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Polls were wrong. Harris never led Trump
Casper
2024-11-28 14:49:58
But she came close in 107 days to beating him.
A senior adviser to Vice President Kamala Harris' presidential campaign said their own internal polling never showed her leading President-elect Donald Trump, and they were "surprised" when public polls put her ahead.
"We were behind, I mean, I think it surprised people because there were these public polls that came out in late September, early October, showing us with leads that we never saw," senior campaign adviser David Plouffe said on the politics podcast "Pod Save America" that aired Tuesday.
Harris lost decisively to Trump, 78, earlier this month after he swept all seven battleground states, winning the Electoral College and the popular vote, the first time a Republican has done so since former President George W. Bush won in 2004.
Casper
2024-11-28 14:56:45
7 Charts and maps where Harris lost to Trump
About 4.2 million fewer Americans voted for president in the 2024 US election than did so in 2020
Vice President Kamala Harris received about 6.8 million fewer votes than Joe Biden in 2020, while President-elect Donald Trump gained around 2.8 million compared with 2020.
Stupid Americans stayed home and did not vote. They deserve whatever they get from Trump
nickoutr
2024-11-29 10:25:56
The campaign was a scam. Polls were inflated to attract big money donors and the funds were laundered.
VIX
2024-11-29 12:09:52
In reply to Casper
Yet when I suggested suggested shortly before the election:
Doesn't matter, he's favourite to win.
YOU replied with
Where are you getting these “alternative facts” from?
With another ignoramus on the thread bloviating with his typical uninformed idiocy
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug!!!
Courtesy
2024-11-29 12:17:00
Courtesy
2024-11-29 12:21:36
In reply to Casper
Yes most of the usually reliable polls in the Presidential election like some did in the Mid-term elections got it wrong.
A degenerate poster is parading as if he did his own polling and should receive credit for his polling.
Casper
2024-11-29 13:58:13
We just can't believe the polls anymore. How can one trust these polls, especially when many of the racist Deplorables who want America returned to to the 1860s don't tell the pollters that they really going to vote for Trump.
Also remember in the first Trump term there was an expected "Red Wave" and Dems recaptured the House. In the era of Trump, especially, I wouldn't trust any polls.
dayne
2024-11-29 15:11:08
In reply to Casper
Very true, there are many shy Trump voter out there, they were ashamed to say to pollsters that were going to vote for Trump.
birdseye
2024-11-29 17:38:15
In reply to Casper
Were the polls wrong, or they knowingly published false information? Which if the latter is the case, for what reason?
Courtesy
2024-11-29 18:10:01
In reply to birdseye
Ann Zelzer had too much to lose by deliberately publishing wrong info in the Iowa poll.
But yes there are lots of paid pollsters on both sides who give you what they believe you want to see. This why increasingly, political parties do their inhouse polling.
KTom
2024-11-29 18:38:02
Why would the Democrats' internal polling be superior to the professional pollsters? How would they be better at reaching likely Republican voters? One answer could be that their internal polling was different in nature to the public polling. It may have been a better indicator of the enthusiasm of known/likely Democrat voters. If they sensed a lukewarm response to Harris and the campaign amongst their supporters, they could translate that to a weaker turnout than expected, sufficient to lose the marginal battleground states.
I thought Trump was likely to win ever since the polls after the assassination attempt put Trump ahead of Biden in all the battleground states.
camos
2024-11-29 19:11:13
the election was too close to call up to the end, victory was always going to be within the margin of error.
birdseye
2024-11-29 19:49:17
In reply to camos
This may sound strange coming from me, and maybe I am totally wrong, but I always thought Harris had too many non-white neophytes in key campaign positions. David Axelrod and David Plouffe should have been in the mix from the beginning; Jim Messina I think was added late, i guess too late.
Drapsey
2024-11-29 20:02:05
In reply to birdseye
This may sound strange coming from me, and maybe I am totally wrong, but I always thought Harris had too many non-white neophytes in key campaign positions. David Axelrod and David Plouffe should have been in the mix from the beginning; Jim Messina I think was added late, i guess too late.
The list of 'celebrities' accompaniment as well as 'performers' on the campaign circuit also gave pause.
Yes, I had my doubts but went out and voted for her (early) anyway.
camos
2024-11-29 21:16:55
In reply to birdseye
To be honest I never saw the loss coming, I got the feeling that most people were genuinely glad to be rescued from a Trump presidency .
Master_Blaster
2024-11-29 21:27:09
People who were objective and not emotional saw a clean sweep but the Dems supporters woul have none of it. .
-The betting market had Trump winning
-The Trump trades had Trump winning
-The polls on X had Trump winning
Numbers never lie.
VIX
2024-11-29 22:39:35
In reply to Master_Blaster
That's right!
The trajectory was clear.
People here refused to acknowledge the warnings.
Brerzerk
2024-11-29 23:10:19
If The polls said Harris was leading by 3 pts within the margin of error and she lost narrowly were they wrong? What Trump’s campaign (helped by the Gaza destruction of course) was able to do successfully is suppress reliable democratic turnout. Notice in Jewish areas they advertised Kamala as an Israel/Jew hater ( no matter she married one)! Then in Muslim/Arab areas she was advertised as supporting Israel and hating Muslims.
InHindsight
2024-11-29 23:19:51
In reply to dayne
Very true, there are many shy Trump voter out there, they were ashamed to say to pollsters that were going to vote for Trump.
Talking about deplorable.
Which is it, 'shy' or 'ashamed'? You're speaking from two corners of your mouth
You guys are incorrigible - lost cases
camos
2024-11-30 01:15:18
In reply to Master_Blaster
If the results were that obvious no bookie would take bets!
buds
2024-11-30 14:47:22
In reply to nickoutr
HAmerica is the most corrupt government in the world.
