throughout history , those who have overcome the referred " gene " have found impartial criticism and observation to be a dangerous pastime.
Most times having to adapt to the ruling juntas/ cabal/ monarch to survive....thus perpetuating the type of dialectics that brought down the Soviet Union ....and ..
ultimately western capitalism.
Mankind is theoretically doomed......sad to say...
2024-11-04 01:07:00
Interesting thread.
No reality tv con man would reach a leadership position in China.
2024-11-04 01:11:05
These are interesting commentary.
I just have a few cursory questions
1 – why wasent Apple and Microsoft and Google, to name a few technologies developed in China
2 – why wasent airplane invented by China
3 – why did China not invented Facebook and other social media
4 where and who developed the light bulb
5 indians and Egyptians developed indoor plumbing
I am sure that Govt infrastructure and structure contributes to these developments.
2024-11-04 01:33:41
In reply to birdseye
Will bite.....It is general consensus that the chinese students are among the most gifted / brilliant in any
academic environment encountered .... we have , all of us over time encountered what i just postulated.
Why then do we assume that the talent in china is less inclined academically that they have no original thought in their homeland.
America / China / Africa all have brilliant minds across the fields and it is also a fact that they have all " borrowed " from
others.
German rocket scientists and technology was somehow borrowed by the US.
The Japanese did wonders with the Rotary engine which was revolutionary at the time.
So where did this hypothesis , misinformation maybe , originate and perpetuated .... that the Chinese are incapable of original thought
in their homeland but clearly acknowledged once they leave Chinese airspace?
2024-11-04 01:34:40
In reply to bravos
The US is a more policed state than China with all types of dark agencies readynand willing to create all types of chaos if it supports a narrative or agenda at the time.
You guys can chat some real nonsense sometimes.
Are you aware of China’s social credit system?
Do you know that government workers in China are not allowed to leave the country? It is not that they need permission to…they are not allowed to. I am not surmising. I am not giving you information that I got from outsiders.
And let’s talk about China’s “help” to poor countries. Are you aware of China’s involvement in Sri Lanka and the result? That’s just one example.
2024-11-04 02:04:48
In reply to JOJO
Is that you?
2024-11-04 02:11:31
In reply to sudden
Won't live in the US at all, and China's a bit out of our range geographically logistically and culturally to be considered an alternative home . Would live in the UK over the US or China if i had to choose among them for some reason. But China is different level and should not be trivialized or ridiculed, its a success story .
Check the vids ..
2024-11-04 02:14:03
In reply to doosra
This guy can give you some insight on day to day living...
Check out one of the 'top comments' by the former UK police officer below the vid about safety being freedom and how safe China is..
2024-11-04 02:21:45
In reply to johndom90
Lol yeah..
George Carlin said it best !
2024-11-04 02:21:54
In reply to johndom90
Why then do we assume that the talent in china is less inclined academically that they have no original thought in their homeland.
I suggest no such thing, neither do I believe that - that's misconceived inference you have drawn
How old is China?
China is one of the world's oldest countries, with a recorded history of over 5,000 years:
How old is the US?
The simple answer is that as of the July 4, 2024, the United States is [b]248 years old.
I am sure you you see the picture
2024-11-04 02:33:05
In reply to birdseye
Check this out it, offers some perspective on the genesis of how the USA had an industrial and technical advantage with capacity after WWII.
But that's changed and many are blind to or delusional about it, China is now the world tech leader and the gap is widening weekly in all sectors .
China's turning out geniuses by the millions , many are sleeping on the Chinese .
Just one example, did you know China supplies many western legacy car manufacturers including MB with new battery, display interface and hybrid drivetrain tech ? Also their new electric car batteries are 100% safe even after being punctured etc ..
2024-11-04 02:33:34
In reply to bravos
I don’t have time to watch propaganda videos. I go based on what I know. Wha I have experienced and what I find out first hand.
2024-11-04 02:41:31
In reply to johndom90
significantly more Chinese nationals are studying in the USA than Americans are studying in China; according to recent data, there are nearly 300,000 Chinese students in the US, while only a few hundred Americans are studying in China.
the only point I was trying to make is, for the wants of better phrasing - in the USA if you conceive it you can achieve it, not many other countries allows for that - that is why many a movers and shakers of silicon Valley are immigrants from China, India and other Nation, Elon Musk, who i am not a fan of, left South Africa, went to Canada and end up in Silicon valley, not China
2024-11-04 02:55:11
In reply to bravosnone of what you say would surprise me – as I said before China is 5,000 years old, the USA is 248 years old, China is 4,752 years older --- so they are catching up – do you think the 300,000 Students studying in the US contributes anything when they go back, the other question i could ask - is why are they studying here if they are producing millions of genius every year - but i wont ask that.
2024-11-04 02:58:57
In reply to birdseye
They're sowing their Oriental seeds bro .
2024-11-04 02:59:23
In reply to JOJO
Ok then .
