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dude needs a therapist ASAP

In reply to Jumpstart

Im hoping that mentally he makes the adjustment after the expected consequences here.
Bjorn Borg of tennis fame was a hot head that used to cuss everybody…until one day he went too far…and the ban shook him up so much that he learnt to manage that….Bjorn was known as THE coolest player of his era and his temper tantrums as a youth were forgotten- he performed and found that inner peace. I pray the same for Alzarri.

I was going to write my take, so i will do it here instead of starting a new one. I believe that his frustrations were not unfounded, only misdirected. When i saw they first over he bowled, I was elated because this they quality i expect from him on a consistent basis. Then, the public display of dissent toward the captain. It did not look good, but every situation creates a learning opportunity. There was a fast bowler pleading with his captain to cover the slip area. The wicket was lively and he was steaming up and saw the likelihood of edges through the empty slip area. The captain would not respond, because these days captain's tactics seemed standardized, and once it is T20 or ODI, it does not what the conditions of the wicket is, they spread out the field in defence. Yesterday when Alzarri was bowling, he needed much better attacking field. Captains have to be imaginative and respond to the conditions at the time in terms of field placements, bowlers used etc.. I do not condone his behaviour, he should have used the ball to direct his anger toward the opposition's stumps, and he was doing good at that. The captain managed the situation with mature calmness.

In reply to Besar

Very good analysis. Hope is a great ODI batsman but as a Captain he at times lacks the initiative and the imagination. Aljo's boasts his best bowling figures at Kensington and the Captain should know that and take advantage of the great bowling conditions on offer by setting attacking fields. That 1st PP is crucial for either team to establish the advantage but fortunately we still managed to do so and we can only guess what could have happened had Aljo completed his spell. That delivery to get Cox what a brute! That should have inspired Aljo to continue to re-direct his anger on the opposition but by walking off the field he lost that momentum and fortunately it did not cost his team.

I believe he should be reprimanded , made to apologize to his team and let us move on. If the ICC has to punish him well nothing we can do about that.

I think AlJo leaving the field was a great exercise in self control and consideration of team and career.

He was REALLY ANGRY!

So instead of doing to Hope what Polly did to Tino Best…he utilized his best judgement at the time knowing there would be consequences.

Basically, he opted to take short term pain for the long term gain of the team, WI cricket, and his career

WISE

ammy calls Joseph's behaviour to leave the ground 'unacceptable' during third ODI

In reply to voiceofreason

That is certainly not true. King was in first slip when AlJo was remonstrating. He and Hope looked at each bemused at AlJo. No one seem to understand the reason for his anger

And how many if any balls were edged?

In reply to sudden

Perhaps he was asking for a 2nd slip? As a captain you don't wait for edges to happen then put in slips.

In reply to voiceofreason

It didn’t appear that way. King was already in slip and I doubt a 2nd slip was needed and AlJo seemed to be pointing to the area of long off.

No one at Kensington understood what he was angry about.

Not even the players

In reply to sudden

That boy just pissed that they took the vice captaincy away from him and gave it to King. Did you see how Alzharri slapped away King's hand when King was trying to calm him down?

And how often do we see anyone bowling with two slips in an ODI? That buy head just hard man, and he always seems vex. He could improve his image a lot by smiling on occasion

In reply to Walco

During the warm up he seemed relaxed

In fact they seemed focused during the warm up

Was great to see

Antiguans don't need a reason to get angry.

In reply to sudden

Interesting. That leaves the only possible reason for his outburst of anger. A horning revelation

With the ILP auction imminent,
what do you think that he just did to his chances?

Just an idiot.
plain and simple.

De man hardly ever smiles.
Not like he is a good bowler anyway.

I'm looking forward for them dropping his ass.

