OUT???

OR NOT OUT???

In reply to imusic

Out

Ball hitting a fielder, umpire or non-striker, balls remains in play.

Law 33.2.2.3

In reply to TanteMerle

I don’t know the law but it seem out to me.

In reply to imusic
It is a tough rule. Very bad luck
I prefer that a Dead Ball should be the best call. Had the ball not been caught, could the batters take a run ?
When the ball lodges in a batter's clothes(different case) it is a dead ball call.

In soccer ,ball is in play when Ref gets hit inadvertently or no.

In reply to imusic

The ball has to hit the ground for the batsman to be not out.

In reply to hubert

Not anymore. Refs will now reset, giving the ball back to who had it.

In reply to hubert



Read my post again.

Ball is still in play under any of the circumstances that I mentioned.

There is an unwritten rule, so-called 'Gentleman's agreement'.
That if a ball deflects off a non-strike, the batsmen do not run.
It is not law, and players do it if they feel like.
Remember the 2019 ODI World Cup final,
when a ball deflected off Ben Stokes,
the result was 4 overthrows,
which eventually cost Kiwis de game.

There are laws and then there are emotions.

In reply to openning


Fielders can out?

In reply to Halliwell

If Viv was cappo.

In reply to TanteMerle

I don't have to read again. But lets say the ball had carried to boundary after cannoning off the bat,should it
be ruled a four ?. It should not.
The action in this incident was unintentional..the non striker was not seeking to get any advantage .
The gentleman act as we know and what you just stated is not to run even when the ball came off the batter.
We who have played the game from boyhood days never ran on such occasions.
The law should be reviewed and dead ball called . As you say, there are laws and and there are emotions.
The latter should not lead to dismissal.
Laws can also be an ass.
BTW how was the batter given out,mode of dismissal ? caught, obstruction ?

In reply to natty_forever

Have seen some refs do, and some don't. I guess it depends on the advantage gained by either side.
A resulting goal will certainly be denied while an ordinary pass will not necessitate a stop in play.

In reply to Halliwell

Edit.

It will take a lifetime for posters to answer a simple question.
The video is there for all to see,
Is the batsman Out or Not out?
My answer is OUT.

In reply to openning

OUT under the law. But I would have a look at the law and change it...Dead Ball would be my call.
Were I the captain, with this incident I would withdraw any appeal to the umpires and they
could do what they have to do.
A batter should not be dismissed by his partner in such fashion when it is inadvertent and non striker
was not seeking to gain an advantage by attempting a run.
Sometimes the laws can be an ass in cricket.
I would cry if given out for this...perhaps the battter did in the dressing room. Hope he was not on 99 .

In reply to hubert

Yep, tough one, but that's out.
In soccer, if the ball hits the ref play stops.
Team with possession resumes play where the ref was struck.

In reply to hubert

If it were obstruction I would agree.
Had that ball been along the ground and hit the boundary rope it would have been 4-runs, these incidents happen..
Laws should not be changed because of freak incidents.

In reply to openning

Just make a freak incident not out

In reply to granite

Would it be a freak incident if the ball had hit the bowler's foot as he ran through?

In reply to hubert



while you are looking at changing the laws in favor of the gentlemen agreement, how about calling the ball dead after a fieldsman throw in and hit the wicket? Under the current law, a run or more can be taken if available.

In reply to imusic

Out!

In reply to openning

That's it...freak accidents should be accounted for by laws. Check baseball.

In reply to googley

That is legit..the fielder is attempting to effect an out..normal thing and run overthrows too., extra runs.

In reply to openning

No. that ain't freak. ball deflection will fully or accidentally with batter(backing up) and outside crease is a normal
dismissal..
What we are looking at here is a non striker's bat ,unintentionally or accident or unfortunately coming in contact with a ball
hit by his team mate ,and caught as catch. So you are out by your team mate . The cure ,like some other cases is for Fair play
and a dead ball call. And if the ball is along the ground the ball should be dead also and no runs accrue. The non striker is not
seeking an advantage of taking a run.
There could be a reason for obstruction against non striker if he deliberately prevented a fielder from effecting a stop
in attempted run out, but this did not happen. Clearly both batters were not taking a run.

Now a freak dismissal can be legal of course. In the case of McMorris backing up at the Mecca from a drive by Hunte off Trueman
in 1960 and was run out without even facing a ball. he was dropped for the next Test at QPO. No question he was out, but not facing a ball
was the 'freak' as it was the first time in the recorded history of the game that a batsman was out in such manner without facing a ball.
Freak thing happen in other instances, like a close LBW shout after the batsman is beaten all ends up but gets a 4 LByes if it hits the boundary.
Leg byes should be eliminated from cricket. A Bowler should not be penalized for outstanding delivery while the batter is rewarded for his failure.
That to me is a 'freak' rule.

In reply to Gun_Play

This is no doubt a relatively new rule. And perhaps a good one too as no one gets an advantage..when I played back in the
time of Methuselah , play continued as one of the tenets of Football/soccer is (was) to have minimal stoppage in play,
and the real purpose of the game was to put the ball in the opposing team's goal in the quickest time possible.

That's how we were taught then. But times change and embracing change for the better is Best.

Stopping play and resuming is akin to 'Dead Ball' in cricket, a call I advocate in the cricket incident under discussion.

Unlikely any captain in international cricket these days calling back a player for that type of dismissal.

You can thank the Aussies for that

In reply to imusic

Most captains would if they playing against WI..they know taking 11 wickets per innings is an easy task