2024-11-04 03:01:08
In reply to birdseye
Don't be facetious. You just ascribed in a less than subtle way Chinese non achievements....and to add salt, suggesting par normal achievements in their 3 to 4 K yr history. A history straddling barbarism, feudalism ,aided by all the then modern technologies. ( Off the cuff) They survived the opium wars, British/ Japanese imperialism unlike for example Haiti.
Let's compare the upstart 250 yr old Yankee with its frantic development, access to the modern tools , post WW2 economic dominance / Bretton Woods...on and on. At whose expense did the 250 yr old benefit for its growth?
Let's compare notes
Nb...off the cuff...subject to correction by the Fact checkers��
2024-11-04 03:12:22
In reply to bravos
They're sowing their Oriental seeds bro
I have always respected you opinions as a poster, so don’t get agitated by my post, its not my intent to be confrontational – just giving an estimation which could be ephemeral – if other facts prevail.
2024-11-04 03:25:57
In reply to johndom90
Not sure about the
Don't be facetious.
They say “nature abhors a vacuum” nature and physics do not allow for unfilled spaces… don’t make excuses --- everybody have one life to live – I have to account for mine – even if I feel I was dealt with unfairly
2024-11-04 06:18:17
In reply to BeatDball
Hypocrites bro..
2024-11-04 06:19:14
In reply to birdseye
It's a cool scene big brother, always
2024-11-04 10:47:09
The truth is that the future will be dominated by China and India.
2024-11-04 12:04:28
In reply to Chrissy
The truth is that the future will be dominated by China and India.
reply
Just like it was a few thousand years ago, all the reason for us to make sure India become a plural- people's centric democracy.
2024-11-04 15:25:56
In reply to Chrissy
The truth is that the future will be dominated by China and India.
a few years back Japan was going to dominate...
2024-11-04 16:05:41
2024-11-04 16:06:53
In reply to birdseye
Japan did dominate bro, from the 70s to the 2000s..lol..
2024-11-04 17:24:26
In reply to bravos
Most things in life are cyclical, sinusoidal, e.g., sound, light, air waves. Matter of fact I suspect most natural ` phenomena in nature are nonlinear; so I don’t expect the USA to be forever on a rising linear trend line…. But you have to admit, USA have been on a roughly 70 years somewhat rising linear tend in many fundamental of life/ living.
Using the Natural science of naturally occurring objects that include the physical sciences (chemistry and physics), earth sciences (earth and environmental science), the life sciences (biological sciences), and others to enhance human existence.....don't agree?
2024-11-04 17:31:56
In reply to birdseye
Should I have said: in the forefront, and more than any other sovereign entity? Naa – got to leave something for rebuttal
2024-11-04 17:48:05
In reply to bravos
bravos most people in China are generationally poor and really find little to no way out.
Every system has to have a cultural synergy with people that exist in it and the Chinese way is good for the Chinese.
How would you feel about having to have your children work at a young age, eat a bowl of rice and drink a coca cola for a meal and be stuck in the existence for generations?
Edit - I should really say many people and not most. Too many.
2024-11-04 17:55:40
In reply to bravos
China lifts 800 million people out of poverty. But are you happy with the line?
By 2020, it is expected that no-one in China would live below US$1.90 per day, the international poverty line for absolute poverty. However, according to the Commission on Global Poverty, if a US$3.20 per day poverty line is adopted (the typical poverty line in lower-middle-income countries), 96 million people – or seven per cent of the population – would still live below this threshold in China. More than that: if the typical poverty line in upper-middle-income countries is adopted, i.e. US$5.50 per day, 373 million people – or 27 per cent of the population – would still live in poverty. Whichever new poverty line is adopted, a significant portion of the population would still be in need.
Old article but shows us what the plan was. Here is an updated article:
The World Bank’s calculations suggest China’s rate of extreme poverty has plummeted from one of the highest in the world – 88% – in 1981, to virtually zero today, with the fastest gains in the 1980s and 1990s during the capitalist reforms of Chairman Deng Xiaoping.
Here is the summary:
Economic growth by itself is not enough
It is important to clarify that our findings refer only to extreme poverty, defined as the inability to purchase essential food, shelter and a few basic necessities.
China’s impressive industrial development has, of course, led to substantial improvements in access to modern appliances, information technology and other goods. But when it comes to access to basic nutrients and housing, a large share of China’s population appears to have suffered during the move to a market economy.
Our findings have important implications. They suggest that although industrial development is an important goal, it can’t be relied upon to cut extreme poverty in and of itself, at least not in the context of capitalist reforms and social policy retrenchment.
Public ownership, price controls, and universal access to social services, of the kind advanced in China before the market reforms, can be at least as effective, especially at low levels of economic development.
2024-11-04 18:05:16
In a few years Russia, China and Iran will join forces (with some other minor nations) to attack Israel.
Israel will be abandoned by USA yet Israel will not be defeated.
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