In reply to TanteMerle

Correct. He is piss poor and his pace and direction drop off after his first spell

To be honest Shep is sweet too and bowls too short or too full

Forde isn’t bad but he gets ragged in the latter stages to the extent that his elbow relaxes too much

Altho Rutherford got licks he could be a useful bowler

Chase is a good fielder and useful spinner

The players all looked fit and focused as a group

Real nice vibes

In reply to TanteMerle

So you wishing all that because of yesterday's incident. Yeah anyway, to me he should get reprimanded and either publicly apologise because his behaviour was in WI team uniform on the international stage then you move on.
Wishing for him to lose money because of this but you should know your angst with him.
The walking off the field was totally uncalled for even if to cool off he should of signaled that he was going to do so cause no one knew this they though he was just going back down to the boundary
I see Mark Butcher kept going at it, I wonder if it was an English player he would keep harping on it all game. Anyway the English lose and WI win and if WI keep this kind of intensity up we should be able to win the T20's as well. It's good to see our players fight, next time let it spill over more to the opponents than the teammates.

In reply to Jumpstart

I saw the video. Agreed with leader Sammy, "not acceptable." And very disappointing for a senior attack leader, the pushing away the hands of his team mate who came just to tend to him is akin to minor assault. And then walking off is akin to job abandonment.

At minimum, a small monetary fine and a 3 match suspension is necessary.

In reply to sudden

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In reply to positiveg

Immediately after the CPL incident with he & Hetmyer, they should have counseled him.

In reply to voiceofreason

Well our pacers are relatively new. Shamar debuted last year, seales the year before. They haven’t been playing since 2016 like alzarri

In reply to Besar

even though the captain has the right to set the field how he wants, I would go with the field that the fella with the ball in hand wants, especially when he is experience

In reply to bird

That is not the point and not the issue:

See my comments above.

In reply to sudden

In reply to bird

Did you watch the game yesterday? I ask because I'm wondering if you saw something that made you to think two slips were advisable or necessary.

In reply to Jumpstart

Well name me a West Indian ODI pacer in the last 10 years with a better record.

In reply to voiceofreason

That’s 2014 homes. No West Indian pacer in that time has been allowed to have an 8 year long career save holder and he isn’t a pacer

Aljo was touching 148kmph...peak testosterone...he needs to blow it off...

In reply to powen001

In reply to TanteMerle

As many have already expressed, we strongly condemn Aljo's actions, and he should be held accountable for them.

While this behavior is unacceptable, unfortunately, it does happen in sports from time to time. Let us all hope for Aljo's personal growth and for the good of West Indies cricket, he emerges stronger and better from this experience

I am not sure of the personal nature of your criticisms towards Aljo, as they seem somewhat subjective and immature. While Aljo may not have fully met expectations, can you identify a faster bowler from the West Indies who is better than him?

Too bad for AlJo...he better fix his attitude. Maybe, Sir Viv should surprise him with a likkle phone call.

As a Fmr. cappo for many many cricket matches, I had no Issues when my big fast bowler got angry (in fact I might be the one deliberately provoking); no issues when he vex and won’t celebrate with the pack; I ain’t even sure I would have an issue if he went off the field to cool off before he comes back on after an over or two even if we play with 10… IF all of THAT passion means that stumps or person or both will be in peril with the ball in hand.

MY problem with this Alzari guy, is that invariably his anger/passion/petulance NEVER leads to an uptick for his or the team performance. If he was my team mate as the leading bowler in this unit I would feel let down by the many times when I look for this leader of the pack and he is never to be found. It’s a brave cappo to give him an attacking field in any form of cricket even on a ground like Kensington where he has a decent record.

The next time he feels let down by someone he should look in the mirror and ask himself how many times he has let down his own team mates. I would hazard a guess that he is incapable of such introspection. I don’t want to hear the choir go on about drop catches blah blah, blah. If you play cricket long enough this stuff just happens to some players. Some batsmen always seem to get 4 chances to score a hundred. They would tell you only a good player would touch that jaffer but yet your backside back in the pavilion good player and all.

Fellas like Shamar and Seales have shown more in their very limited careers than this imposter who we have been waiting for 8 years to come to the party as he was the outstanding fast bowler of the 2016 age group in world cricket.

Not everything is at the Cricket Board’s feet to lay blame. Some of our issues are with some of these players in terms of they are Ill-discipline, Have poor work ethic, and in some cases, maybe some are just cognitively deficient.

Better this happen to understand that being a leader of a group of men and especially this group of West Indies players is a very very difficult thing to do. Sometimes you have to play with 10 men to make a point. Talent without purpose is nothing.

