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powen001 12/18/24, 8:55:07 PM
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In reply to imusic

but how you jump to that being the bad mindedness?

That is actually one of the FEW things that is worthy of debate-

Why is it our players Level of application not increase with not so friendly batting pitches?

Surprise Surprise...it aint TEST cricket where you battle it out-
It's Lickit and the pressure of every dot ball is real!


So how to get our batsmen to at least stick around and build partnerships with "place it and tek a run" approach is fair game for any coach.

Let the coach defend himself when it comes to that sort of common sense thing...aint OUR problem been always the "taking the singles and building the innings" regardless of format?

So...Music- that is not the bad mindedness to which I referred.

not by a long shot...but your slip showed instantly in your assumption.
sgtdjones 12/18/24, 9:14:49 PM
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In reply to powen001

Sammy's theory is as follows...

In power play, voop or cow corner...

If opponents have spin or bowlers swinging the balls, our rass is toast.

Guess what Coach Simmo is aware of such in T 20.

While Sammy is looking for TV coverage on the boundary when a bowler gets a wicket or writing notes, such hasn't shown improvements.

The players are still looking lost in the middle.

He is sitting when his selections are like bowling pins, clueless as they chase meagre amounts of runs to win.

We couldn't hit the ball to take singles, nor could we build any innings in the last two games...to win.

CWI picked someone for a coach who thinks he is in marketing clapping and appearing on the boundry. evil
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conman 12/18/24, 9:16:15 PM
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In reply to imusic

Floyd Reifer……batting coach…..has a track record of when the pitch is good for batting, the batters perform


It is such a weird statement to make. Why not just say the batters have an issue when the track isn't batting friendly?

Floyds name doesn't come up when talking about poorans golden form from a few months ago, or hopes power hitting change, so why bring it up for this issue?
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tc1 12/18/24, 10:18:25 PM
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In reply to conman

lollol
imusic 12/18/24, 10:23:34 PM
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In reply to powen001

Surprise Surprise...it aint TEST cricket where you battle it out-

My bad

Our test batters do such an outstanding job of doing just that
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powen001 12/18/24, 10:23:51 PM
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In reply to sgtdjones

LOL.

so.. the objectivity is seen

the Badmindedness in the Marketing an Clapping comment.

what clapping or marketing you see last night or in the first game?

De same Simmo was getting cuss so it aint bout that...and I aint bout de ice cream eating folly either...bare picong gine on when too many coaches over the decades have failed to address what ails us.


re Nicky- I dint even think he was sick...so thanks for being transparent above on that-

bluntly put...that int the Nicky we know out there at the moment...and that is my cause for concern- He is a bonafide match winner.

I don't want him pulling a Russel and only doing it for franchises
Castled 12/18/24, 11:43:27 PM
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In reply to conman

lol
sgtdjones 12/19/24, 2:11:14 AM
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In reply to powen001

Its obvious you don't see the problem with a head coach and staff as long as the players list.

You keep looking at them through rose-coloured glasses; I do not.

Sammy's greatest asset is not as a certified coach, nor is he leading a talented bunch that didn't need him to win two world cups.
Various players took it upon themselves to win those cups with talent and skills that Sammy didn't have.
Now what was his greatest asset—winning tosses or clapping? Boycotts mother-in-law could have achieved such.

He couldn't clap in these two games as he was outcoached and outplayed by players 22 to 24 years old.
This is where coaching skills are shown—not running to the boundary after Motie got a wicket, playing up to the television.
When his players were being sent back to the pavilion looking like dunces, his hands were on his head, sitting behind a table.
We saw the same scene in the game before; what did he do to correct such a debacle?
Its obvious; was it beyond his capabilities as a non-certified coach? Indeed, the final outcomes do tell a story.

Did such not appear to you? How come he was not on the boundary offering advice as he did earlier?
These players seem to be unmotivated, even Pooran; they seem to want to be somewhere else.
imusic 12/19/24, 2:34:20 AM
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In reply to sgtdjones

To me what Sammy does really well is implement and encourage esprit de corps with his teams.

He has a feel good factor especially when talking about WI cricket and fans. He speaks passionately about it.

That’s pretty much it as far as I can see.

The media……and administration especially social media are complicit with promoting him as some saviour of West Indies cricket.

Social media quick to highlight him in every victory.

They silent and go dark whenever there is a loss. Not a peep.

One setta talk before and during T20 World Cup in the Caribbean earlier this year.

Crickets from Sammy and CWI social media after getting knocked out.

And sgtjones and others are on point when they comment that he plays up to
The camera in facourable circumstances and absent in adverse situations.

Darren Sammy is a very good hype man. Perhaps even a good motivator. I haven’t seen anything to date that demonstrates him to be a coach far less a good one.
natty_forever 12/19/24, 8:18:22 PM
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In reply to dayne

The only reason you have an issue is because of the results. Sammy is not the man.
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Baje 12/19/24, 8:36:46 PM
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In reply to dayne

Why should Sammy not have all the say? Give him a free rein because his neck and career is on the line. He should be given the team that he wants
Halliwell 12/19/24, 9:32:13 PM
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In reply to Baje

Why should Sammy not have all the say? Give him a free rein because his neck and career is on the line. He should be given the team that he wants


Said every CEO ever, when the auditors came in

Tell me you Joking
imusic 12/19/24, 9:52:31 PM
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In reply to Halliwell

I’ve long advocated that the person responsible for results and performance should select the team
ponderiver 12/20/24, 4:39:03 AM
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In reply to sgtdjones

A fraud grifter and a scammer

I called it early
Narper 12/20/24, 5:04:47 AM
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In reply to Baje

Give him a free rein because his neck and career is on the line


Never as a player....and NEVER as head coach
natty_forever 12/20/24, 5:05:06 AM
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In reply to Baje

You sure he is the one to give it to???
Narper 12/20/24, 5:12:11 AM
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In reply to powen001

bluntly put...that int the Nicky we know out there at the moment...and that is my cause for concern- He is a bonafide match winner.


Mahedi Hasan | Player of the Series:
World Cup time we had lots of options, that's why I did not play. Good experience in the Global T20 and that helped here. I enjoyed bowling on this type of wickets, we planned before the series to bowl wicket to wicket. I know Pooran, played with him in BPL and other leagues, he is a tough batter for a right-hand offspinner but we had plans against him. We did not have a good ODI series but for the T20Is the boys were hungry and hopefully we will do well in the Champions Trophy.
natty_forever 12/20/24, 12:28:06 PM
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In reply to Narper

On that note, isn't the Champions Trophy, F50? If so, I now see, Sammy has no concern for T20I's at this time. LOL His team is oiled and tuned for F50.
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natty_forever 12/20/24, 12:30:43 PM
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Observation: F50 must be the base for our cricket. From the F50 squad, must come your Test and T20I players.
sgtdjones 12/20/24, 2:05:22 PM
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In reply to powen001

So much conjecture, bad mindedness and ample amounts of conspiracy on this thread that it doh make sense to say naffin now.


If such exists, simply refute them?
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