I reallly feel it for Louis

That is a HARD LESSON to learn

He really BATTLED throughout his innings. To come so close and yet so far…::.:.::

He will be better for it in the long run. But for right now, it will hurt like a MOFO!

Come on Atha……learn from that….take yuh time…..and get dem 3 figures

In reply to imusic


Oh geezzzzzzzzzzzzz! Wtf?

In reply to imusic



true...IF he learns from it.

that ls left to be seen.

and yes I hope Athanze goes on to get his...so it BURNS him all the more.

Go for glory shot. Head in the air.

In reply to WIForever

Pressure does buss pipe.

Just shows he’s human

In reply to imusic

them feel it.

In reply to imusic

and Athanze fails now too

In reply to powen001

Oh Boy!

In reply to powen001

That there says a lot about the discipline of these batsmen.
That right there would not happen to two Indian or Australian batsmen in similar circumstances.

In reply to embsallie

My advice to the WICB or whomever is running the cricket is to keep these young and
inexperienced batters such as Louis,Atha et al who are groomed for Test cricket....
is to KEEP them away from White Ball versions for now and allow them to develop
as Red Ball cricketers by playing far more 4-day cricket .
Their concentration and shot selection need to be addressed in the proper FC structure.

In reply to embsallie


Which technically accurate, also quite unfair.

The cricketing environments in which Indian and Aussie cricketers are developed are night and day compared to our guys.

In reply to hubert


How has that worked out for Jermaine Blackwood? Bonner? Even Kraigg Brathwaite? Just to name 3

They all pretty much exclusively play red ball cricket. Are they any better as a result?

We need to stop demonizing white ball cricket as the root of all West Indian cricketing evil. It’s simply not true.

Players need to play as much cricket as possible. PERIOD.

How much red ball cricket do our players play or have access to compared to how much white ball cricket is played in the region?

Hodge exclusively plays red ball cricket. When last has he played a red ball match?

During the lunch time break, Nikhil interviewed Hodge. Hodge himself said he has spent way more time visualizing in his room than he has spent actually playing. Not because he doesn’t want to. Because there isn’t the opportunity to play. What red ball competition is he going to play in? Plus the weather is a factor at this time of year. Thank GOD for the Super 50 or he would have played even less.

And the thing is…..our FC “structure” is poor. That’s just a fact as well as an understatement.

You want them to play more “poor” cricket? THAT’s going to help them improve?

Come on man……

In reply to voiceofreason

Lol

In reply to imusic

We know why you adores white ball cricket.

In reply to imusic

They need to play as much GOOD cricket as possible to become complete in thinking,shot making,concentration as well
as batting skills inclusive of repertoire .
There is a difference between hitting and batting. That is what younger players need to be exposed .
Anyone who can hot a ball will be able to have success at the shorter versions of the game.
But one who learns to bat and bat for long periods will have far better chances of being a success in
any format.
It is not the fault of the players if they do not get opportunity for development through FC and A team cricket.
Those who are in charge are the culprits and that is why the overhaul product in batsmanship and batting
is at the lowest point in WI cricket.

Don't blame the players when they look out of sorts in Test cricket especially when they engage with top tier teams.
The alternative of course is to ditch red ball cricket and go full steam ahead with the White ball versions from 10/10 to 50/50.
Some folks will like that too. And that would not be such a bad thing either.
Test cricket is a legacy of the Region. But If it is not worth investment etc then ....

Louis will get his hundreds. He has the appetite for time at the crease and repeated big scores - a cursory glance at his last red ball tournament statistics proves as much.

Athanaze somehow got to the 90s again, despite playing some lavish and at times ill advised strokes. He too will go forward and it is only a matter of time for him.

It would have been great to see both young batsmen reach three figures together but alas, it was not to be today. Two players to keep going forward though, no doubt about that.

In reply to hubert

I’m not sure what you define as batsmanship.

You use the term hitting vs batting

Does Shai Hope hit and not bat?
Does Brandon King hit and not bat?
Hetmeyer or Pooran? They’re simply hitters and not batsmen?

Or……another perspective.

Do you consider Kraigg Brathwaite to be a batsman? A good batsman?

He’s been playing almost exclusive red ball cricket for over a decade. What success has he had in other forms of the game? Is he likely to be successful in those other forms given how much FC cricket he’s played?

Let’s move away from kraigg Brathwaite. How about Tage? Raymon Reifer? Brooks? Blackwood? Bonner etc?

I’m not saying there isn’t a place for FC cricket. I am saying it’s not the panacea you and others advocate it to be for WI batting woes.

Our batting woes IMO are largely because our best batsmen up until now, haven’t been eligible to play Test cricket because they don’t play regional FC cricket.

But no one can convince me that any…..and I mean not a single one of the test team….either current or recent past…..are better BATSMEN than any of Pooran, Hope, King, or Hetmeyer.

And when your best batsmen don’t play, you’re stuck with playing NOT YOUR BEST…..against the opposition’s best.

I’ll end with this. Name one…..just one batsman on the test team from now to last year or even the year before…..that is better than ANY of Shai Hope, Nicholas Pooran, Brandon King, or Shimron Hetmeyer.

Thanks

In reply to imusic

You are confused. Do you check what you are writing ? Lets agree,,,none currently playing are in the VIV, Lara class. OK.
But what makes you think that the King,Hetty,even Pooran can succeed against top Test bowlers..Even Hope has
fallen away from a promising Test career.
When ever those guys come up against really top line bowlers in white ball cricket , they flounder. Their technique is
exposed easily. If not why have they not led WI to qualification in some WC events ?
So I am not comparing these guys against one another.
What I am saying is that the talent need to developed to play top level cricket and it won't come by playing
lick it cricket. And if you don't know what batsmanship is, then don't engage me with ignorance re ,batting and hitting.
See Lara.
What makes you thin k that Hety,King,Hope and Pooran will be successes now in Test cricket. On paper they should,
but unless they play Test cricket ,you or no one can tell who is better unless you are talking 'book' cricket..
Let them come ,play and dominate and show the Region how it's done.
I Done

In reply to hubert

Sure. We’ll end there

In reply to hubert

Bangladesh attack is FC president’s xi at best. I don’t see Pooran and co even without much exposure to red bal cricket struggling against them

In reply to hubert

By your “reasoning”……no way to know if Viv and Lara would be successful playing T20 cricket.

We know Lara wasn’t for the short while he played.

But we both know different. They didn’t have to play to know they would be successful. Same with those I mentioned in test cricket.

GOD gave you the gift of eyesight. Use it.

If you TRULY believe in your heart that any other the current WI test batsmen would outperform any of those 4 I named in any format……there’s nothing further to discuss.

product and result of a poor FC system that is too weak and too easy. Very few could biff a ball ike Gaye but a young Gayle getting to the 90's would never get out like that. He'd graft his way to a ton then explode again. Dem boys can get away with the heave-oh glory shot to a ton in WI FC hope they learn from this. Gayle, Sarwan the two last good to very good WI test batsmen. IRONICALLY Samuels who never played FC would be the average one who is closest to those too...regardless of Kraigg's stats.

But England plays test cricket at a faster pace, and that is attributable 100% to short form cricket!

In reply to Halliwell

Our guys still do not understand how to construct an innings. Sure, Shiv, Sars, Gayle even Marlon would never pass up a 4 or six at ten nor in the 90's. But, none of those 4 would get to 90 on the 1st day of a test and go "huntung" they'd be extra careful to play balls on merit