In reply to mkcharles

I am with Alzahrri. What he did was unacceptable but I understand. I am taking bowlers catches but my catches always seem to get dropped. Constant extra runs off my bowling miss fielding, overthrows etc. I want my field set a particular way, I can't get it even when I am vice captain. Too much disrespect so I can understand. Built up anger. He exploded. Expected.

In reply to voiceofreason

Let’s not make excuses for Aljo’s behavior.
We should expect better from him
He is in leadership position and should display the characteristics this responsibility requires.

In reply to Poggy

Where did I make excuses? He did wrong and now has to pay for it let us move on. What you folks fail to give him credit for is his loyalty to WI cricket where he is an all format player when many have resorted to pick/choose what and when they play. This isolated incident should not take away from his body of work.

In reply to mkcharles

A two match suspension is fair. He’ll get time to reflect and in no time will be back. Anything longer would have disproportional, and letting him get away Scot free would have been unacceptably condoning this tilted of behaviour.

He made a mistake, his first, got a slap in the wrist, will be back, let’s move on

In reply to voiceofreason

My man, that’s exactly the point. I understand fully that persons like you will deflect about dropped catches and his Kensington record.

The bigger fact is that he is an underperformer, he is not the only one, but he is a the leader of this bowling team and a leader in the team.

I would be let down if this fool was my team mate, let alone one of my leaders. Nothing he does seems anything other than self serving. His general demeanor, attitude, performance, relatability, petulance. Oh, my bad, he is the best that we have and what we see is his passion. Give me a freaking break fella.

In reply to powen001

Or is that McEnroe

These holy than thou crusaders kiss my black ass. This from AlJo

In reply to natty_forever

There endeth the lesson. The only feasible and plausible response from the black man.

It’s interesting bordering on funny how keen so many are on reflection

In reply to imusic

I reflected on AlJo’s general behavior, including his most recent display of petulance, and concluded that he is a seriously misguided chap.

Is that what you are referring to?

My further reflection causes me to conclude that he is lucky to be born in a time such as now

In reply to mkcharles

Yes and the only one who has made himself available in all formats for WI cricket. Yeah send the clown home! No wonder so many choose to freelance. He is a top 20 bowler in T20I cricket, has a respectable sub 29 average in ODIS, and admittedly he has failed in Test cricket but I still hold out hope. The man lost it for a minute so we should punish him for life? Man Steve Smith and David Warner did much worse but did OZ discard or ostracise them permanently?

In reply to mkcharles


Would you consider these figures in ODI to be underperforming?


Format Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

ODIs 73 72 3675 3359 119 5/56 28.22 5.48 30.8 4 1

I honestly though his econmic rate was worst than that.

While it's clear that many believe Aljo could perform better, it's important to consider the impact of dropped catches and misfields. Had even half of those catches been taken, his statistics would likely be much more better.
While he has made mistakes, it's important not to be overly critical of him.

In reply to Jammal22

Format Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

ODIs 73 72 3675 3359 119 5/56 28.22 5.48 30.8 4 1

Well we don't often agree but we on the same page. Aljo's white ball performances have been good but people tend to confuse this with his Test cricket returns which have not been as good partially due to inconsistent bowling and dropped chances.


Let us look at other pace bowlers:

Pat Cummins:

Format Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10w
ODIs 90 90 4683 4116 143 5/70 5/70 28.78 5.27 32.7 6 1

Josh Hazlewood:
Format Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10w
ODIs 91 90 4737 3763 138 6/52 6/52 27.26 4.76 34.3 1 3

Mitchell Starc:

ODIs 127 127 6512 5711 244 6/28 6/28 23.40 5.26 26.6 12 9 0

One captain, uno leader on the field period. The captain only facilitates you he doesn't have to implement your ideas or options.

In reply to mkcharles

No. Not you mkcharles. Some others

In reply to Wally-1

Here is the big picture I hope the west indies and "my cricket field Sammy" have the good sense to have him bowling at Hope in the nets it would be a win win for all concerned.

In reply to ponderiver

In reply to imusic

Quite the opposite. Hope is not that good against pace and the Antiguan needs anger issues to bowl fast it will help them both to maintain the levels required to be successful its a win win

In reply to Narper

In reply to powen001

Borg was a model citizen, it was Jimmy Connors and McEnroe.